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Post by Walt Frazier on Nov 17, 2019 21:53:28 GMT
After a very long decision-making process, including taking the decision to a committee process, Jusuf has decided to leave the Knicks and join the ... Atlanta Hawks Year 1: $19,441,605
Year 2: $18,085,214
Year 3: $16,823,455
Year 4: $15,649,726
Total: $70,000,000 Throughout this process, the Hawks really made Jusuf feel both wanted and valued. Their teams looks good now with a solid future as well, and they possess a very clear opening for Jusuf at Center. There was really only one other team that was in strong consideration for Jusuf, and that was the Knicks. Unfortunately for them, Jusuf has shown clearly that he does not want to play with another true center ahead of him. Not helping matters for the Knicks was the fact that they have shopped Jusuf repeatedly, and openly, throughout Billy King's tenure as GM of the team. He doesn't feel valued in New York, and he doesn't want to return to a team with another true Center (Whiteside) on the team of similar value / rating. The only thing that really made us think towards the end was that Billy offered a 5th year, basically another $19,000,000. In the end, he only offered after we told him it was a big mark against him that he had NOT offered it as the Bird Rights team. Maybe it was simple forgetfulness or unawareness of the rules as the Bird Rights-holding team, but it fell a bit flat in the end. Truly, the other factors outweighed that 5th year. Everyone on the committee agreed every step of the way. The 5th year gave all of us a little pause, but we all agreed that everything else, taken in the whole, was more important for Jusuf's decision. 1) Clearly a more open Center position. 2) Better team overall (maybe that's subjective but everyone on the committee felt the same way). 3) More Effort / valuing Jusuf more highly. All go to the Hawks. Which is exactly where Jusuf is going. Congrats, Jay Z |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 17, 2019 22:01:50 GMT
I'm going to be honest, I hate the amount of declining contracts being signed. If you take away the small contracts and max offers half of them are declining. This contracts barely exist in the NBA
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 17, 2019 22:50:01 GMT
I'm going to be honest, I hate the amount of declining contracts being signed. If you take away the small contracts and max offers half of them are declining. This contracts barely exist in the NBA Been saying that for years. |
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Post by Jay Z on Nov 17, 2019 23:55:15 GMT
We're not going to be healthy for a while, but the team is really taking shape. Welcome aboard Nurk, get well soon.
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Post by Billy King on Nov 19, 2019 16:36:03 GMT
I'm going to be honest, I hate the amount of declining contracts being signed. If you take away the small contracts and max offers half of them are declining. This contracts barely exist in the NBA I offered this:
1. 17M
2. 17M
3. 18M
4. 18M
5. 19M
Total: 99M
Nurkic left 20M on the table.
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Post by Jared Montini on Nov 19, 2019 17:46:15 GMT
I'm going to be honest, I hate the amount of declining contracts being signed. If you take away the small contracts and max offers half of them are declining. This contracts barely exist in the NBA I offered this:
1. 17M
2. 17M
3. 18M
4. 18M
5. 19M
Total: 99M
Nurkic left 20M on the table.
damn I don’t think it’s smart to leave that much money on the table. Doubt he gets more than that 5 years from noe |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Nov 19, 2019 22:16:33 GMT
where is that table?
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Post by George Gervin on Nov 19, 2019 23:44:50 GMT
I'm going to be honest, I hate the amount of declining contracts being signed. If you take away the small contracts and max offers half of them are declining. This contracts barely exist in the NBA I offered this:
1. 17M
2. 17M
3. 18M
4. 18M
5. 19M
Total: 99M
Nurkic left 20M on the table.
He forced his way out, in real life, from a better team in the Nuggets who could have offered him more money because he valued starting that much. You had no viable path to offer him that option unless you had a plan to bench or deal Whiteside. Sorry, but Walt Frazier’s reasoning is sound here that money for Nurkic has not proven to be the main driving factor in his career. He took what was seen then as a below market extension (4/$48 MM) to stay in Portland as the starting center rather than lose that. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 20, 2019 2:01:40 GMT
I offered this:
1. 17M
2. 17M
3. 18M
4. 18M
5. 19M
Total: 99M
Nurkic left 20M on the table.
He forced his way out, in real life, from a better team in the Nuggets who could have offered him more money because he valued starting that much. You had no viable path to offer him that option unless you had a plan to bench or deal Whiteside. Sorry, but Walt Frazier ’s reasoning is sound here that money for Nurkic has not proven to be the main driving factor in his career. He took what was seen then as a below market extension (4/$48 MM) to stay in Portland as the starting center rather than lose that. Nah, I call BS on that one. He forced a trade but there is no way the Nuggets offer him a max contract with Jokic and Millsap on the roster. And he wasn't in a contract year when he was traded. He was in the middle of his rookie deal. Portland could have offered him a max deal just like the Nuggets but didn't and I don't think anyone else offered him more than what Portland resigned him for. Considering he's in the middle of a 4 year 40something million dollar contract I think both of you're guy's offers were WAY crazy especially considering the injury he just suffered. Yeah he really wanted to start so obviously that plays a bigger factor than for many players but does it play a 20 million dollar factor? IDK, still doesn't make the declining contracts much less silly either way. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 20, 2019 2:03:12 GMT
And the only reason the declining contracts are appealing to NBA players in real life is that in real life sometimes all the money isn't guaranteed so getting a BUNCH up front is actually advantageous to the player. In D5 everything is guaranteed unless there is a TO so it's a bit different.
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Post by James Kay on Nov 20, 2019 18:09:54 GMT
And the only reason the declining contracts are appealing to NBA players in real life is that in real life sometimes all the money isn't guaranteed so getting a BUNCH up front is actually advantageous to the player. In D5 everything is guaranteed unless there is a TO so it's a bit different. I don’t know how many times we need to go over this but it simply isn’t true. 20 million dollars today is more valuable than 20 million dollars one year from now. It’s not really up for debate. Teams IRL aren’t handing out these contracts because they’d rather use the cap space now. Darly Morey himself has confirmed this. IMO the prevalence of decreasing contacts in D5 is a fun little wrinkle resulting from the absolute lack of incentive to compete if you’re not contending, leading to teams prioritizing a possible long term competitiveness over small scale immediate gains in talent. Anyway, the decreasing contract is pretty much completely irrelevant to the discussion of this signing. Nurkic chose 70M over 4 years instead of 90 over 5 years. After 4 years can Nurkic secure a contract that is greater than 20M+ the contract that he might secure after 5 years? Honestly seems unlikely given his injury history. 4 years is a long time. Kinda confusing as to why Nurkic wouldn’t demand a greater amount over 4 years than he was already offered by the team offering him 90M over 5. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 20, 2019 19:28:23 GMT
And the only reason the declining contracts are appealing to NBA players in real life is that in real life sometimes all the money isn't guaranteed so getting a BUNCH up front is actually advantageous to the player. In D5 everything is guaranteed unless there is a TO so it's a bit different. I don’t know how many times we need to go over this but it simply isn’t true. 20 million dollars today is more valuable than 20 million dollars one year from now. It’s not really up for debate. Teams IRL aren’t handing out these contracts because they’d rather use the cap space now. Darly Morey himself has confirmed this. IMO the prevalence of decreasing contacts in D5 is a fun little wrinkle resulting from the absolute lack of incentive to compete if you’re not contending, leading to teams prioritizing a possible long term competitiveness over small scale immediate gains in talent. Anyway, the decreasing contract is pretty much completely irrelevant to the discussion of this signing. Nurkic chose 70M over 4 years instead of 90 over 5 years. After 4 years can Nurkic secure a contract that is greater than 20M+ the contract that he might secure after 5 years? Honestly seems unlikely given his injury history. 4 years is a long time. Kinda confusing as to why Nurkic wouldn’t demand a greater amount over 4 years than he was already offered by the team offering him 90M over 5. That's fair but an NBA player also knows that 90 is more than 70 and 20 guaranteed is more than 0 guaranteed. |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2019 19:39:41 GMT
Technically if the offer that Billy sent it's true he left 29 million the table, but I understand the reasoning for it. Entering a year early can gain him a lot more money long term plus all the other reasons walt listed
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Amare Stoudemire
 Sacramento Kings
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 20, 2019 20:04:59 GMT
To me it makes absolutely no sense! He signed a 4/48 irl and he has a chance to get a 5/99 in d5 and passes it up, especially with the injury he sustained
Not a smart business move imo
I get he signed a 4/70 with the hawks but the difference between his age 29 with a 4 year contract or 30 with a 5 year deal is not much imo
But theirs no way he's getting 29 mil his 1st year after that 4 year deal
And the starting part will come when he gets healthy and back to being nurk
Whiteside is the easy choice to bring off the bench after jusuf shows he's healthy!
I'm sure I'm not the only one here that if it were you doesn't take that extra 29 mil for a extra year! Not smart jusuf
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Post by James Kay on Nov 20, 2019 20:36:20 GMT
I don’t know how many times we need to go over this but it simply isn’t true. 20 million dollars today is more valuable than 20 million dollars one year from now. It’s not really up for debate. Teams IRL aren’t handing out these contracts because they’d rather use the cap space now. Darly Morey himself has confirmed this. IMO the prevalence of decreasing contacts in D5 is a fun little wrinkle resulting from the absolute lack of incentive to compete if you’re not contending, leading to teams prioritizing a possible long term competitiveness over small scale immediate gains in talent. Anyway, the decreasing contract is pretty much completely irrelevant to the discussion of this signing. Nurkic chose 70M over 4 years instead of 90 over 5 years. After 4 years can Nurkic secure a contract that is greater than 20M+ the contract that he might secure after 5 years? Honestly seems unlikely given his injury history. 4 years is a long time. Kinda confusing as to why Nurkic wouldn’t demand a greater amount over 4 years than he was already offered by the team offering him 90M over 5. That's fair but an NBA player also knows that 90 is more than 70 and 20 guaranteed is more than 0 guaranteed. Yes we're in agreement about that lol I said that the deal was "kinda confusing" regarding Nurkic settling for the same amount of money over 4 years without that additional 20 million in year 5 |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Nov 20, 2019 22:56:57 GMT
Why are we even considering realism if the trade committee already threw that out in the KD-LBJ trade?
#SelectiveApplication
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Post by Alex English on Nov 20, 2019 23:10:24 GMT
The Knicks offer wasn't for $99 million, it was $89 million. The difference between the two is $19 million for the 5th year. #Math
P.S. I also hate declining contracts.
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