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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Nov 1, 2019 20:59:16 GMT
 Malcolm Brogdon - Philadelphia 76ersMalcolm Brogdon has agreed to a 5 year deal to return to the Philadelphia 76ers: Year 1: $23,000,000 Year 2: $24,725,000 Year 3: $26,579,375 Year 4: $28,572,828 Year 5: $30,715,790 Total: 5 years, $134m The 76ers have been loyal to Malcolm and have featured him in a prominent role for years. We are glad we could agree to a contract with Allen Iverson to return on a long-term deal. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 3, 2019 0:24:44 GMT
Is that the max contract?
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 3, 2019 12:13:12 GMT
Is that the max contract? No but it starts about $4m less than the max. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 3, 2019 20:08:06 GMT
Can you have Josh not tell me that he's got a max contract offer over 4 years and then have Brogdon sign a contract that's 20 million less than that that I definitely would have matched?
Just a tad super annoying.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Nov 3, 2019 23:52:52 GMT
Can you have Josh not tell me that he's got a max contract offer over 4 years and then have Brogdon sign a contract that's 20 million less than that that I definitely would have matched? Just a tad super annoying. He did have 2 max offers, which we debated in the PA section if we should cap or not. I know it doesn’t address your point at all, but Brogdon would have been very hard to pry away from Philly |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 4, 2019 0:36:04 GMT
Can you have Josh not tell me that he's got a max contract offer over 4 years and then have Brogdon sign a contract that's 20 million less than that that I definitely would have matched? Just a tad super annoying. He did have 2 max offers, which we debated in the PA section if we should cap or not. I know it doesn’t address your point at all, but Brogdon would have been very hard to pry away from Philly IF TWO TEAMS OFFERED A MAX CONTRACT HE SHOULD BE ON ONE OF THOSE CONTRACTS RIGHT NOW CAPPING THE SALARY IS STUPID AND NOT FAIR. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 4, 2019 0:36:41 GMT
Why do we have to do this stupid shit LITERALLY every offseason?
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Post by Jay Z on Nov 4, 2019 0:38:45 GMT
He did have 2 max offers, which we debated in the PA section if we should cap or not. I know it doesn’t address your point at all, but Brogdon would have been very hard to pry away from Philly IF TWO TEAMS OFFERED A MAX CONTRACT HE SHOULD BE ON ONE OF THOSE CONTRACTS RIGHT NOW CAPPING THE SALARY IS STUPID AND NOT FAIR. I second this, don't protect teams from handing out "bad" contracts. One team is trying to scare off another by throwing around these fat contracts and your neutering their ability to sign players. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 4, 2019 0:39:58 GMT
Like seriously you tell me he has offers @ 7.5 million a year more than I was offering and then he only signs for 3 million more and THEN you tell me that two other teams were ACTUALLY offering the full max and he's not even on those teams?
How is that fair to those teams? Either Philly wants him or he doesn't.
Take off the freaking kid gloves. If a real team in real life has Bird Rights and doesn't wanna match they lose the damned player.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Nov 4, 2019 1:02:21 GMT
Philly was one of the teams that offered the max
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 4, 2019 3:39:06 GMT
Philly was one of the teams that offered the max Why aren't they paying the max then? |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Nov 4, 2019 3:59:04 GMT
Brogdon just signed a 4-year, $85M contract this offseason IRL. That's about $21M/year.
The contract he just signed in D5 is about $27M/year.
I think our general thought was that this contract is already a pretty sizable overpay, and it didn't need to go even further.
I would also add that finding out how much teams are willing to pay for your client is a valid negotiation technique, even in our semi-goofy "capping" process. It's about trying to keep things somewhat reasonable. We've seen a few super-duper bad contracts in D5 before since we're not dealing with actual money (people don't have any true consequences to blowing money, etc). Maybe those are excuses but personally, with a signing having happened SO recently at $21M/year, even the $27M/year kind of annoys me. I'm not sure if I was the PA, it wouldn't have been even a little bit lower, but I wasn't in the negotiations so I don't know for sure.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Nov 4, 2019 11:55:19 GMT
Just going to offer the max on everyone and then let you guys reduce it, valid technique. this is really fucking stupid imo. If a team wants to overpay, let it happen, don’t fucking cap it. The freedom in this league is legit nonexistent. As long as it isn’t some bad player getting a max contract, then everything should go through as offered. Protecting is for situations that are league ruiners, not capping a salary at 4 mil less a year. I just think that is overreaching and I am surprised Barber is okay with this as much as he complained about the capella signing. Which again, was stupid.
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 4, 2019 13:17:35 GMT
As long as it isn’t some bad player getting a max contract History shows this is exactly what happens and that's why we use our judgement to reduce salaries. I was pressuring Josh to reduce even further on this contract actually, to get closer to the $21m/yr mark Brogdon signed IRL. It's not like we're lacking for overbloated contracts in the league, they still get handed out each year. My concern is maintaining realism and my experience has shown me that realism doesn't happen when you let the market rule in situations like OSFA. It's not real money we're using so max contracts get thrown around all over the place. The Trade Committee and capping of OSFA contracts both exist to protect the league, and if anyone can devise a better system I'm yet to see it. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 4, 2019 17:20:47 GMT
As long as it isn’t some bad player getting a max contract History shows this is exactly what happens and that's why we use our judgement to reduce salaries. I was pressuring Josh to reduce even further on this contract actually, to get closer to the $21m/yr mark Brogdon signed IRL. It's not like we're lacking for overbloated contracts in the league, they still get handed out each year. My concern is maintaining realism and my experience has shown me that realism doesn't happen when you let the market rule in situations like OSFA. It's not real money we're using so max contracts get thrown around all over the place. The Trade Committee and capping of OSFA contracts both exist to protect the league, and if anyone can devise a better system I'm yet to see it. Do you not think then that it should be communicated that hey this is the amount that is actually going to be signed for and then give the opportunity for teams to go to that number? IDK, just seems ridiculous. The only reason he's getting these massive offers in the first place is because he's over 20ppg rn. |
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Post by Larry Bird on Nov 4, 2019 17:48:22 GMT
If there is going to be a cap for the player.
Why not allow the teams who want to offer to the cap offer.
They have to put in another pitch and then the committee decides where they sign?
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 4, 2019 18:34:49 GMT
History shows this is exactly what happens and that's why we use our judgement to reduce salaries. I was pressuring Josh to reduce even further on this contract actually, to get closer to the $21m/yr mark Brogdon signed IRL. It's not like we're lacking for overbloated contracts in the league, they still get handed out each year. My concern is maintaining realism and my experience has shown me that realism doesn't happen when you let the market rule in situations like OSFA. It's not real money we're using so max contracts get thrown around all over the place. The Trade Committee and capping of OSFA contracts both exist to protect the league, and if anyone can devise a better system I'm yet to see it. Do you not think then that it should be communicated that hey this is the amount that is actually going to be signed for and then give the opportunity for teams to go to that number? IDK, just seems ridiculous. The only reason he's getting these massive offers in the first place is because he's over 20ppg rn. I agree on this point and I apologise, this was an oversight on my part. I've communicated it to the PAs. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 4, 2019 21:56:50 GMT
Plus this Free Agency class is even more dogshit now that PG took his PO for some reason so dudes are gonna get overpaid same thing happens in real life.
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 4, 2019 23:03:16 GMT
Plus this Free Agency class is even more dogshit now that PG took his PO for some reason so dudes are gonna get overpaid same thing happens in real life. Fear not, next off season there's literally the strongest OSFA class in the history of D5. |
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Post by James Kay on Nov 5, 2019 18:10:26 GMT
Plus this Free Agency class is even more dogshit now that PG took his PO for some reason so dudes are gonna get overpaid same thing happens in real life. PG is on the Charlotte Hornets |
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Post by Billy King on Nov 12, 2019 13:46:47 GMT
Capping salaries is stupid but Jeremiah complaining about not paying Brogdon a max contract is pretty laughable
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Post by Billy King on Nov 12, 2019 13:58:23 GMT
Capping salaries is stupid but Jeremiah complaining about not paying Brogdon a max contract is pretty laughable awesome post |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 12, 2019 15:38:02 GMT
Capping salaries is stupid but Jeremiah complaining about not paying Brogdon a max contract is pretty laughable If someone tells me that's what I'm competing with and I don't bother because I personally think that's too much I expect them to sign for the max. That's not ridiculous. |
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