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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 23, 2019 20:15:31 GMT
Current: 80
Proposed: 85
Season so far:
18.8ppg 4.5rpg 4.9apg on 43/36/84 in 31 minutes per game.
Nuggets are all the way up at #2 in the super competitive Western Conference and Maple Curry has been literally the only consistent presence amongst the starters not named Nikola Jokic. Murray (18.8ppg) and Jokic (19.6ppg) both share the scoring load and 4.5rpg and 4.9apg is also pretty damn impressive. Murray is the #2 guy on an elite team and playing well beyond his 21 years.
Literally the only criticism is that his 3PT% slumped in his first 8 games but he's shot 39%3PT since then. He's currently 44%3PT for the month of January.
Would probably be in the all star discussion if he played for the Lakers or Warriors - Lonzo is somehow up there despite being half the player Murray is.
88 Victor Oladipo: 18.8ppg 5.6rpg 5.2apg on 42/34/73 in 31 minutes per game. Pacers 3rd in East.
85 CJ McCollum: 20.7ppg 3.8rpg 2.6apg on 46/35/83 in 34 minutes per game. Blazers 4th in West.
80 Jamal Murray: 18.8ppg 4.5rpg 4.9apg on 43/36/84 in 31 minutes per game. Nuggets 2nd in West.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 23, 2019 20:36:12 GMT
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Post by Jerry West on Jan 23, 2019 20:41:29 GMT
He is at the level Bledsoe is in my opinion, 84
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Post by George Gervin on Jan 23, 2019 20:41:31 GMT
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 23, 2019 20:43:21 GMT
I think Murray is going to be a good player, but unfortunately the Nuggets are currently much better when he isn’t on the floor. I think 82 is as high as I can go, and even that feels a bit generous.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 23, 2019 23:32:18 GMT
Yeah I'm with Josh. You jumped the gun Ian, Jamal has been very inconsistent lately. I think he's gonna be great but rn I'll go 81
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 23, 2019 23:45:36 GMT
83
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jan 24, 2019 1:03:21 GMT
82 ^^
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 24, 2019 3:56:56 GMT
I think the stats are there and he's doing it on a very good team.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jan 24, 2019 4:19:11 GMT
82.5
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 24, 2019 13:17:08 GMT
88 Victor Oladipo: 18.8ppg 5.6rpg 5.2apg on 42/34/73 in 31 minutes per game. Pacers 3rd in East.
85 CJ McCollum: 20.7ppg 3.8rpg 2.6apg on 46/35/83 in 34 minutes per game. Blazers 4th in West.
80 Jamal Murray: 18.8ppg 4.5rpg 4.9apg on 43/36/84 in 31 minutes per game. Nuggets 2nd in West.
Jamal Murray is at least an 85.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 24, 2019 14:04:43 GMT
88 Victor Oladipo: 18.8ppg 5.6rpg 5.2apg on 42/34/73 in 31 minutes per game. Pacers 3rd in East. 85 CJ McCollum: 20.7ppg 3.8rpg 2.6apg on 46/35/83 in 34 minutes per game. Blazers 4th in West. 80 Jamal Murray: 18.8ppg 4.5rpg 4.9apg on 43/36/84 in 31 minutes per game. Nuggets 2nd in West. Jamal Murray is at least an 85. Oladipos rating is mainly based on last year. But even then, he plays a larger role on his team offensively and defensively. McCollum is actually pretty close to Murray, but has been doing it longer and a little better than Murray. Being 2nd in the West has almost nothing to do with Murray lol. I’ll go 83 for now, could be 86 by the end of the season if he has a similar 2nd half as last season, where he played much better than the first half. |
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Post by James Kay on Jan 24, 2019 14:05:59 GMT
We were all hidden from the depths of Ian’s homerism until he actually started wanting to win.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 24, 2019 14:11:55 GMT
We were all hidden from the depths of Ian’s homerism until he actually started wanting to win. Did you see the recent Sabonis thread? lol 86 for a bench guy producing the same as Montrezl Harrell in limited minutes or 85 for a starter, 2nd scoring option and facilitator Being 2nd in the West has almost nothing to do with Murray lol. Call me a homer but who else are you giving credit on the Nuggets other than Jokic? |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 24, 2019 14:31:22 GMT
We were all hidden from the depths of Ian’s homerism until he actually started wanting to win. Did you see the recent Sabonis thread? lol 86 for a bench guy producing the same as Montrezl Harrell in limited minutes or 85 for a starter, 2nd scoring option and facilitator Being 2nd in the West has almost nothing to do with Murray lol. Call me a homer but who else are you giving credit on the Nuggets other than Jokic? Their whole team is solid. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 24, 2019 14:32:40 GMT
Did you see the recent Sabonis thread? lol 86 for a bench guy producing the same as Montrezl Harrell in limited minutes or 85 for a starter, 2nd scoring option and facilitator Call me a homer but who else are you giving credit on the Nuggets other than Jokic? Their whole team is solid. Their whole team has been injured lol, that's completely incorrect. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 24, 2019 14:37:10 GMT
Let is go on Sabonis  . I backed up all my claims with statistics. If you did the same in depth analysis on Murray, you'd land somewhere between a 79 and 81 rating. To reiterate, Jamal Murray is a NEGATIVE when he is on the floor. Jamal Murray has the WORST offensive rating on the Nuggets except for Trey Lyles. Jamal Murray has the WORST defensive rating on the Nuggets except for Malik Beasley. The Nuggets get OUTSCORED by 6 points per 100 when Murray is on the floor. Sure, there is something to be said for playing a lot of minutes on a winning team, but he is 21 years old and factually makes the team worse when he plays. Sabonis is literally the complete opposite of this, plays for an equal or better team (yes, the Pacers record is currently better than the Nuggets), and even puts up similar totals in much less minutes. You say that Murray is the 2nd option on a good team, and someone needs to get credit for their success... well, Sabonis is just 1 ppg away from being the 2nd leading scorer on the Pacers, and he dominates every advanced statistical category. He's literally elite in categories like rebounding and efficiency. Why should Nuggets players get credit but Pacers players shouldn't? Sabonis has 5.6 win shares on the season, and Murray has 2.5. Sabonis is a much bigger impact on the Pacers success than Murray is on the Nuggets success. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 24, 2019 14:39:08 GMT
Their whole team is solid. Their whole team has been injured lol, that's completely incorrect. Their rotation that has been playing is really good even with the injuries. All I am saying is it's not like Murray is playing with scrubs. He is playing with a bunch of above average players and Jokic. Who should get 95% of the credit. Jokic is probably the best big man passer to ever play the game. And Josh does have a point. All of his advanced stats aren't the best. |
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Post by James Kay on Jan 24, 2019 14:49:57 GMT
Their whole team is solid. Their whole team has been injured lol, that's completely incorrect. I'm mainly crediting Jokic, yes, because look at Malik Beasley (10ppg), Monte Morris (10ppg), and Juan Hernangomez (8.5ppg). All shooting 47/40%+. Murray's good, but I could really not care less about the Nugget's record in regard to his rating. Like Kevin said, their whole team is solid. Yes, there have been some injuries (Harris has missed 18 games, Millsap has missed 8, Barton has missed 39), but it's not like Murray has been simply putting the team on his back. They've gotten great production out of Beasley, Morris, Hernangomez, and even solid production out of Torrey Craig and Trey Lyles. Murray has the worst Offensive Rating, Defensive Rating, OBPM, DBPM, WS/48 of all the starters. The O-Rating (107) and D-Rating (113) are especially damning, he and Trey Lyles are the only players on the Nuggets with lower O-Ratings than D-Ratings. 83 is reasonable until he can improve his defense and become more consistent in his scoring ability. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 24, 2019 15:30:02 GMT
Rest of D5 watching this thread like:  |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 25, 2019 12:33:11 GMT
Let is go on Sabonis . I backed up all my claims with statistics. If you did the same in depth analysis on Murray, you'd land somewhere between a 79 and 81 rating. To reiterate, Jamal Murray is a NEGATIVE when he is on the floor. Jamal Murray has the WORST offensive rating on the Nuggets except for Trey Lyles. Jamal Murray has the WORST defensive rating on the Nuggets except for Malik Beasley. The Nuggets get OUTSCORED by 6 points per 100 when Murray is on the floor. Sure, there is something to be said for playing a lot of minutes on a winning team, but he is 21 years old and factually makes the team worse when he plays. Sabonis is literally the complete opposite of this, plays for an equal or better team (yes, the Pacers record is currently better than the Nuggets), and even puts up similar totals in much less minutes. You say that Murray is the 2nd option on a good team, and someone needs to get credit for their success... well, Sabonis is just 1 ppg away from being the 2nd leading scorer on the Pacers, and he dominates every advanced statistical category. He's literally elite in categories like rebounding and efficiency. Why should Nuggets players get credit but Pacers players shouldn't? Sabonis has 5.6 win shares on the season, and Murray has 2.5. Sabonis is a much bigger impact on the Pacers success than Murray is on the Nuggets success. Idk if you're looking at these stats with correct context tbh. Yeah his offensive rating has taken a hit but he's also averaging the most minutes on the team which makes him the only player that we know doesn't play all his minutes with Jokic as the anchor on offense. We also know he's kinda having his worst FT shooting year so far which is the main reason his advanced efficiency stuff has taken a shit. So we can reasonably surmise that he's on the floor without Jokic trying to carry the offense. He's also going to lose defensive rating because as I pointed out before, despite Jokics lack of blocks he's actually really fuckin good on defense as well. Now that's not saying he's not shit at defense (he is, it was my biggest flaw for him in the draft) but come on. They've been without two major starters in Harris and Barton and Murray has done admirably in their stead. Also did you just compare the Nuggets record with the Pacers record with equivalence? Like there aren't 14 teams that would make the playoffs in the West? Is this Sabonis thing really the hill you're gonna die on? He'll get traded, his efficiency will go down and we'll find out by how much and make a new rating. That's how its always worked for hyper inflated role players. |
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Post by Mark Price on Jan 25, 2019 17:46:00 GMT
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 25, 2019 19:21:21 GMT
Also didn't catch Ian's Dipo, CJ, Murray comp. It's interesting but looking at it through the lense with Mitchell also I there I'd say it's more an indictment of CJ being overrated at an 85 than anything.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 25, 2019 21:34:20 GMT
Also didn't catch Ian's Dipo, CJ, Murray comp. It's interesting but looking at it through the lense with Mitchell also I there I'd say it's more an indictment of CJ being overrated at an 85 than anything. Donovan should be 84 or 85 imho. Like I said in another thread; he's not improved this season overall (although he has this month), but he has maintained a level of play that warrants a raise in my opinion. |
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Post by Ghazny Dimalen on Jan 31, 2019 6:42:04 GMT
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 31, 2019 17:01:03 GMT
Monte Morris with a 20-7-7 game. Should just bench Murray.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 2, 2019 15:01:18 GMT
Thread closed after 12 votes. New rating = 83
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 3, 2019 5:19:18 GMT
Bench Murray. Monte the boss
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. I backed up all my claims with statistics. If you did the same in depth analysis on Murray, you'd land somewhere between a 79 and 81 rating. 
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