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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Aug 1, 2018 0:32:51 GMT
Current Rating: 76
Suggested Rating: 79
Just throwing this up to get it in before next season starts:
His stats:
In 31mpg
12.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.3 apg 1.0 spg, .1 bpg, 1.0 tov
70.6% ft (career 74%)
50.8% fg
42.5% 3pt
E'Twaun had a career year last season, he's in his prime and his situation didn't really change, in fact he'll probably get the ball more with Rondo out of town. He's a starting caliber guard, if leaving a bit to be desired but I think these stats warrant a 78-79 ovr with me edging to 79 simply due to his great efficiency.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Aug 1, 2018 6:26:21 GMT
His shooting % is nice, but he doesn't really do anything else and its not like he is a volume scorer. 12/3/2 in 31 minutes per game isn't really that great. He seems to be an average defender but nothing special. I don't see where we would get the ratings to put him to 79 honestly.
I'll vote to stay at 76.
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Post by Jared Montini on Aug 1, 2018 10:02:22 GMT
77.5
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Aug 1, 2018 12:43:00 GMT
His shooting % is nice, but he doesn't really do anything else and its not like he is a volume scorer. 12/3/2 in 31 minutes per game isn't really that great. He seems to be an average defender but nothing special. I don't see where we would get the ratings to put him to 79 honestly. I'll vote to stay at 76. He's better than Josh Richardson, John Simmons and Robert Covington in most things except rebounding for Covington but is WAY more efficient than any of them. They are all 78's 79's. He's gonna cap out at 78, 79 unless he goes god mode somehow this season. I really don't see the big deal. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Aug 1, 2018 12:51:22 GMT
His shooting % is nice, but he doesn't really do anything else and its not like he is a volume scorer. 12/3/2 in 31 minutes per game isn't really that great. He seems to be an average defender but nothing special. I don't see where we would get the ratings to put him to 79 honestly. I'll vote to stay at 76. He's better than Josh Richardson, John Simmons and Robert Covington in most things except rebounding for Covington but is WAY more efficient than any of them. They are all 78's 79's. He's gonna cap out at 78, 79 unless he goes god mode somehow this season. I really don't see the big deal. Richardson and Covington are some of the top defenders in the league and put up pretty much the same offensive stats as Moore. They are both rated 79. How exactly is Moore supposed to be 79 without their defense? |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 1, 2018 13:05:31 GMT
Comparing Etwaun Moore to Josh Richardson is crazy, not even close to the same caliber player
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Aug 1, 2018 13:41:27 GMT
Comparing Etwaun Moore to Josh Richardson is crazy, not even close to the same caliber player Josh Richardson is a better defender but Moore is as much better than him on offense as Richardson is better than him on Defense to the point that it essentially cancels out. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 1, 2018 16:27:20 GMT
Comparing Etwaun Moore to Josh Richardson is crazy, not even close to the same caliber player Josh Richardson is a better defender but Moore is as much better than him on offense as Richardson is better than him on Defense to the point that it essentially cancels out. But that's not true at all. Jrich is just as good a shooter, better driver and they are equal as passers roughly. Richardson is also much more athletic and can head to the rim in a way Moore cannot. What aspect of offense is he better at? They have similar counting stats but they really don't play similar. I bet if you asked nba teams which one they'd prefer 30/30 would choose Josh |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Aug 1, 2018 17:24:20 GMT
Josh Richardson is a better defender but Moore is as much better than him on offense as Richardson is better than him on Defense to the point that it essentially cancels out. But that's not true at all. Jrich is just as good a shooter, better driver and they are equal as passers roughly. Richardson is also much more athletic and can head to the rim in a way Moore cannot. What aspect of offense is he better at? They have similar counting stats but they really don't play similar. I bet if you asked nba teams which one they'd prefer 30/30 would choose Josh Nothing about what you just said is accurate. JRich shoots 45 and 37 vs 50 and 42 for Moore. The only thing he's markedly better at is FTs. And you're argument about getting to the rim is equally BS given that Moore shoots a higher percentage at the rim and from 2pt overall meaning he's a better shot creator as well. Also the shooting breakdowns of where each shoot their shots Moore shoots almost all of his shots within 10 feet (can't get to the rim my ass) and shoots only 8% of his shots that are long twos compared to JRich where 16% of his shots are long twos. Meaning Moore also has superior shot selection. JRich is slightly more athletic yes but that translated to 20 dunks vs 11 for ETwaun Moore woopty Doo. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 1, 2018 18:43:45 GMT
Well to be fair Etwaun plays with Anthony Davis and was assisted on 60% of his 2s vs only 40% for jrich. It's much harder to create your own shot.
That said you make good points, perhaps I'm underrating Etwaun, though I think jrich is still better. I also think he could handle a bigger role while Moore is in the perfect situation right now
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Post by Jared Montini on Aug 1, 2018 18:53:56 GMT
You give me one year to win a title I'm going Moore because he's more efficient and slightly better imo but I'd take JRich all day long term
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Aug 1, 2018 19:09:37 GMT
lmao what are these stats. 8% of shots are long twos versus 16% of shots?? What am I supposed to do with that information? That's the justification for a 79 rating?
No offense, but Moore just isn't that good of a player. He isn't some diamond in the rough who is just now breaking out after 7 years in the league. He is a mediocre roleplayer who Alvin Gentry said "run around the three point line and shoot it when you get it." Here's a stat for you. 98.4% of his threes are assisted. And 64.1% of his twos are assisted. That's a higher assisted % on twos that DeAndre Jordan, who literally can't do anything but finish an alley-oop. For comparison, JRich is only assisted on 39.7% of twos.
76 is generous for this guy already. He shot a nice % last year because someone else was doing all the work. I'm sorry but a 79 for Moore is laughable.
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Post by Jared Montini on Aug 1, 2018 19:14:55 GMT
lmao what are these stats. 8% of shots are long twos versus 16% of shots?? What am I supposed to do with that information? That's the justification for a 79 rating? No offense, but Moore just isn't that good of a player. He isn't some diamond in the rough who is just now breaking out after 7 years in the league. He is a mediocre roleplayer who Alvin Gentry said "run around the three point line and shoot it when you get it." Here's a stat for you. 98.4% of his threes are assisted. And 64.1% of his twos are assisted. That's a higher assisted % on twos that DeAndre Jordan, who literally can't do anything but finish an alley-oop. For comparison, JRich is only assisted on 39.7% of twos. 76 is generous for this guy already. He shot a nice % last year because someone else was doing all the work. I'm sorry but a 79 for Moore is laughable. didn't he vote booker a 79 or 80 haha. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Aug 1, 2018 19:28:32 GMT
lmao what are these stats. 8% of shots are long twos versus 16% of shots?? What am I supposed to do with that information? That's the justification for a 79 rating? No offense, but Moore just isn't that good of a player. He isn't some diamond in the rough who is just now breaking out after 7 years in the league. He is a mediocre roleplayer who Alvin Gentry said "run around the three point line and shoot it when you get it." Here's a stat for you. 98.4% of his threes are assisted. And 64.1% of his twos are assisted. That's a higher assisted % on twos that DeAndre Jordan, who literally can't do anything but finish an alley-oop. For comparison, JRich is only assisted on 39.7% of twos. 76 is generous for this guy already. He shot a nice % last year because someone else was doing all the work. I'm sorry but a 79 for Moore is laughable. 97% of Klay Thompson's 3's and 74% of his 2's are assisted. Getting open and reading the defense is an important part of basketball IQ. Sorry but I'm not downgrading Klay because he happens to be on a team with several good passers on it. I'm not downgrading Moore for playing on a team with Rondo and Holiday. I'm not claiming he's some diamond in the rough I'm saying he's a low level starting caliber player, literally every stat I've shown supports that. Kyle Korver got to a 79 for fuck sakes and he went a season where 100% of his 3s were assisted. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Aug 1, 2018 19:36:52 GMT
Kyle Korver was an all star bruh, put some respect on his name.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Aug 1, 2018 22:07:16 GMT
Kyle Korver was an all star bruh, put some respect on his name. You're the one disrespecting him because he got assisted. |
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