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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 20, 2018 6:13:46 GMT
I am a bit confused by our current salary situation. Are we trading 2018 contract still, or have we advanced to 2019 contracts? Some trades have one posted and some have the other
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 20, 2018 7:22:04 GMT
I am a bit confused by our current salary situation. Are we trading 2018 contract still, or have we advanced to 2019 contracts? Some trades have one posted and some have the other Until July 1st we're trading 2018 |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 20, 2018 8:24:55 GMT
I will still reject it though.. The simple question is this.. Is that the value of a top 3 player in the league? I think the answer is no. I don't think you understand. No one wants to give true value for KD. If it is rejected, it's whatever, but no one wants to or will separate from their number 1 guy to switch with KD. It's pretty simple. I thought about asking Utah, but why in the world would Utah want KD? There just ins't the demand. If this was real life, this would be completely different, but it's not. I get that point Kevin.. And for me, the difference in value is still not enough for me to accept this one. That is basically my point. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 20, 2018 8:54:50 GMT
It's not bad enough to reject. I begrudgingly accept. Both OKC trades this year, this trade and the Demarcus Cousins trade, shifted elite talent into the hands of already elite teams to the detriment of everyone and everything in D5. Like I said when Cousins joined the Bulls: I think for many of us who take this league seriously this is a distressing trade to witness. This time I was on the front-lines trying to acquire Durant though, and I think an extra frustration for me is that there were literally no negotiations, it was just me making unique offers and very little feedback other than "you're underrating Durant" coming back, which has now culminated in a trade that underrates Durant but the hot take is you "want change", and the piece that got the deal done was the inclusion of Horford instead of Ibaka...?! Why do I get the feeling OKC will become rooted into the position of a late-lottery, low-seed playoff team from now on? The hard cap can't come to save us soon enough. Demarcus Cousins Kevin Durant <-> Gary Harris Josh Jackson Julius Randle #6 Al Horford and his contract  |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 20, 2018 10:03:59 GMT
It's not bad enough to reject. I begrudgingly accept. Both OKC trades this year, this trade and the Demarcus Cousins trade, shifted elite talent into the hands of already elite teams to the detriment of everyone and everything in D5. ------- I think it's something to be said for those elite teams that they consistently have assets to pull deals like this. I think the trade committee should think of that next time they let someone trade rape a new GM in exchange for cap relief. The hard cap will help with this one in issue. |
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Post by Danny Longley on Jun 20, 2018 10:31:36 GMT
I guess it's meaningless, but I'm going to throw in my Reject.
I get that the return isn't terrible, but I think this is the kind of trade you begrudgingly accept when your player is on his last 1 or 2 years - not the first year of a long-term max deal. It doesn't address OKC's bigger problem with huge contracts on mid-low tier players and might just end up stuck again.
Maybe Horford gets flipped, I don't know - but as it is, It strikes me as an impatient move, and it just doesn't sit well with me as a deal for who might be the 2nd best player in the league.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 20, 2018 11:22:47 GMT
If people really think I am going to keep horford you are really mistaken. I could have moved knight recently too if I wanted. People are acting like moving horford is going to be impossible, but liek Alex said, it won't be. That's why I didn't care if I got horford in return, because I know I will get something from him eventually. Also, obviously Barnes will be moved eventually as well.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 20, 2018 11:40:48 GMT
It's not bad enough to reject. I begrudgingly accept. Both OKC trades this year, this trade and the Demarcus Cousins trade, shifted elite talent into the hands of already elite teams to the detriment of everyone and everything in D5. Like I said when Cousins joined the Bulls: I think for many of us who take this league seriously this is a distressing trade to witness. This time I was on the front-lines trying to acquire Durant though, and I think an extra frustration for me is that there were literally no negotiations, it was just me making unique offers and very little feedback other than "you're underrating Durant" coming back, which has now culminated in a trade that underrates Durant but the hot take is you "want change", and the piece that got the deal done was the inclusion of Horford instead of Ibaka...?! Why do I get the feeling OKC will become rooted into the position of a late-lottery, low-seed playoff team from now on? The hard cap can't come to save us soon enough. Demarcus Cousins Kevin Durant <-> Gary Harris Josh Jackson Julius Randle #6 Al Horford and his contract Opinions be opinions. West teams should be happy, Giannis probably stays in the West now, so there is that. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 20, 2018 13:13:58 GMT
I guess it's meaningless, but I'm going to throw in my Reject. I get that the return isn't terrible, but I think this is the kind of trade you begrudgingly accept when your player is on his last 1 or 2 years - not the first year of a long-term max deal. It doesn't address OKC's bigger problem with huge contracts on mid-low tier players and might just end up stuck again. Maybe Horford gets flipped, I don't know - but as it is, It strikes me as an impatient move, and it just doesn't sit well with me as a deal for who might be the 2nd best player in the league. Yeah I'm teetering towards rejecting actually... |
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Post by James Kay on Jun 20, 2018 13:46:56 GMT
I guess it's meaningless, but I'm going to throw in my Reject. I get that the return isn't terrible, but I think this is the kind of trade you begrudgingly accept when your player is on his last 1 or 2 years - not the first year of a long-term max deal. It doesn't address OKC's bigger problem with huge contracts on mid-low tier players and might just end up stuck again. Maybe Horford gets flipped, I don't know - but as it is, It strikes me as an impatient move, and it just doesn't sit well with me as a deal for who might be the 2nd best player in the league. Yeah I'm teetering towards rejecting actually... lol, it's already accepted. 3 accepts are in. You could maybe change if it wasn't accepted yet, but 3 votes means its done with. |
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Post by Danny Longley on Jun 20, 2018 13:50:08 GMT
I guess it's meaningless, but I'm going to throw in my Reject. I get that the return isn't terrible, but I think this is the kind of trade you begrudgingly accept when your player is on his last 1 or 2 years - not the first year of a long-term max deal. It doesn't address OKC's bigger problem with huge contracts on mid-low tier players and might just end up stuck again. Maybe Horford gets flipped, I don't know - but as it is, It strikes me as an impatient move, and it just doesn't sit well with me as a deal for who might be the 2nd best player in the league. Yeah I'm teetering towards rejecting actually... I'm not going to push anyone to change votes, but i'm just really annoyed by the fact that the only real reason KD being traded is that Kevin wants a change of pace. KD's not actually able to leave anytime soon. he's not showing any signs of falling off and has been fairly healthy in his time with the Warriors. Is there really any reason why the trade has to happen now, and not try and wait for a better overall deal when the league is in a more defined state like say, after OSFA or midseason? |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 20, 2018 14:31:02 GMT
Honestly, if I had to guess, this is probably one of the more attractive offers Hollis got for KD. Speaking from experience, when I was thinking about rebuilding and considered moving Davis, nobody wanted to give a fair deal for him (Other than Barber) because there are a lot of teams in this league that are tanking and value draft picks and young, unproven talent over established stars. That makes trading in this league 10x more difficult and harder to get fair value on these top players. I personally might have held out a little longer on moving KD, but at what point is someone going to come along and actually offer up a fair deal when so many want the picks and young players on rookie deals?
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jun 20, 2018 14:31:50 GMT
Walt and Ian never voted unless I missed it.
It's 2 yes and 1 reject.
Nvm, I found Ian's post lol
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 20, 2018 14:38:11 GMT
Yeah I'm teetering towards rejecting actually... I'm not going to push anyone to change votes, but i'm just really annoyed by the fact that the only real reason KD being traded is that Kevin wants a change of pace. KD's not actually able to leave anytime soon. he's not showing any signs of falling off and has been fairly healthy in his time with the Warriors. Is there really any reason why the trade has to happen now, and not try and wait for a better overall deal when the league is in a more defined state like say, after OSFA or midseason? The likelihood of a noticeable better deal coming along is probably not going to happen. If I wait, the same exact teams will only be interested in KD, which leaves me in the position I am in now. Also, the cap is going to be moving year over year and this will make it only harder to trade KD. It's exactly what Glenn said. Could've I waited longer? Yes. But will more fair offers come in later in time? Most likely not. If you all end up rejecting it, so be it, but please lay out better scenarios where I acquire more in return for KD by more than a marginal amount. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 20, 2018 18:10:48 GMT
Trade passed.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 20, 2018 18:29:08 GMT
You guys have two of these:
2021 CHA 2nd Round Pick
So I'll assume one of them is the 2022 CHA 2nd.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 20, 2018 22:46:03 GMT
I was very on the edge with this trade, apologies I waited too long to vote. It doesn't look like it would have mattered, but I am putting my reject on this for the official record. I agree with what Danny is saying (trading him now because Kevin wants to change direction, rather than truly thinking it's the best deal for him).
Not going to go further into it, it's done.
But, reject.
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