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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 31, 2018 11:09:49 GMT
Kelly is having his best season in the NBA. Which basically eliminates the notion that he was a product of the greatness of coach Stevens.
Per Game: 11.5 PTS | 5.6 REBS | 2.7 ASTS | 49.9% FG | 37.4% 3FG His Points, Rebounds and Assists are all career best.
Per 36 Minutes: 17.4 PTS | 8.5 REBS | 4.2 ASTS | 2.1 3PTM
PASSING He has his career-high in per game and per 36. His 5.1 Potential Assists is better than Saric and Millsap.
DEFENSE His DBPM has been positive his entire career. Not a very good one-on-one defender but in terms of team defense, he is really good.
OFFENSE In terms of offense, he is a real baller. In the top4 5-man line-up of the Heat, in terms of Net Rating, Kelly is present. One of them is the 2nd most used line-up.
Filter the 4-man line-up, and he is present on the 2nd best upto the 10th best, in terms of Net Rating.
Filter the 3 man line-up, and he is present on the top 5.
He is also shooting 78.1% in the 0-3 feet.
What that proves is his positive effect on his team, especially on their offense. His positioning, decision making and etc. are all elite. And I think the attributes that will show that is OAware.
Looking at his current attributes, here are my suggestions: OAWARE + 10 InsSco +5 FG -14 Passing +14 DAware +9 DReb +5
SUGGESTION: 79
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 31, 2018 11:28:34 GMT
Olynyk is a good player. His lineups with the Heat tend to dominate.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 31, 2018 12:56:12 GMT
We literally just had a stockwatch on him.
I love Kelly but over 80 is just ridiculous I'm sorry. He can shoot well and somewhat pass but can't play d well, or protect the rim. Not a good driver or powerful inside.
He's a good role player but we can't rate every role player high 70s low 80s that's just insane.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 31, 2018 13:49:12 GMT
We literally just had a stockwatch on him. I love Kelly but over 80 is just ridiculous I'm sorry. He can shoot well and somewhat pass but can't play d well, or protect the rim. Not a good driver or powerful inside. He's a good role player but we can't rate every role player high 70s low 80s that's just insane. 78 Over 80 is ridiculous because it doesn't fit beside your perception of the player? Even though it will fit the skills of the player. That is the kind of thinking that I hate the most.. We are here to rate the skills of the player, not what you perceived who he is.
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 31, 2018 18:34:27 GMT
If the star value does not match the player talent and it's not a bandwagon type player ir a player on certain D5 teams... You won't get an increase. You will be lucky to hold steady and most likely you will see a decrease instead.
The truth hurts but what can we Do? Nothing!!
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 1, 2018 1:37:16 GMT
JR...you could help "fight" this by actually voting on Kelly. Give him an increase or a stay the same, if you think he doesn't deserve this decrease that you're alluding might happen.
You're literally a part of the problem if you don't vote.
I'm going 78.7
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 1, 2018 2:44:04 GMT
78.5
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 1, 2018 3:16:47 GMT
78.5
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Post by Ghazny Dimalen on Apr 4, 2018 13:58:22 GMT
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Post by Larry Bird on Apr 4, 2018 14:12:05 GMT
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 4, 2018 14:59:09 GMT
Still confused how WCS gets 76 with similar numbers (outside of 3pt% obviously). WCS posting a per 36 of 16 ppg, 9 rbs, 3 asst, 1.5 stl, and 1 blk. Definitely needs to get better in some areas. Still believe both are solid players right now. Guess this really should be in the Bam thread, oh well.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 4, 2018 18:35:06 GMT
Still confused how WCS gets 76 with similar numbers (outside of 3pt% obviously). WCS posting a per 36 of 16 ppg, 9 rbs, 3 asst, 1.5 stl, and 1 blk. Definitely needs to get better in some areas. Still believe both are solid players right now. Guess this really should be in the Bam thread, oh well. Well he's magnitudes less efficient
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 4, 2018 18:39:24 GMT
Still confused how WCS gets 76 with similar numbers (outside of 3pt% obviously). WCS posting a per 36 of 16 ppg, 9 rbs, 3 asst, 1.5 stl, and 1 blk. Definitely needs to get better in some areas. Still believe both are solid players right now. Guess this really should be in the Bam thread, oh well. Well he's magnitudes less efficient Well, if you are taking that based on effective field goal percentage, he doesn't shoot 3s really, so that would explain it. I think that would be a dumb statistic to argue on.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 4, 2018 19:23:44 GMT
Well he's magnitudes less efficient Well, if you are taking that based on effective field goal percentage, he doesn't shoot 3s really, so that would explain it. I think that would be a dumb statistic to argue on. Olynk shoots 60% on 2s. Wcs shoots 50%.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 4, 2018 20:30:34 GMT
Well, if you are taking that based on effective field goal percentage, he doesn't shoot 3s really, so that would explain it. I think that would be a dumb statistic to argue on. Olynk shoots 60% on 2s. Wcs shoots 50%. Fair enough, Olynyk is terrible on defense. Every player is going to be better than others at certain things.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 5, 2018 22:48:03 GMT
Olynk shoots 60% on 2s. Wcs shoots 50%. Fair enough, Olynyk is terrible on defense. Every player is going to be better than others at certain things. IDK, a look at the advance stats says he's at least been replacement level on D his whole career. Doesn't do much in terms of rim protection but he nabs steals at a pretty good per minute rate for a PF/C. The Heat are in the playoffs with a better record than the Bucks or Wizard and Olynyks ability to stretch the floor and at least be in the right place at the right time on D has been a pretty big part of that. Particularly with Whiteside missing chunks of the season. I'm gonna say 79 cause 11ppg he's hugely important but his role isn't really 80 worthy.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 6, 2018 21:24:10 GMT
Giving Olynyk over 80 seems really bizarre to me.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 6, 2018 21:36:53 GMT
He’s probably been the best player on the Heat this season, even off the bench. I’ve followed them quite a bit due to Bam (hence my quick signing of Derrick Jones Jr).
It’s crazy to me, our D5 ratings suggest Whiteside must be carrying the team, but he doesn’t even play in the 4th sometimes cuz he sucks. Why is he rated so high? And Dragic is 84ish but hasn’t even been that great (sorry I’m on my phone and don’t feel like looking up the actual ratings). Everyone else is below 80 to my knowledge. Meanwhile the Bucks have an identical (or worse) record and have lone 95 and a few 85s, and at least one other 80s with no problem. I honestly think Okynyk and Richardson were probably better this season than Bledsoe or Middleton, but the Heat get no love.
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Post by James Kay on Apr 6, 2018 21:49:52 GMT
He’s probably been the best player on the Heat this season, even off the bench. I’ve followed them quite a bit due to Bam (hence my quick signing of Derrick Jones Jr). It’s crazy to me, our D5 ratings suggest Whiteside must be carrying the team, but he doesn’t even play in the 4th sometimes cuz he sucks. Why is he rated so high? And Dragic is 84ish but hasn’t even been that great (sorry I’m on my phone and don’t feel like looking up the actual ratings). Everyone else is below 80 to my knowledge. Meanwhile the Bucks have an identical (or worse) record and have lone 95 and a few 85s, and at least one other 80s with no problem. I honestly think Okynyk and Richardson were probably better this season than Bledsoe or Middleton, but the Heat get no love. I think a lot of it has to do with coaching. Spoelstra is one of the best coaches in the league. He's had a lot of success with these sort of PF/C tweener type big men. Look at the similarities between James Johnson and Olynyk. Johnson should get at least the same rating as Olynyk IMO - he's better defensively but not quite the shooter. www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_select=Kelly+Olynyk&player_id1=olynyke01&y1=2018&y2=2018&player_id2=johnsja01&idx=players&y3=2017&player_id3=johnsja01&idx=playersRichardson is definitely worthy of an increase (he's currently 75 and should be like an 79-81). I think the Heat is a great example of a bunch of ~80 rated players being used to their max potential by one of the league's best coaches.
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Post by JR Wiles on Apr 6, 2018 21:50:40 GMT
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Post by James Kay on Apr 6, 2018 21:51:24 GMT
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