Grizzlies - Jazz

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Jazz Trade:

Whiteside


Grizzlies Trade:

Bertans

[Jared Montini]

Lmao

[Jeremiah Hill]

I accept.

[Walt Frazier]

Need ratings and salary before I vote.

Also - Ha

[James Kay]

lolwat

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Clearly rejectable. Is this trade even serious? It wouldn’t be the first time Billy has traded talented players for awful players or prospects. This has to end eventually, the Jazz need to be put on a short leash.

[Walt Frazier]

This just has to be a joke, right? Billy apparently worked thousands of PM's to end up with Davis Bertans? The fact that there are no ratings or salary included pretty much means it's a slam dunk for me that this is not a real trade.

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Feb 26, 2018 13:44:54 GMT Walt Frazier said:

This just has to be a joke, right? Billy apparently worked thousands of PM's to end up with Davis Bertans? The fact that there are no ratings or salary included pretty much means it's a slam dunk for me that this is not a real trade.

This is supposed to be a real trade.

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Feb 26, 2018 5:48:03 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Clearly rejectable. Is this trade even serious? It wouldn’t be the first time Billy has traded talented players for awful players or prospects. This has to end eventually, the Jazz need to be put on a short leash.

Remember when I traded Wiggins for my 2018, and like 4 other 1sts? kek

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Feb 26, 2018 14:07:21 GMT @riogho said:

Feb 26, 2018 5:48:03 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Clearly rejectable. Is this trade even serious? It wouldn’t be the first time Billy has traded talented players for awful players or prospects. This has to end eventually, the Jazz need to be put on a short leash.

Remember when I traded Wiggins for my 2018, and like 4 other 1sts? kek

Yes, I do. Here it is. I also remember how you wasted every single pick you got and sent your team into further oblivion.

11 ---> Denzel Valentine
14 ---> Timothy Luwawu
17 ---> Georgios Papagiannis
UTA 2018 1st
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson


I'd rather have Wiggins than RHJ + Utah 2018 1st.

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Feb 26, 2018 14:11:47 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Feb 26, 2018 14:07:21 GMT @riogho said:

Remember when I traded Wiggins for my 2018, and like 4 other 1sts? kek

Yes, I do. Here it is. I also remember how you wasted every single pick you got and sent your team into further oblivion.

11 ---> Denzel Valentine
14 ---> Timothy Luwawu
17 ---> Georgios Papagiannis
UTA 2018 1st
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson


I'd rather have Wiggins than RHJ + Utah 2018 1st.

You and what army?

[Walt Frazier]

Feb 26, 2018 13:59:01 GMT @riogho said:

Feb 26, 2018 13:44:54 GMT Walt Frazier said:

This just has to be a joke, right? Billy apparently worked thousands of PM's to end up with Davis Bertans? The fact that there are no ratings or salary included pretty much means it's a slam dunk for me that this is not a real trade.

This is supposed to be a real trade.

Welp, I'm still not voting officially until this looks like an official trade.

[Ian Noble]

Yeah please add ratings and salaries to clarify what's going on BK.

I'm still yet to see any explanation from both GMs. For Jeremiah it's obvious - why wouldn't you want to make this deal? For BK though it's another head-scratcher.

If the Jazz are not tanking, why are they trading away Whiteside for a guy who somehow manages to suck whilst playing for the Spurs? Why are they making a deal which ensures they continue to be in the lottery? But if they are tanking, why trade away a 1st Rounder in the other deal?

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84 Whiteside 2,500,000

For

70 bertans 3,500,000 3,500,000 I think

[bk]

bad teams just get so fucked by birds rights rules here.

im fine with rewarding "loyalty" by requiring a gm to keep a player for 3 years to have their bird rights

but then when that loyalty is rewarded with "lol he's gone" why the fuck did i keep this guy

why cant we trade bird rights? now whiteside is worth jack shit because of this stupid fucking rule that promotes loyalty but actually just fucks loyal teams

[James Kay]

Feb 26, 2018 18:18:19 GMT bk said:

bad teams just get so fucked by birds rights rules here.

im fine with rewarding "loyalty" by requiring a gm to keep a player for 3 years to have their bird rights

but then when that loyalty is rewarded with "lol he's gone" why the fuck did i keep this guy

why cant we trade bird rights? now whiteside is worth jack shit because of this stupid fucking rule that promotes loyalty but actually just fucks loyal teams

Could not agree more that not allowing BRs to be traded is super dumb

[Kevin Hollis]

Agree. Just leave it up to the team trading the bird rights to do the due diligence to prove that they do have br. Or go through the roster page and put an asterisk or some mak o indicate which players have bird rights. Wouldn't be too hard to track.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Trading BRs isn’t the issue, that’s a revisionist excuse for poor planning. Loyalty is rewarded 95% of the time in D5. There’s only been a handful of instances where a BR player doesn’t re-sign. However, Billy has been in this league long enough to have realistic expectations about Whiteside possibly falling into the 5% that don’t re-sign. He should have known this last year, or two years ago even, way before his value dropped. Older players simply do not sign with tanking teams. It makes no sense. Poor planning has led to Billy holding onto Whiteside for far too long, and publicly decreeing that you are being “forced” to trade him doesn’t help his value either. Non-tradeable BRs didn’t nuke Whiteside’s vakue, Billy did by waiting until the very last moment and trying to scramble to make a deal.

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Feb 26, 2018 19:00:19 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Trading BRs isn’t the issue, that’s a revisionist excuse for poor planning. Loyalty is rewarded 95% of the time in D5. There’s only been a handful of instances where a BR player doesn’t re-sign. However, Billy has been in this league long enough to have realistic expectations about Whiteside possibly falling into the 5% that don’t re-sign. He should have known this last year, or two years ago even, way before his value dropped. Older players simply do not sign with tanking teams. It makes no sense. Poor planning has led to Billy holding onto Whiteside for far too long, and publicly decreeing that you are being “forced” to trade him doesn’t help his value either. Non-tradeable BRs didn’t nuke Whiteside’s vakue, Billy did by waiting until the very last moment and trying to scramble to make a deal.

No that's bullshit. If Whiteside would've left without me publically putting him on the block it wouldn't be in a 5% bucket, it would've literally been the first time it has happened. What's the other times? Vlade withdrew his offer to Gasol. Dan didn't do shit with his offer, and JR was publically trying to trade Tim Duncan.

It literally made no sense for me to expect him to leave, which is why I believed he wouldn't until the aforementioned PM of doom.

[James Kay]

Feb 26, 2018 19:00:19 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Trading BRs isn’t the issue, that’s a revisionist excuse for poor planning. Loyalty is rewarded 95% of the time in D5. There’s only been a handful of instances where a BR player doesn’t re-sign. However, Billy has been in this league long enough to have realistic expectations about Whiteside possibly falling into the 5% that don’t re-sign. He should have known this last year, or two years ago even, way before his value dropped. Older players simply do not sign with tanking teams. It makes no sense. Poor planning has led to Billy holding onto Whiteside for far too long, and publicly decreeing that you are being “forced” to trade him doesn’t help his value either. Non-tradeable BRs didn’t nuke Whiteside’s vakue, Billy did by waiting until the very last moment and trying to scramble to make a deal.

BRs should still be tradeable

[Kevin Hollis]

If he is going to lose Whiteside for nothing, then a trade for something should be approved imo.

[Ian Noble]

I reject this trade.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Lol, this trade is dumb but if someone offers you that you flat out just say yeah.

[Walt Frazier]

I'll reject on the premise of not understanding the direction of the Jazz. Trying to trade your 2021 1st for complimentary type pieces while at the same time trading your best current player (one of your clear starters going forward) for another complimentary type piece just means you increased that pick's value a ton while trading it away. Doesn't make sense.

Reject.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Feb 26, 2018 21:46:23 GMT Walt Frazier said:

I'll reject on the premise of not understanding the direction of the Jazz. Trying to trade your 2021 1st for complimentary type pieces while at the same time trading your best current player (one of your clear starters going forward) for another complimentary type piece just means you increased that pick's value a ton while trading it away. Doesn't make sense.

Reject.

I would say that any trade that is immediately followed by the GM quitting should be rejected on principle.

[Walt Frazier]

Feb 26, 2018 22:55:16 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Feb 26, 2018 21:46:23 GMT Walt Frazier said:

I'll reject on the premise of not understanding the direction of the Jazz. Trying to trade your 2021 1st for complimentary type pieces while at the same time trading your best current player (one of your clear starters going forward) for another complimentary type piece just means you increased that pick's value a ton while trading it away. Doesn't make sense.

Reject.

I would say that any trade that is immediately followed by the GM quitting should be rejected on principle.

Agreed