Detroit - Indiana

[Larry Bird]

Detroit Trades:
68 RJ Hunter $2,096,707 $3,021,354
74 Timofey Mozgov $13,917,429 $15,030,823 $16,233,288
Cliff Alexander $1,000,000
$17,014,136

Indiana Trades:
78 Jeff Green $13,616,130
2nd 2021 Indiana
$13,616,130

This trades is within the 125% rule.

I accept this trade.
Green is playing out of position at the SG position.
I get to add RJ Hunter who I can start as a shooting guard.
I also get Mozgov who can join the big man rotation with Gortat and Hernangomez.
Green has been playing well, but I think this gives me another young player and another decent big.

[Chauncey Billups]

Feb 10, 2018 22:01:47 GMT Larry Bird said:

Detroit Trades:
68 RJ Hunter $2,096,707 $3,021,354
74 Timofey Mozgov $13,917,429 $15,030,823 $16,233,288
Cliff Alexander $1,000,000
$17,014,136

Indiana Trades:
78 Jeff Green $13,616,130
2nd 2021 Indiana
$13,616,130

This trades is within the 125% rule.

I accept this trade.
Green is playing out of position at the SG position.
I get to add RJ Hunter who I can start as a shooting guard.
I also get Mozgov who can join the big man rotation with Gortat and Hernangomez.
Green has been playing well, but I think this gives me another young player and another decent big.

So the Chauncey rebuild begins!

I think this trade is just what my team needs. I get rid of Mozgov's contract, and his ridiculous 20/10 stat line for an expiring Jeff Green and a future pick.

This trade helps both teams with our respective goals moving forward.

I accept

[James Kay]

TC, please...

[Brian Scalabrine]

Jesus christ Larry

[Chauncey Billups]

Just gonna ask this upfront. Will I ever be able to trade Mozgov without catching flack? Or Biyombo and Noah?

Doesn't seem fair that they ended up here but won't be able to get rid of them without gouging my team even further.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Indiana loading up on sim gods, James Kay worried about losing his spot!

[Kevin Hollis]

Doesn't make sense for Larry at all

[James Kay]

Feb 10, 2018 23:07:47 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

Just gonna ask this upfront. Will I ever be able to trade Mozgov without catching flack? Or Biyombo and Noah?

Doesn't seem fair that they ended up here but won't be able to get rid of them without gouging my team even further.

Lol, yeah, they ended up on your team - if you look at the trades that got them there ALL three of them included first round picks and comparable salaries. This is a complete salary dump AND it’s DET that gets the 2nd rounder?? Plus, Mozgov has only decreased in value lmao. This trade is absolutely absurd.

[Chauncey Billups]

Calling on all TC to be reasonable here.

This trade is hardly rejectable. Don't let your subjective reasoning get in the way of your objective job.

[Alex English]

What even happened in the negotiations for this trade?

'Hey you want this dude putting up 4ppg with a massive contract that's barely even tradeable?'

'Yea for sure, lemme give you this high 70s rated reliable rotation player that could even start on bad teams. I also need a starting SG, got anyone for me?'

'Yea I got this 68 rated dude that's literally played just 2 minutes this season, probably won't even be in the NBA next season.'

'Sounds good, lemme give you a 2nd round pick for him.'

I'm just at a complete loss for why Indiana would have any interest in this trade. Is the assumption that their D5 stats mean something and will keep up when put on a team that isn't total shit like Detroit?

[Larry Bird]

0-1 Reject.

[Danny Longley]

Soooo, the deal is: Indiana takes on at the worst contract, gives up the best player in the deal, and gives up a pick to take a flyer on RJ Hunter?

I can appreciate a sim god for sure, but the sim is too volatile to really make it a factor in terms of trade value.

All in all, too many negatives on one side for me.

Reject.

[Ian Noble]

I accept.

Without a doubt Indiana loses this trade. I don't know what jedi mind trick Chauncey played here.

But I'm really impressed that Chauncey has started out this strong. This is exactly the kind of trade that's going to lift Detroit out of the shit zone, and they need all the help they can get.

The Trade Committee exists to stop teams from ruining themselves. This doesn't ruin Indiana. Larry Bird's been around as long as anybody here. I don't think he's done a great job in the long run, and if Larry continually made trades like this then yes we'd have to get really strict, but in my opinion this is a fantastic start to Chauncey's career in Detroit, exactly the kind of start he can be proud of, exactly what's going to make a GM stick around for the duration of Detroit's very long winded rebuild.

Detroit wins hands down, but I don't think Jeff Green is the kind of player we reject over.

[Larry Bird]

1-2 reject

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Feb 11, 2018 9:06:40 GMT Ian Noble said:

I accept.

Without a doubt Indiana loses this trade. I don't know what jedi mind trick Chauncey played here.

But I'm really impressed that Chauncey has started out this strong. This is exactly the kind of trade that's going to lift Detroit out of the shit zone, and they need all the help they can get.

The Trade Committee exists to stop teams from ruining themselves. This doesn't ruin Indiana. Larry Bird's been around as long as anybody here. I don't think he's done a great job in the long run, and if Larry continually made trades like this then yes we'd have to get really strict, but in my opinion this is a fantastic start to Chauncey's career in Detroit, exactly the kind of start he can be proud of, exactly what's going to make a GM stick around for the duration of Detroit's very long winded rebuild.

Detroit wins hands down, but I don't think Jeff Green is the kind of player we reject over.

The 2nd paragraph basically means Indiana was ruined, and continue to be ruined, in his tenure. 

[Larry Bird]

So I guess this means this trade should be rejected.

[Ian Noble]

Feb 11, 2018 13:56:33 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

Feb 11, 2018 9:06:40 GMT Ian Noble said:

I accept.

Without a doubt Indiana loses this trade. I don't know what jedi mind trick Chauncey played here.

But I'm really impressed that Chauncey has started out this strong. This is exactly the kind of trade that's going to lift Detroit out of the shit zone, and they need all the help they can get.

The Trade Committee exists to stop teams from ruining themselves. This doesn't ruin Indiana. Larry Bird's been around as long as anybody here. I don't think he's done a great job in the long run, and if Larry continually made trades like this then yes we'd have to get really strict, but in my opinion this is a fantastic start to Chauncey's career in Detroit, exactly the kind of start he can be proud of, exactly what's going to make a GM stick around for the duration of Detroit's very long winded rebuild.

Detroit wins hands down, but I don't think Jeff Green is the kind of player we reject over.

The 2nd paragraph basically means Indiana was ruined, and continue to be ruined, in his tenure. 

Nope.

I think Indiana have gone up and down, but they're not in a good place right now. They have all their draft picks at least.

[Ian Noble]

Feb 11, 2018 14:01:16 GMT Larry Bird said:

So I guess this means this trade should be rejected.

There are five on the TC. We're currently at 2-1. There's two more to make their decision.


Ian Noble - accept
Alex English - reject
Danny Longley - reject
Walt Frazier
Bryan Colangelo

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Feb 11, 2018 14:16:13 GMT Ian Noble said:

Feb 11, 2018 13:56:33 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

The 2nd paragraph basically means Indiana was ruined, and continue to be ruined, in his tenure. 

Nope.

I think Indiana have gone up and down, but they're not in a good place right now. They have all their draft picks at least.

When was the last time that they were on a good place??

And kindly define a good place, first.

[Larry Bird]

2012-13 was the last time we were in a semi good place.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Feb 11, 2018 14:36:56 GMT Larry Bird said:

2012-13 was the last time we were in a semi good place.

Ian Noble kindly take note. 

[Ian Noble]

Feb 11, 2018 14:40:10 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

Feb 11, 2018 14:36:56 GMT Larry Bird said:

2012-13 was the last time we were in a semi good place.

Ian Noble kindly take note. 

hahah see! up and down

Seriously though I will feel really bummed out for Detroit if this deal doesn't get passed, I feel quite strongly it should be accepted for the reason I stated in my original post above.

[Larry Bird]

I feel your trade analysis is incredibly one sided and reading through it, it feels like a reject, but then you look again and it’s an accept.

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Feb 11, 2018 9:06:40 GMT Ian Noble said:

if Larry continually made trades like thisthen yes we'd have to get really strict

where you been

[Kevin Hollis]

Feb 11, 2018 15:11:23 GMT Ian Noble said:

Feb 11, 2018 14:40:10 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

Ian Noble kindly take note. 

hahah see! up and down

Seriously though I will feel really bummed out for Detroit if this deal doesn't get passed, I feel quite strongly it should be accepted for the reason I stated in my original post above.

Understand your position, but to accept based on Detroit being in a terrible position I dont agree with. Indiana is getting absolutely nothing in return in this deal besides one of the worst contracts in the league. This may help Detroit, but really hurts Indiana. Sorry Larry, just my opinion.

[Alex English]

I haven't rejected this trade. I was just staring at it totally confused as to what Indiana could see in this. Jeff Green on an expiring contract isn't too valuable though, so while it's a terrible trade, I'm not sure it's worth a reject. Taking on Mozgov's contract is really the worst part for me, he's a prime salary dumping candidate. Is Indiana going to pay to get rid of him later after paying to acquire him now? That's the sort of compounding effect that really screws up your team imo. So that's what could make this trade a reject for me, but I'm not decided yet.

[Larry Bird]

Maybe it’s best if Green stay a Pacer and Hunter and Mozgov stay Pistons?

[Walt Frazier]

I need a minute on this one.

Larry Bird - It seems kind of like you regret this trade already. Not sure it would influence me one way or the other, but do you still want to do this trade?

[Larry Bird]

Walt Frazier - No.

[Ian Noble]

Feb 11, 2018 18:15:22 GMT Larry Bird said:

Walt Frazier - No.

It's up to Chauncey Billups whether we even continue then - and he shouldn't feel bad for saying he wants to continue! It's always been the case that:

May 4, 2012 19:00:22 GMT Ian Noble said:

Dynasty Five's Trading Regulations.
Keep all trade offers and negotiations limited to Private Messages (PMs) between teams.

• GMs cannot change their mind about a trade once they've posted the trade thread or replied with an acceptance.

Chauncey Billups it's up to you. Do we continue?