Magic Johnson
Former Lakers GM
Sophomore
Posts: 458
Feb 27, 2024 20:39:01 GMT
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jan 22, 2018 16:55:29 GMT
Not my players, will probably be the only stock watch discussion post I'll make before leaving the league. BUT PG: 92 Butler: 88 Suggested rating: Butler to 92, or PG dropped to 90 and Butler move up to 90 This came off Ian's idea of Curry being rated lower 93 vs westbrook/harden 96 MIN and OKC both improved with addition but you can clearly see the transformation with MIN with Butler addition, OKC is still OKC (RW still runs the ship), on the other hand CHI is not even a playoff caliber team but IND is still a good team without PG. Butler is avg more PT, only 0.1 back REB, more APG, better FG, slightly worse SPG, and obviously worse off 3 pt shooting. Butler is third in the league in real plus-minus, george is 33, Butler is first in WINS provided (basically like WARS in MLB), PG is 22nd. Butler also has a higher PER than PG. Butler 7th in EWA, George 30th, Butler higher TS percentage, while also doing this with a lower usage rate than George. Defensive win shares, PG slightly better 18th, Butler 23rd. stats.nba.com/players/defense/?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1BUT if you check this www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?season=2016&category=ADVANCED&group=1&sort=5&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0Butler DEF RTG is 31st, and PG is somewhere in the top 75 or something. Now does it help that Butler have Wiggins and KAT on the team on defense, ABSOLUTELY but at the same token PG does have RW and Steven Adams. Now that everything has been brought together let the discussions begin.
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Kevin Hollis
Former Thunder GM for 7 years
All Star
Posts: 2,838
Dec 16, 2022 11:27:40 GMT
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 22, 2018 17:18:23 GMT
This will be really confusing to keep track of. Probably better if you make two separate posts.
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Magic Johnson
Former Lakers GM
Sophomore
Posts: 458
Feb 27, 2024 20:39:01 GMT
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jan 22, 2018 17:48:26 GMT
This will be really confusing to keep track of. Probably better if you make two separate posts. I'll re arrange the post in bullet format so it looks better in a new post.
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Magic Johnson
Former Lakers GM
Sophomore
Posts: 458
Feb 27, 2024 20:39:01 GMT
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jan 22, 2018 18:04:46 GMT
BOLDED is who has the better stats right now
Team Record Wolves 30-18 OKC 26-20
Games played - PPG-RPG-APG-BLG-SPG-TO
Butler - (45) - 21.7 - 5.4 - 5.0 - 0.4 - 1.2 George - (43) - 20.8 - 5.5 - 3.0 - 0.6 - 2.2
FG-3PT-FT-TO-PF
Butler - .476 - .354 - .875 - 1.9 - 1.2 George - .436 - .429 - .809 - 2.8 - 3.1
REAL PLUS MINUS - WINS
Butler - 5.55 - 8.74 George - 2.63 - 5.57
PERS-EWA-USAGE-TS
Butler - 23.73 - 10.9 - 24.2 - .589 George - 18.12 - 5.9 - 24.5 - .572
Defensive Win Shares
Butler - 0.045 George - 0.048
Defensive rating (the lower the better0
Butler - 105.4 George - 107.4
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 22, 2018 18:39:58 GMT
I think both should be 88's
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 22, 2018 18:45:31 GMT
PG might be a little overrated but Jimmy is all good
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Post by Jared Montini on Jan 23, 2018 2:08:08 GMT
Jimmy 89.5 PG 88
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 27, 2018 13:19:25 GMT
PG: 92 Butler: 88
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 27, 2018 13:23:27 GMT
PG 89 Jimmy 89
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Kevin Hollis
Former Thunder GM for 7 years
All Star
Posts: 2,838
Dec 16, 2022 11:27:40 GMT
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 27, 2018 13:31:16 GMT
PG 91 Jimmy 88
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 27, 2018 17:46:20 GMT
George has way better stats considering their usage is basically the same. I don't see the point.
George was overrated a bit anyways lower him to 90 and be done.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 3, 2018 0:45:01 GMT
I guess I'll go 91 for PG And, 89.5 for JB
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 3, 2018 14:51:46 GMT
89 for both
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 10, 2018 6:09:44 GMT
Editing for new thoughts. Butler's team is better than Georges.
Butler's 2nd fiddle to Towns
GEORGE IS 2ND FIDDLE TO WESTBROOk
Westbrook is better than Towns.
Whos the better 2nd fiddle, George or Butler?
Butler Clearly.
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