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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 21, 2018 22:55:39 GMT
Cleveland Cavaliers Send:79 Jeremy Lin - $13,000,000 - $13,000,000 - $13,000,000 71 Lance Thomas - $1,000,000 - $1,000,000 2019 PHX 1st Total: $14,000,000 Brooklyn Nets Send:83 Jrue Holiday - $12,500,000 - $13,000,000 75 Willie Cauley-Stein - $2,254,200 - $2,874,105 - $3,914,531 Total: $14,754,200 Our discussion started in December 1 and we ended up with this trade. I accept the trade. I am not sending out a top 7 pick in the 2019 draft unless I at least get good players and release some cap space. Getting Jrue for 3/4 of a season and an advantage in his free-agency is fine. WCS is having a very good season. We agree that WCS's ceiling could only be around 83 but with his age, I am fine with that. Overall, I am fine with the trade. Hoping for your quick approval.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 0:21:09 GMT
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Post by Jared Montini on Jan 22, 2018 1:37:52 GMT
Nice move bkn
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Post by Alex English on Jan 22, 2018 1:52:47 GMT
I'm going to vote to reject. If Jrue was locked up long term then maybe I could go for it, but he's 100% opting out at that salary. There's too much risk here that Cleveland trades Lin and a top 5 pick in 2019 for just WCS.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 22, 2018 2:58:04 GMT
I'm really surprised you couldn't get Bam or someone of that caliber in addition to WCS in these negotiations.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jan 22, 2018 3:28:16 GMT
I woulda gave up more for my pick lol
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 22, 2018 5:49:48 GMT
Choo choo
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 22, 2018 7:30:49 GMT
I am super torn on this trade, as Hanamachi can tell you. I think you guys are really undervaluing Willie Cauley-Stein. He has 3 years left on a rookie deal and is already putting up good offensive stats with very solid defensive potential. In fact, it is funny that Jeremiah Hill says this trade is lopsided as this is what he said about WCS in PMs the other day: In fact, for anyone to call this trade lopsided is a little silly. I just gave up two potential top 5 picks and Rodney Hood for Andrew Wiggins, who you all hate. I bet a lot of you would even value WCS more than you value Wiggins. I know Jeremiah does. How then, is a potential top 5 pick + a salary dump for an 83 point guard and WCS in any way unfair? There is a huge double standard going on here. I almost didn't even make this trade because it is a massive gamble for my team. WCS is a surefire 80 rating in the next year or two, and I think his potential is 83-84. I am giving that up for a chance to draft someone in about a year and a half, who may or may not even ever become an 80. Sure, my player could become a 90, but more likely than not he doesn't. I want to build a championship contender, so I am making the gamble of trading my surefire 80 for a small chance at a 90. What more exactly could you get for the PHX pick than WCS? Who himself was a #6 pick? Hanamachi has had it on the block for months and apparently no one gave a better offer. I feel like Jrue Holiday is also being entirely discredited here. He has an 83 rating and has no reason to not re-sign with the Cavs. Hanamachi is trading me Lin so he has cap space to re-sign Jrue. Why wouldn't Jrue want to play with Porzingis? Anyway, rant over. I'm sad to see WCS go but as I said above it is a gamble I feel I must make. This trade will also hopefully catapult Cleveland above me in the standings and get me a better pick this year.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 22, 2018 7:53:45 GMT
I do not value WCS over Wiggins. I just think Wiggins is overrated as hell.
My comment was merely that I thought he could have squeezed WCS and another lower level prospect out of you. I personally don't think this trade is THAT bad. They've certainly approved worse before.
However I think this trade is weak for Hana despite that I think he should easily resign Jrue. My problem with Jrue and the main reason I didn't pull the trigger for him earlier this season is his long and storied injury history, that's a huge worry for Hana especially since he's an older guard.
WCS is interesting, but that's kinda it. Decent bigs aren't particularly hard to find outside of Towns, Jokic, Porzingis types.
I find the thought process weird trying to pair a PG in his prime with Porzingis especially with Beverley in the mix.
Had I been him I would have tried to use this pick to get Russell off Washington or perhaps a prospect or two off Jay Z.
But valuewise its probably fair, however the timing makes little sense to me.
The overall lesson is that picks are valuable because any team can become injury rattled like the Cavs did this year. If your season sinks that pick is insurance against the season being a waste.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 13:01:30 GMT
WCS is someone who can't play the 4 offensively and can't play the 5 defensively, good luck WCS ever starting anywhere.
That said, I don't think it's a rejectable trade. Just a really really good one for Josh.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jan 22, 2018 20:47:08 GMT
I accept. I'm a big fan of Willie Cauley-Stein to be honest. I think he's going to be a great player for the Kings. Josh is taking the approach that Phx will be garbage next year and draft a big guy in the top 5. Even if he does that, it will take a few years for the guy to develop.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 22, 2018 21:46:26 GMT
@josh
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 22, 2018 21:49:12 GMT
I accept. I didn't like it for Cleveland on first inspection but once you factor-in Cleveland not owning their own picks in consecutive years until 2022 it begins to make more sense. The Cavs can't tank so why not see where this leads them? It should get them back to where they were the last two years at least: a low-seed playoff team. A team like the Cavs can profit from the whole hard cap situation that's looming this off season for a lot of teams as well I suppose, and that could push them beyond being a low-seed. PHX 2019 1st is a hot asset though, I'm surprised they couldn't milk more out of Josh! I think I have a lower opinion of Cauley-Stein compared to others.
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Post by Danny Longley on Jan 22, 2018 22:53:34 GMT
Accept as well.
I'm not a huge fan of it for Cleveland, but I don't think it's rejectable.
Lin's value is shot because of injury, not sure you want to be paying 13m a year for a 31-32 year old guard coming off injury anyway. I can see WCS hitting the higher 70s - low 80s at some point in his current contract and CLE doesn't have their pick, so I guess I'm fine with calling the Jrue rental a positive.
I'm sure there's a better deal in terms of value, but this doesn't exactly make me uncomfortable enough to reject.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 23, 2018 9:56:52 GMT
Trade passed
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