Indiana - Orlando

[thegame]

Sept 26, 2012 1:59:59 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Sept 25, 2012 20:32:55 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

That's fine. But Stoudimire has always benefited from a good supporting cast. Nash is a great example of this. Once Stoudamire left PHX, he was never the same player. Blame it on injuries or whatever you will, but Bosh was a lot more dominant, especially when he was on the Raptors with nobody around him. They are very different players as well, Stoudamire is a much more intimidating, powerful player, and Bosh was more finesse and had a good post/back to the basket game.

How many times did the "dominate" Bosh lead the Raptors to the playoffs IN THE POST-JORDAN EAST!?!?!?!?!?! To me, it's not even close that Amare is better than Bosh. He always has been and always will be. In my opinion, unless a chance occurs within the real life Knicks, Amare needs to be traded to another team where he can be the superstar.

As far as this trade, Indiana raped. However, their GM has been a good one for a long time and I am happy to see him catch a break. Plus, you know Orlando is going to trade Chandler and Amare at some point; let's just get it over with.

In what aspect is Amare better than Bosh in? Offensively I give bosh the edge as their both face up players that reply heavily on the jumper. Bosh has the better jumper, and is the better defender.

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Sept 26, 2012 2:24:54 GMT @thegame said:

Sept 26, 2012 1:59:59 GMT Vlade Divac said:

How many times did the "dominate" Bosh lead the Raptors to the playoffs IN THE POST-JORDAN EAST!?!?!?!?!?! To me, it's not even close that Amare is better than Bosh. He always has been and always will be. In my opinion, unless a chance occurs within the real life Knicks, Amare needs to be traded to another team where he can be the superstar.

As far as this trade, Indiana raped. However, their GM has been a good one for a long time and I am happy to see him catch a break. Plus, you know Orlando is going to trade Chandler and Amare at some point; let's just get it over with.

In what aspect is Amare better than Bosh in? Offensively I give bosh the edge as their both face up players that reply heavily on the jumper. Bosh has the better jumper, and is the better defender.

You, of all people, should know how bad Bosh is. HE COULDN'T GET YOUR RAPTORS TO THE PLAYOFFS IN A WEAK POST-JORDAN EAST WITH THE HELP OF BARAGANI, CALDERON, DEROZAN, HEDO, MARION, JO, AND MORE!!!!!!!! I mean Wade with Miami before "The Decision" and Lebron with Cleveland would have KILLED for that starting 5!

[Magic Johnson]

Sept 26, 2012 2:26:45 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Sept 26, 2012 2:24:54 GMT @thegame said:

In what aspect is Amare better than Bosh in? Offensively I give bosh the edge as their both face up players that reply heavily on the jumper. Bosh has the better jumper, and is the better defender.

You, of all people, should know how bad Bosh is. HE COULDN'T GET YOUR RAPTORS TO THE PLAYOFFS IN A WEAK POST-JORDAN EAST WITH THE HELP OF BARAGANI, CALDERON, DEROZAN, HEDO, MARION, JO, AND MORE!!!!!!!! I mean Wade with Miami before "The Decision" and Lebron with Cleveland would have KILLED for that starting 5!

This post is FAIL on soo many levels

DeRozan - he played with him for only one year, and that one year was with DeRozan as a rookie who was VERY RAW as a player at the time, upside was T-Mac/Carter level but many people were skeptical about him.

JO - Washed up and useless more at the time then with Celtic, you know who they gave up for JO, ONE AND ONLY ROY HIBBERT who's getting traded in this situation (ORL-IND).

Hedo - This one is a EPIC FAIL on itself so I am not even gonna say anything out of respect for Raptors fans.

Marion - average player that was INJURED most of that year and played better with Dallas, he only played 27 games the one year when he played with the Raptors.

Calderon - underrated above average PG, but really not a ELITE PG, just good, really good role player

Bargnani - FAIL as a BIG MAN (CENTER POSITION), great as a stretch 4, just like Bynum/Gasol weren't great first, same goes for Bosh/Bargs, not Bosh or Bargs fault but someone had to play out of position.

Vince Carter - played only half of 2004 season and quit on the Raptors by that point.

So if you look at it his best teammates at that time it was only Bargnani, Calderon, and Mike *****ing James, Mike ****ing James, man.

[thegame]

Yeah I saw Bosh trying to lead a team that did not have the star power to compete. Amare has been privilege to play with Nash, Marion ( prime), shaq,etc. Now he is playing with Melo,Tc who hides all his defensive flaws.

Before Amare got hurt he was better, but Amare has not been the same player since 2005 imo. Right now Amare has an identical game as bosh. Amare used to be like a Blake Giffen, but he has lost a step or two.

...that amare is better than Bosh, but that Amare is no more.

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Sept 26, 2012 3:59:11 GMT @thegame said:

Yeah I saw Bosh trying to lead a team that did not have the star power to compete.

Lebron and Wade did it!

[Glenn Robinson]

I hope you're really not comparing Lebron and Wade with Bosh.

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Sept 27, 2012 1:32:06 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

I hope you're really not comparing Lebron and Wade with Bosh.

I'm not, it just was not that hard to lead your team to a playoff birth back then.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Sept 25, 2012 14:05:10 GMT Ian Noble said:

I think the point that Mr Troy Bolton is trying to make is that the trades are not dissimilar from each other (see Indiana - Miami), which is certainly a fair point to make, there's not much in it between Bosh and Amare.

One major difference I can think of instantly is that the Heat are the league leading force right now and trading Bosh would be crazy, that was certainly used as a reason for rejection in that trade. But Orlando are doing well with Amare also and trading him doesn't make much sense either.

I'm at work I don't have much time to type right now.

I think trade committees should atleast be 10 persons so that we can have different opinions.

[thegame]

Sept 27, 2012 3:10:19 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Sept 27, 2012 1:32:06 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

I hope you're really not comparing Lebron and Wade with Bosh.

I'm not, it just was not that hard to lead your team to a playoff birth back then.

Can you name me one big who can single handedly lead his team to the playoff without another star?

The only name that comes to mind is Dwight, but Howard is on a different level than Bosh and Amare. Plus D12 had a better supporting cast than Amare.

KG as great as he is missed the place off for three years before going to Boston.

IMO if you placed Amare instead of Bosh on those Toronto teams we would have been worst.

[Ian Noble]

Sept 27, 2012 5:01:14 GMT Shaquille O'Neal said:

I think trade committees should atleast be 10 persons so that we can have different opinions.

It would take too long for a trade to be passed, but maybe one extra person - and 4 accepts required per trade - would be an idea.

[Larry Bird]

Dirk.

[Glenn Robinson]

It would take too long for a trade to be passed, but maybe one extra person - and 4 accepts required per trade - would be an idea.

I'm your guy, Ian!

[Larry Bird]

Antwan Walker

[Magic Johnson]

Antoine Walker LOL, he had Pierce and T. Delk with him.

True for Dirk though, but even he had Chandler Barea and deep team, outside of him.

[Glenn Robinson]

Oh god Tony Delk. There's a name I haven't heard in a long time haha

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Sept 27, 2012 7:59:05 GMT @thegame said:

Sept 27, 2012 3:10:19 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I'm not, it just was not that hard to lead your team to a playoff birth back then.

Can you name me one big who can single handedly lead his team to the playoff without another star?

The only name that comes to mind is Dwight, but Howard is on a different level than Bosh and Amare. Plus D12 had a better supporting cast than Amare.

KG as great as he is missed the place off for three years before going to Boston.

IMO if you placed Amare instead of Bosh on those Toronto teams we would have been worst.

There is a HUGE difference between the Western Conference and the Post-Jordan Eastern Conference, as any serious fan knows.

As far as the TC, I believe I have the most past experience of anyone not on it

[Glenn Robinson]

Regardless if there's a huge difference between the west and post Jordan east, if Amare was on that Toronto team, he wouldn't be able to get that team into the playoffs either, and they would have been worse.

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Sept 27, 2012 20:52:39 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

Regardless if there's a huge difference between the west and post Jordan east, if Amare was on that Toronto team, he wouldn't be able to get that team into the playoffs either, and they would have been worse.

I disagree.

[Glenn Robinson]

Yea I know you disagree but what skills does Amare have that makes you think he can lead a team by himself? He has and always will need a player along side him to either take the scoring load or set him up with dunks etc, like Nash did. Bosh at least had more of an all around game that aloud him to be more of an impact player on both ends of the court. Team record aside, Bosh was a better player.

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Sept 28, 2012 3:51:16 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

Yea I know you disagree but what skills does Amare have that makes you think he can lead a team by himself? He has and always will need a player along side him to either take the scoring load or set him up with dunks etc, like Nash did. Bosh at least had more of an all around game that aloud him to be more of an impact player on both ends of the court. Team record aside, Bosh was a better player.

Just look at Bosh and look at Amare and you can tell who is better. Bosh is a goofy dude who has some decent skills, while Amare is a big dunking jumping man.

[thegame]

Sept 28, 2012 4:13:39 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Sept 28, 2012 3:51:16 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

Yea I know you disagree but what skills does Amare have that makes you think he can lead a team by himself? He has and always will need a player along side him to either take the scoring load or set him up with dunks etc, like Nash did. Bosh at least had more of an all around game that aloud him to be more of an impact player on both ends of the court. Team record aside, Bosh was a better player.

Just look at Bosh and look at Amare and you can tell who is better. Bosh is a goofy dude who has some decent skills, while Amare is a big dunking jumping man.

If you look at Dirk he is kind of goofy looking, but base on your analysis a big dunking jumping man such as Blake should be better. Amare was better, but like i have said he lost a step. He is not as explosive as he once was, he is not longer than high flyer. His game now is a replica of Bosh's, but Bosh is better. Has a better jumper, better face up player, better post up player, better defender.

[Ian Noble]

Imho Bosh > Amare, but not by much. I don't feel that either of them could lead a championship calibre team though.

[Glenn Robinson]

Just look at Bosh and look at Amare and you can tell who is better. Bosh is a goofy dude who has some decent skills, while Amare is a big dunking jumping man.

"Big Dunking Jumping Man" are usually nothing but a flash in the pan. I'll give you that Amare is a good player, but how many of these big jumping men actually do good in the NBA for multiple years? Look at Tyrus Thomas or Hakim Warrick or Stromile Swift. I could go on and on about these types of players. Amare is the best out of this lot, but when it comes to overall talent, Bosh is the clear winner.

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Sept 28, 2012 14:28:22 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

Just look at Bosh and look at Amare and you can tell who is better. Bosh is a goofy dude who has some decent skills, while Amare is a big dunking jumping man.

"Big Dunking Jumping Man" are usually nothing but a flash in the pan. I'll give you that Amare is a good player, but how many of these big jumping men actually do good in the NBA for multiple years? Look at Tyrus Thomas or Hakim Warrick or Stromile Swift. I could go on and on about these types of players. Amare is the best out of this lot, but when it comes to overall talent, Bosh is the clear winner.

What about guys like Shaq, Chamberlin, Russell?

[thegame]

Sept 28, 2012 17:58:31 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Sept 28, 2012 14:28:22 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

"Big Dunking Jumping Man" are usually nothing but a flash in the pan. I'll give you that Amare is a good player, but how many of these big jumping men actually do good in the NBA for multiple years? Look at Tyrus Thomas or Hakim Warrick or Stromile Swift. I could go on and on about these types of players. Amare is the best out of this lot, but when it comes to overall talent, Bosh is the clear winner.

What about guys like Shaq, Chamberlin, Russell?

Those guys are different from amare, Amare is a face up player. I have never seen Wilt or Bill player, but Shaq was a force. Base on what I have seen and know..it would be wilt, shaq, then bill in that order.