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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 21, 2018 13:02:18 GMT
Chauncey.. It is not about you.. If you try to understand the arguments, you will actually see that they are INDIRECTLY praising you for your ability to induce those "deals" from the other GMs. So calm down.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 21, 2018 13:53:16 GMT
I know this is a bit of an odd / different thing, since Ghazny was around before, but, this is his first trade with the Kings and this trade is certainly not ruining his team. And, many other GMs could get better value out of those 3 picks than out of that one pick, with as late as that 1st is. There are hardliners on both sides of the TC debate, we reject too many, then we pass too many. Oh well. There could be more value for this pick, yes. There could be a better time for this pick, yes. Is it rejectable in a vacuum, all things being equal? No. But we don't operate in a vacuum. There's a reason why some teams around the league have no assets and are picked dry. Its because time and time again the TC rationalizes trades by saying things like you said, "this isn't rejectable" By the time the TC is in a position to say a trade will put the team in a really bad position, its usually far too late. Its a hard line to balance and to follow, I understand. And I don't know where to start, but I feel like trades like this need to have a stronger stance than a 4-0 pass or whatever. The TC needs to put people on notice. I agree with the general concept and sentiment here. I just happen to think this particular trade falls just short of the line. If it was his own pick, I may reject. If it was only 2 2nds, I may reject. If it was a 1st in any future year, I may reject. We know just enough about the 1st this year and he gets enough theoretical value that this trade is ok. I've actually held a late 1st and couldn't get more than 2 mid 2nds in some drafts, during the draft. I really think this one is ok.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 21, 2018 15:57:37 GMT
Chauncey.. It is not about you.. If you try to understand the arguments, you will actually see that they are INDIRECTLY praising you for your ability to induce those "deals" from the other GMs. So calm down. Hana, I'm highly aware of what's going on and what's being said, it's just the arguments they're presenting are fucking ridiculous. These same 3-4 people that make it their business to bash the teams that I'm dealing with affects me with future deals. It makes it difficult for me to trade with other teams in the future. I'm 100% baffled that a superstar like Porzingis was traded and the TC accepted the trade before you even said a word, with one of the key assets being the league-wide hated Wiggins, with hardly any discussion, but they have a problem with a trade that involves a 2nd rounder and Timofey Mozgov. That's beyond stupid. If people around here don't see that then they're choosing to be ignorant and continue to promote their own agendas when they shouldn't. One of the main arguments against my trade with Larry was Mozgov's long contract, but then I turn around and see this new 3 team trade that "royally fucks" JR's cap situation for the next 4-5 years, and ultimately fucks his team in general for the foreseeable future, AND he gives up his FUTURE 1ST AND 2ND FOR NO FUCKING REASON, and nobody is saying anything. Matter of fact, already has 2 TC's approvals. That's on top of JR's track record and the fact that he's mentioned he may not be around in the years to come. Are you serious? But a trade that involves Mozgov and a 2nd round pick is rejected because those are the trades that screw a team. Oh, and pick #29 for three 2nd round picks, people have a problem with. Get the fuck out
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 21, 2018 18:43:37 GMT
Hana, I'm highly aware of what's going on and what's being said, it's just the arguments they're presenting are fucking ridiculous. These same 3-4 people that make it their business to bash the teams that I'm dealing with affects me with future deals. It makes it difficult for me to trade with other teams in the future. I generally don't have a problem with complaining, heck I was kind of a whiny bitch complainer as well when I was newer to the league. But this post, and most of your recent complaints just strike me as whining without bothering to see what constitutes a reject in this league. Every member of the committee has their own way of looking at trades - I personally usually reject when I can't find a positive for one side involved, heck I voted reject on something as minuscule as this trade just because it didn't feel quite right for the Spurs. I'm sure if you actually bothered to look through trades instead of focusing on the your first trade that got rejected, you'll see that we generally have patterns to each of our decisions. We don't just switch angles because whenever we feel like it. As for bashing the teams in the deal: If we reject, then there has to be something wrong with the trade. If there's something wrong with the trade, then of course we have to state what we think is wrong. I personally wouldn't want to read just "Reject" on my trades, especially knowing how much effort comes behind them. As for agendas, jeeeesus fucking christ - I don't know if anyone actually gets anything, but the only actual difference I've seen from being a member of the TC is an extra sleepless month when OSFA hits. I do it because I love this league, I love basketball and I appreciate the space that Ian has provided for us - even though some people here make me feel like i'm going to pop a vein. /rant
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 21, 2018 18:47:51 GMT
Hana, I'm highly aware of what's going on and what's being said, it's just the arguments they're presenting are fucking ridiculous. These same 3-4 people that make it their business to bash the teams that I'm dealing with affects me with future deals. It makes it difficult for me to trade with other teams in the future. I generally don't have a problem with complaining, heck I was kind of a whiny bitch complainer as well when I was newer to the league. But this post, and most of your recent complaints just strike me as whining without bothering to see what constitutes a reject in this league. Every member of the committee has their own way of looking at trades - I personally usually reject when I can't find a positive for one side involved, heck I voted reject on something as minuscule as this trade just because it didn't feel quite right for the Spurs. I'm sure if you actually bothered to look through trades instead of focusing on the your first trade that got rejected, you'll see that we generally have patterns to each of our decisions. We don't just switch angles because whenever we feel like it. As for bashing the teams in the deal: If we reject, then there has to be something wrong with the trade. If there's something wrong with the trade, then of course we have to state what we think is wrong. I personally wouldn't want to read just "Reject" on my trades, especially knowing how much effort comes behind them. As for agendas, jeeeesus fucking christ - I don't know if anyone actually gets anything, but the only actual difference I've seen from being a member of the TC is an extra sleepless month when OSFA hits. I do it because I love this league, I love basketball and I appreciate the space that Ian has provided for us - even though some people here make me feel like i'm going to pop a vein. /rant It would be easy to know what constitutes a reject if you all were consistent, don't you think?
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 21, 2018 18:59:33 GMT
It would be easy to know what constitutes a reject if you all were consistent, don't you think? Well then, please do cite where I or we've been wrong. I'd honestly love to know where I've been inconsistent in my votes.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 21, 2018 19:03:24 GMT
It would be easy to know what constitutes a reject if you all were consistent, don't you think? Well then, please do cite where I or we've been wrong. I'd honestly personally love to know where I've been inconsistent in my votes. Please see above posts for references. Telling me to go back and look through trades when you can't look through this thread
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 21, 2018 19:12:41 GMT
This trade didn't even get rejected, where's the controversy?
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 21, 2018 19:19:36 GMT
Well then, please do cite where I or we've been wrong. I'd honestly personally love to know where I've been inconsistent in my votes. Please see above posts for references. Telling me to go back and look through trades when you can't look through this thread I was asking you to pull other trades, because you're so obviously unable to see what's wrong with your trade, but fine I'll lay out my breakdown again. For SAC - IND: Ind Receives: Timofey Mozgov - Major Negative, huge contract, unproductive player RJ Hunter - Minor negative, small-ish contract but still above minimum Cliff Alexander - Largely Irrelevant Sac Receives: 2nd Round Pick Whatever - Minor Positive Indiana gains major negative value while giving up the only positive in the deal, so ultimately it was a reject. For CLE - BKN(Initial trade) Cle Receives: Zach Lavine - Mid Positive? has shown out post-injury but still feels like a #2/3 guy at best Andrew Wiggins - Mid Positive? also feels like a #2/3 guy at best, so many holes in his game IMO preventing him from being a true star PHX 1st - Mid-High Positive - projected lottery pick BKN Receives: Kristaps Porzingis - High+ Positive, Huge variable due to ACL injury but is the best player in the deal and we've made people pay for superstars/projected superstars in the past. Quincy Pondexter - Minor Positive, decent roleplayer on okay-ish deal. Both teams get something, Cleveland spreads out, BKN gets to gamble on a superstar so I'm ultimately fine with it. There's my side. You can be as much of a wise-ass as you want but I refuse to stoop to your level.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 21, 2018 19:23:25 GMT
Please see above posts for references. Telling me to go back and look through trades when you can't look through this thread I was asking you to pull other trades, because you're so obviously unable to see what's wrong with your trade, but fine I'll lay out my breakdown again. For SAC - IND: Ind Receives: Timofey Mozgov - Major Negative, huge contract, unproductive player RJ Hunter - Minor negative, small-ish contract but still above minimum Cliff Alexander - Largely Irrelevant Sac Receives: 2nd Round Pick Whatever - Minor Positive Indiana gains major negative value while giving up the only positive in the deal, so ultimately it was a reject. For CLE - BKN(Initial trade) Cle Receives: Zach Lavine - Mid Positive? has shown out post-injury but still feels like a #2/3 guy at best Andrew Wiggins - Mid Positive? also feels like a #2/3 guy at best, so many holes in his game IMO preventing him from being a true star PHX 1st - Mid-High Positive - projected lottery pick BKN Receives: Kristaps Porzingis - High+ Positive, Huge variable due to ACL injury but is the best player in the deal and we've made people pay for superstars/projected superstars in the past. Quincy Pondexter - Minor Positive, decent roleplayer on okay-ish deal. Both teams get something, Cleveland spreads out, BKN gets to gamble on a superstar so I'm ultimately fine with it. There's my side. You can be as much of a wise-ass as you want but I refuse to stoop to your level. Wise ass? Just stating facts. Can't help you if facts offend you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 19:26:27 GMT
Maybe it's because your trade is collusiony bullshit. Ghazny said twice he did this trade because "it helped Detroit out" and no one cared. Maybe just shut the fuck up and be glad you got a trade passed that shouldn't have been.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 21, 2018 19:28:26 GMT
Maybe it's because your trade is collusiony bullshit. Ghazny said twice he did this trade because "it helped Detroit out" and no one cared. Maybe just shut the fuck up and be glad you got a trade passed that shouldn't have been. Hahahaha ok bro, don't twist his words
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 19:29:13 GMT
Maybe it's because your trade is collusiony bullshit. Ghazny said twice he did this trade because "it helped Detroit out" and no one cared. Maybe just shut the fuck up and be glad you got a trade passed that shouldn't have been. Hahahaha ok bro, don't twist his words I'm not, read what he said. I didn't even say anything because after he posted that twice I was sure the trade would get rejected, but I guess we are seeing why the TC needs rotated here.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 21, 2018 19:31:24 GMT
Hahahaha ok bro, don't twist his words I'm not, read what he said. I didn't even say anything because after he posted that twice I was sure the trade would get rejected, but I guess we are seeing why the TC needs rotated here. Same way Jeremiah tried to twist his words, saying he's the one who should refuse when in fact Ghazny was saying he can't refuse a good trade
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 19:33:26 GMT
I know what I'm doing. don't underestimate a 2nd rounder pick. I know all of you thinks DET win this trade, it doesn't matter to me I think this is just a fair trade that will lift DET again, I know I don't have an obligation to help DET but this is my way of helping in fair way. Did anyone who accepted this even read this post?
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