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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 4, 2017 20:42:53 GMT
Lal trades
78 Alec Burks 14,274,744 $15,844,966 17,429,463 2021 1st LAL
PHX trades cash considerations
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jul 4, 2017 20:44:20 GMT
Lakers accept.
Small price to pay but I get to rid of Burks contract of my books while freeing up more space this summer to sign other star FA.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 4, 2017 20:45:30 GMT
How much cash?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 4, 2017 23:18:01 GMT
Mannnn, I hate when teams move future 1sts if they aren't like, locked in as a powerhouse. So, if Chicago moves his 2020 or 2021 1st, I'm OK. But a middle-ground team? It's really, really risky. And I don't think Alec Burks or his contract are THAT bad. But, I don't know what he's doing with this cap. It better be a slam dunk guarantee that he's using it to get a stud that will be around in 2020 to make his 2021 pick pretty good. I need to think about it tbh. Chauncey Billups - It's not any real-world cash. He's giving up his cap space to eat Burks' contract.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 4, 2017 23:21:32 GMT
Mannnn, I hate when teams move future 1sts if they aren't like, locked in as a powerhouse. So, if Chicago moves his 2020 or 2021 1st, I'm OK. But a middle-ground team? It's really, really risky. And I don't think Alec Burks or his contract are THAT bad. But, I don't know what he's doing with this cap. It better be a slam dunk guarantee that he's using it to get a stud that will be around in 2020 to make his 2021 pick pretty good. I need to think about it tbh. Chauncey Billups - It's not any real-world cash. He's giving up his cap space to eat Burks' contract. I know it's not real world cash... but cash considerations means you give the other team cash, possibly from your own cap. I just assumed cash considerations would mean one team gives another money from their salary cap.
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Jul 4, 2017 23:37:06 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 4, 2017 23:37:06 GMT
Mannnn, I hate when teams move future 1sts if they aren't like, locked in as a powerhouse. So, if Chicago moves his 2020 or 2021 1st, I'm OK. But a middle-ground team? It's really, really risky. And I don't think Alec Burks or his contract are THAT bad. But, I don't know what he's doing with this cap. It better be a slam dunk guarantee that he's using it to get a stud that will be around in 2020 to make his 2021 pick pretty good. I need to think about it tbh. Chauncey Billups - It's not any real-world cash. He's giving up his cap space to eat Burks' contract. I know it's not real world cash... but cash considerations means you give the other team cash, possibly from your own cap. I just assumed cash considerations would mean one team gives another money from their salary cap. It's probably a misleading term but it just looks better than Gives: Nothing. The value they are giving is taking the salary of Burks. So, they're using their cap space in this trade, and getting a pick as compensation.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 4, 2017 23:53:53 GMT
I know it's not real world cash... but cash considerations means you give the other team cash, possibly from your own cap. I just assumed cash considerations would mean one team gives another money from their salary cap. It's probably a misleading term but it just looks better than Gives: Nothing. The value they are giving is taking the salary of Burks. So, they're using their cap space in this trade, and getting a pick as compensation. In the NBA teams have an allotted amount they can send out, they can also buy draft picks with this money too. Nothing to do with salary cap. A 2021 first is a long ways away. Lot can happen between now and then. And as Walt said, it isn't as if they have stars locked up. They have Kemba, that's it.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 4, 2017 23:56:00 GMT
Jared and I are the dumpster boys as we take the crap no one else wants! Great job, Jared!
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 5, 2017 0:02:18 GMT
Jared and I are the dumpster boys as we take the crap no one else wants! Great job, Jared! another mans trash is another mans treasure, as long as a pick comes with it.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 5, 2017 1:08:43 GMT
Never been a fan of the trade something and get nothing in return.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 5, 2017 1:11:17 GMT
Never been a fan of the trade something and get nothing in return. It happens in real life
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 5, 2017 1:17:07 GMT
Never been a fan of the trade something and get nothing in return. It happens in real life Yes. But there's cash involved and it's usually to poor teams. The problem isnt isn't that it's for nothing, imo. The problem is that it's for a 1st in 2021. That's so far down the road and they were in the lottery this year. I get that teams can get better, but in my time here, I don't think anyone has traded a 1st for cap space. What happens in Magic doesn't get his player he wants? It would be disastrous.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2017 7:16:29 GMT
Gonna be honest. I've taken way more salary in exchange for only a 2nd, I just don't see how year after year GMs fail to see the benefit of holding onto 1sts. Look at where Detroit was this season, actually look at all of the teams missing 1sts. How many were in the lotto? How many of those teams could have used even a 15-25 pick?
A first round draft pick is a guaranteed guy who's on your team for 2 years who if drafted in the top 15-20 is probably a guaranteed 70 or so. They need one decent season to be a free 4 year player at a 75 rating at a reasonable contract.
This trade has 2 times the amount of negative for LAL, there is a chance that pick is a lotto pick AND Alec Burks comes back and ends up being decent. You mean to tell me that PHX couldn't have at least tossed a few of their 500 2nd rounders to LA.
I don't see this trade getting through the trade committee, it might if LA gets a few random future 2nds and maybe a couple of Phoenix's Euro Stash type players they picked in the 2nd round this season.
Remember, trades can squeak through in the offseason, they always do. But trades involving first rounders are ALWAYS scrutinized heavily, even if the trade is involving one of the teams who are contending.
I'm not gonna say whether this trade is 100% a no go, but I do think that it should be altered a bit to make it more fair to LAL and I'm only saying that because I know Phoenix can make that happen.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 5, 2017 9:59:33 GMT
This should be a reject...
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 5, 2017 10:41:42 GMT
I do reject this one. Magic Johnson this is a lazy trade imho. Maybe if that 1st Rounder was not in there I would accept, but it's not like Alec Burks is a slouch, he's a promising young player, you could shed cap and pick up someone decent if you looked around.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jul 5, 2017 12:46:39 GMT
I think you guys are overestimating Alec Burks. He hasn't played good meaningful minutes in years now
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 5, 2017 15:26:15 GMT
I cant accept this, I think that Lakers pick is way to much.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 5, 2017 17:04:42 GMT
I need to reject this as well. Too much potential value in that 1st and Burks isn't that bad imo. Heck, with Hayward leaving IRL, this could be a very lopsided deal.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jul 6, 2017 1:02:57 GMT
what about if PHX throws in 2 2nd rd picks
BTW how do I tag the mods.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 6, 2017 1:04:25 GMT
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jul 6, 2017 1:06:24 GMT
(det)
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 6, 2017 1:09:06 GMT
when you want to tag someone you put the @ sign then there username
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jul 6, 2017 1:09:48 GMT
I would really really appreciate if the TC really reconsider this trades, I have commitments from a couple of players who's names I cannot say and there is a strong chance I resign Harrison Barnes and with barnes walker and the 2 players that I might sign LAL will have a strong enough core where the 2021 pick will really be a useless pick.
Plus Alec Burks is grossly overrated I don't really rate him at all and consider him a bum. He isn't going to suddenly improve after 6-7 years not every player after 4-5 years of getting no chances do they become solid like say for example Alan Anderson who improved a lot.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jul 6, 2017 1:11:47 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 6, 2017 8:30:19 GMT
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