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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 1, 2017 13:02:31 GMT
 Brooklyn Nets Send:81 Rudy Gay - $17,249,400 72 KJ McDaniels - $1,882,873 - $2,779,120 71 Joe Harris - $1,355,476 - $1,504,578 - $1,670,082 72 Tyler Ennis - $2,222,256 - $3,153,382 Total: $22,710,005  San Antonio Spurs Send:83 Jrue Holiday - $12,500,000 - $12,500,00069 Anthony Bennett - $3,749,680 Total: $16,249,680 Spurs have ~$12m in cap space and can absorb the additional salary Brooklyn accepts- JR has three point guards and we have like five wings so this trade makes a lot of sense for both teams |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 1, 2017 13:40:49 GMT
Wow I suppose this shores up the Spurs small forward position for a season.
Doesn't this mean that it becomes impossible to re-sign Jonas Valanciunas though?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 1, 2017 13:49:32 GMT
Wow I suppose this shores up the Spurs small forward position for a season. Doesn't this mean that it becomes impossible to re-sign Jonas Valanciunas though? He only had $12,000,000 before which likely made it very difficult. Now, I'd say impossible unless no one else wants Jonas in the league. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jul 1, 2017 15:52:16 GMT
Didn't the Spurs just trade a 1st round pick for Jrue a couple weeks ago?
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 1, 2017 16:05:50 GMT
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jul 1, 2017 16:09:33 GMT
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 1, 2017 16:17:43 GMT
after that contract holiday just got, these are both one year rentals
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 1, 2017 16:18:00 GMT
Wow I suppose this shores up the Spurs small forward position for a season. Doesn't this mean that it becomes impossible to re-sign Jonas Valanciunas though? He only had $12,000,000 before which likely made it very difficult. Now, I'd say impossible unless no one else wants Jonas in the league. JR has BRs on Jonas, he was on a rookie deal, wasn't he? |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 1, 2017 18:41:51 GMT
Thats What I thought. I thought I could match any offers..
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 1, 2017 18:43:33 GMT
Turner did not play well for us and did not mesh with our other guys. Plus his fitst season in Portland was horrible or below what he's capable of. Rudy Gay will ve a huge upgrade.
Spurs Accept.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 1, 2017 19:51:47 GMT
He only had $12,000,000 before which likely made it very difficult. Now, I'd say impossible unless no one else wants Jonas in the league. JR has BRs on Jonas, he was on a rookie deal, wasn't he? Here I am blanking out on the new role. Yes, you right. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 1, 2017 19:59:16 GMT
JR has BRs on Jonas, he was on a rookie deal, wasn't he? Here I am blanking out on the new role. Yes, you right. did he claim them though? Because it doesn't show that he has on the Free Agency List.... The way I understood the new rule is that anyone traded who is on a rookie deal has BRs to the team destined. So long as it is a first round contract (I think, not sure on that part, that was the caveat to RFA) |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 1, 2017 20:01:28 GMT
Oh! Jonas was a 2011 draftee and only just finished his rookie contract because he deferred for a year! But JR Wiles did not claim his bird rights... |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 1, 2017 20:28:36 GMT
That's because he was not on the list. I've been busy and I didn't have time to fight about it.
Of course we would have picked him up.
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 1, 2017 20:31:31 GMT
Im active as possible guys but if it's something new...I need help or I'll miss out because my life outside here is hard enough. It's been a rough 3 years and counting!!
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 1, 2017 20:40:33 GMT
Im active as possible guys but if it's something new...I need help or I'll miss out because my life outside here is hard enough. It's been a rough 3 years and counting!! Honestly, I think JR should get the BRs. I think that it's dumb we have to claim BRs on a player, as if it were something we wouldn't want. It makes more sense to have to renounce them than to claim them. Avoids things like this that suck. Especially if JR is saying is true, that Jonas wasn't on a list to be notified he needed to claim them. While im generally for every GM being mindful of the circumstances surrounding their players, and have a stake in this in that I own his 2019 first, it's shitty to have this happen to someone. And logically, it doesn't make sense to have to claim them because everyone usually wants them. It makes more sense to have to renounce them if you don't want the cap hold. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 1, 2017 20:57:16 GMT
Oh! Jonas was a 2011 draftee and only just finished his rookie contract because he deferred for a year! But JR Wiles did not claim his bird rights... See above. It's also not lost on me that claiming BRs is a tracking issue, so that Ian can track who has them with player movement, but now that the rookie contract rule is in, its a little different. Moreover, I feel like GMs will provide who has them to you when the time comes, rather than have someone lose BRs because they forgot to bring it up in a post. |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 1, 2017 21:36:44 GMT
I know there was a post about player/team options, but I dont see or know where it would state Jonas had BRs. And as I said and most will that re-signing or matching Jonas was my #1 priority. So many new things added to the league I dont honestly know if I have time. I mean I thought I could match if anything..and if we had BRs I def would sign Jonas. Just figured I would match any GM.
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 1, 2017 21:45:35 GMT
Yes, this thread is about the trade. SORRY.
I have 3 point guards. Who was I suppose to trade??
Thomas - My fab and best player...NOPE
Rose - Just signed him to a huge contract. I still believe in his game though. He might have went instead if salary not so much. I actually just got an offer to trade him for an expiring. I still think he has better upside than Holiday. Lose a first..gain our weakest position..SF.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 1, 2017 22:39:20 GMT
That's ok JR, I think we can allow some leeway in this instance. Jonas is an anomaly player in this situation since he was drafted in 2011.
I'll edit the OSFA List and *asterisk his name to show you have BRs.
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 1, 2017 23:20:35 GMT
Thanks..
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 2, 2017 13:06:25 GMT
Does this have any votes?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 2, 2017 16:20:15 GMT
I'll accept this. I hope JR has considered that he's also taking in $7,437,080 for NEXT season for 3 players that don't have a lot of value, and he's going to be up against his cap to the point of not really having enough to bring someone like Rudy back. But, maybe that's a problem for another day. Not enough here to reject, but I also don't see any reason why this isn't just Gay for Jrue tbh.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 2, 2017 19:10:24 GMT
accept
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 20:09:27 GMT
Hey I do like he idea of renouncing rights instead of picking them up, not only does it lead to less things like this, but also less work/posts to check in general.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 2, 2017 21:56:46 GMT
Why would Valanciunas have BRs? I thought the new rule only impact rookie deals not currently expiring this offseason (i.e. starts next offseason)?
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Post by Alex English on Jul 2, 2017 22:24:38 GMT
Accept
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 3, 2017 3:10:00 GMT
I don't think claiming bird rights should be necessary, its just something that you have on a player. If you don't want them, then don't offer a contract.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 3, 2017 3:33:11 GMT
I don't think claiming bird rights should be necessary, its just something that you have on a player. If you don't want them, then don't offer a contract. And if you see you have a cap hold for the following season and you want that money but don't want the player, that's when you make it known you are renouncing BR's. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 3, 2017 8:23:51 GMT
Why would Valanciunas have BRs? I thought the new rule only impact rookie deals not currently expiring this offseason (i.e. starts next offseason)? Josh is actually more correct here. JR Wiles - Josh is correct after all, Bird Rights on rookie contracts do not refer to 2012 rookies, it starts with 2013 rookies, so this has to apply to Jonas Valanciunas as well. Apologies guys I haven't had much time to be able to make decisions because I'm moving house, but I believe that is the defining factor in whether Jonas has BRs. |
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