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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 2, 2017 14:40:57 GMT
So, Jae Crowder. Since we changed our BR rules on the fly, I totally missed that he was coming off of his Rookie Contract. If we're giving JR the leniency on Jonas Valanciunas, I'd also like to get a 1-day leniency on Jae Crowder. He was coming off of his 1st-Round Rookie contract and I clearly would have claimed BR's on him. I feel like a fool, as I dealt Oladipo already with the singular intention of clearing up more cap for Jae, when I should have just had BR's on Jae and not needed to deal him in the first place. Point being, I clearly would have claimed his BR's had I been not confused and thinking about the old BR rules. I'm an idiot, but have a bit of mercy on me. I've owned him 2 full seasons and clearly would want his BR's. The spirit of this new rule should be automatic BR's, and if you don't want them, you have to renounce them. Especially this first season, IMHO. I've already punished myself by dealing Oladipo right before he goes to a much better situation for him IRL. :-( Ian Noble Wait........ I don't think rule changes will take effect retroactively? |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 2, 2017 14:53:27 GMT
So, Jae Crowder. Since we changed our BR rules on the fly, I totally missed that he was coming off of his Rookie Contract. If we're giving JR the leniency on Jonas Valanciunas, I'd also like to get a 1-day leniency on Jae Crowder. He was coming off of his 1st-Round Rookie contract and I clearly would have claimed BR's on him. I feel like a fool, as I dealt Oladipo already with the singular intention of clearing up more cap for Jae, when I should have just had BR's on Jae and not needed to deal him in the first place. Point being, I clearly would have claimed his BR's had I been not confused and thinking about the old BR rules. I'm an idiot, but have a bit of mercy on me. I've owned him 2 full seasons and clearly would want his BR's. The spirit of this new rule should be automatic BR's, and if you don't want them, you have to renounce them. Especially this first season, IMHO. I've already punished myself by dealing Oladipo right before he goes to a much better situation for him IRL. :-( Ian Noble Wait........ I don't think rule changes will take effect retroactively? I'm not sure what you really mean here. Jae's class is now the first class to have BR's on their 1st Round Rookie contracts. That is my understanding. I simply missed claiming them since we changed them on the fly and I was stuck in my old thinking of "3 years in a row on the same team for BR's". Ian has allowed JR to have BR's on Valanciunas, although I understand he was a 2011 draftee, he was also coming off of his 1st Round Rookie contract since he didn't come over his 1st season after being drafted. I'm just asking for a small leniency on a player I've owned for 2 years plus part of a 3rd season (though there was a trade inbetween), and who I clearly would want BR's on if I wasn't confused / forgot about the rule change we did recently. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 2, 2017 15:04:29 GMT
Wait........ I don't think rule changes will take effect retroactively? I'm not sure what you really mean here. Jae's class is now the first class to have BR's on their 1st Round Rookie contracts. That is my understanding. I simply missed claiming them since we changed them on the fly and I was stuck in my old thinking of "3 years in a row on the same team for BR's". Ian has allowed JR to have BR's on Valanciunas, although I understand he was a 2011 draftee, he was also coming off of his 1st Round Rookie contract since he didn't come over his 1st season after being drafted. I'm just asking for a small leniency on a player I've owned for 2 years plus part of a 3rd season (though there was a trade inbetween), and who I clearly would want BR's on if I wasn't confused / forgot about the rule change we did recently. Did Jae played with you in the last three seasons? |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 2, 2017 15:13:30 GMT
I'm not sure what you really mean here. Jae's class is now the first class to have BR's on their 1st Round Rookie contracts. That is my understanding. I simply missed claiming them since we changed them on the fly and I was stuck in my old thinking of "3 years in a row on the same team for BR's". Ian has allowed JR to have BR's on Valanciunas, although I understand he was a 2011 draftee, he was also coming off of his 1st Round Rookie contract since he didn't come over his 1st season after being drafted. I'm just asking for a small leniency on a player I've owned for 2 years plus part of a 3rd season (though there was a trade inbetween), and who I clearly would want BR's on if I wasn't confused / forgot about the rule change we did recently. Did Jae played with you in the last three seasons? No. 2 seasons. Bird Rights now transfer with 1st Round Rookie contracts. |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 2, 2017 18:33:05 GMT
As Ian knows Spurs pick up BRs on Jonas Valanciunas.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 2, 2017 23:21:17 GMT
Honestly though, why do we need to claim the BR's. In Real Life they are automatic and implied unless you renounce. This is another factor that caused this whole thing to be confusing.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 3, 2017 1:53:04 GMT
Ugh, you guys know how much I hate these arbitrary and capricious Bird Right rules. Despite still being arbitrary, I do like that we are trying to expand BRs to 1st round rookie deals and hope it will expand even more. The Bird Rights are so important, however, that we need to make sure that we give them to every player that deserves them. This includes Jae Crowder, Jonas V., and any other player.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 3, 2017 13:11:45 GMT
Honestly though, why do we need to claim the BR's. In Real Life they are automatic and implied unless you renounce. This is another factor that caused this whole thing to be confusing. Was Jae actually on his rookie deal though? Or was he cut and signed? because I think he was cut and signed in real life by the MAvs then traded back to Boston |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 3, 2017 14:08:40 GMT
Honestly though, why do we need to claim the BR's. In Real Life they are automatic and implied unless you renounce. This is another factor that caused this whole thing to be confusing. Was Jae actually on his rookie deal though? Or was he cut and signed? because I think he was cut and signed in real life by the MAvs then traded back to Boston Two things - The 1st Round Rookie BR thing doesn't count for Jae's class, so it's a moot point anyway. - Jae was on his rookie deal in here still, which is all that matters for us. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 3, 2017 14:34:58 GMT
Was Jae actually on his rookie deal though? Or was he cut and signed? because I think he was cut and signed in real life by the MAvs then traded back to Boston Two things - The 1st Round Rookie BR thing doesn't count for Jae's class, so it's a moot point anyway. - Jae was on his rookie deal in here still, which is all that matters for us. what do you mean 1st Round Rookie BR thing doesn't count for Jae's class? I don't even know where I said that? I thought Jae was cut/moved around a lot in real life, I figured if he were cut in real life, he probably would have been cut by someone in here, seeing that and thinking he isn't worth it |
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 3, 2017 14:42:15 GMT
Two things - The 1st Round Rookie BR thing doesn't count for Jae's class, so it's a moot point anyway. - Jae was on his rookie deal in here still, which is all that matters for us. what do you mean 1st Round Rookie BR thing doesn't count for Jae's class? I don't even know where I said that? I thought Jae was cut/moved around a lot in real life, I figured if he were cut in real life, he probably would have been cut by someone in here, seeing that and thinking he isn't worth it Lol, this debate should be described as "arbitrary and capricious." |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 3, 2017 15:09:00 GMT
Two things - The 1st Round Rookie BR thing doesn't count for Jae's class, so it's a moot point anyway. - Jae was on his rookie deal in here still, which is all that matters for us. what do you mean 1st Round Rookie BR thing doesn't count for Jae's class? I don't even know where I said that? I thought Jae was cut/moved around a lot in real life, I figured if he were cut in real life, he probably would have been cut by someone in here, seeing that and thinking he isn't worth it No, you didn't say that, that's something I said and really the crux of the whole discussion anyway. To my knowledge, jae was never cut in here. Rockets drafted him, I traded for him (giving Royce White) then traded him to Memphis in a roster crunch, then traded for him again and kept him. |
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 3, 2017 16:07:11 GMT
Hey Chuck, Don't let the facts get in the way of your argument because it happened exactly how Walt said in the above post; I think it is fair to assume that you are going after Jae Crowder if you miss our on Durant or George. From Houston to Minnesota: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/3510/minnesota-houstonFrom Minnesota to Memphis: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/3979/mem-minn-milFrom Memphis to Minnesota: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/6598/min-mem-tradeCrowder's contract when acquired from Memphis to Minnesota: $1,856,688/$2,701,481 (see the trade above if you think I am lying)
Crowder's salary on the last year of his contract: $2,701,481 (see attached if you think I am lying)
While I am sure Ian can confirm the whole salary, either no one ever cut Crowder or Walt knew that we would change the rule and made his last year exactly what the last year of his rookie deal would have been "if no one cut him." Either way, good job Walt as I think you deserve BRs for being so crafty!  Attachments:
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 3, 2017 17:17:50 GMT
Hey Chuck, Don't let the facts get in the way of your argument because it happened exactly how Walt said in the above post; I think it is fair to assume that you are going after Jae Crowder if you miss our on Durant or George. From Houston to Minnesota: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/3510/minnesota-houstonFrom Minnesota to Memphis: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/3979/mem-minn-milFrom Memphis to Minnesota: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/6598/min-mem-tradeCrowder's contract when acquired from Memphis to Minnesota: $1,856,688/$2,701,481 (see the trade above if you think I am lying)
Crowder's salary on the last year of his contract: $2,701,481 (see attached if you think I am lying)
While I am sure Ian can confirm the whole salary, either no one ever cut Crowder or Walt knew that we would change the rule and made his last year exactly what the last year of his rookie deal would have been "if no one cut him." Either way, good job Walt as I think you deserve BRs for being so crafty! Im not making a fucking argument, what the fuck? I don't care about claiming BRs in this league. Everyone should have them, they shouldn't need to be claimed. Im not trying to argue against Walt Frazier either, I was just asking if he was cut in here because I know he was in real life, so I thought maybe he was cut in here as well |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 3, 2017 19:43:12 GMT
I remember trading for him or he was on my team already before sending him to Walt, honestly not really sure.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 5, 2017 11:53:58 GMT
Just for posterity this BR issue was resolved because only players from the 2013 draft class onwards can have Bird Rights traded, which means neither Jonas Valanciunas or Jae Crowder have BRs this off season.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 14, 2017 1:49:45 GMT
Just for posterity this BR issue was resolved because only players from the 2013 draft class onwards can have Bird Rights traded, which means neither Jonas Valanciunas or Jae Crowder have BRs this off season. Question, and this situation WILL come up. Scenario: We are in the offseason and the roster page has shifted over. Pretend we're talking about Clint Capela as it stands right now, contract is the cap hold at the moment. Can you trade that cap hold/player to someone? Personally I think that issue borders on sign and trade almost. However, I do think that should be able to be traded up until the end of the draft. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 14, 2017 8:39:53 GMT
Just for posterity this BR issue was resolved because only players from the 2013 draft class onwards can have Bird Rights traded, which means neither Jonas Valanciunas or Jae Crowder have BRs this off season. Question, and this situation WILL come up. Scenario: We are in the offseason and the roster page has shifted over. Pretend we're talking about Clint Capela as it stands right now, contract is the cap hold at the moment. Can you trade that cap hold/player to someone? Personally I think that issue borders on sign and trade almost. However, I do think that should be able to be traded up until the end of the draft. No you can't trade players on expiring contracts, which is Capela. |
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