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Post by Alex English on Jun 15, 2017 2:14:38 GMT
Yes, the two our directly related Oh, so that's why countries besides america have 30% of people getting raped all the time.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 15, 2017 2:50:56 GMT
I'm a bit of a hillbilly. I've shot guns since I was a little kid. Guns are cool. I think there are three main differences in between the United States and the countries that don't have these issues.
Culture, we have a gun culture in a way that other don't. This is the primary driving force against any reasonable gun control changes in the US.
The 2nd being that we don't have much in the way of gun control.
And third, we don't have socialized medicine. Countries with socialized medicine don't have cops killing people and their citizens don't go on shooting rampages.
Billy, the constitution literally has the word regulated in the 2nd Amendment and there is nothing wrong with regulating gun sales. Did you know that in West Virginia they sell AR15's at Walmart?
Single shot rifles and shotguns are the only two weapons you need legalized in order to not damage hunting traditions and shotguns are much better for home defense than a pistol is while also being useful for hunting as well.
However there is such a proliferation of guns in this country that complete outlawing is going to be impossible/ineffective at best. And I've been kinda trying to bring up to liberals to just drop guns as a talking point. It just costs votes and its pointless when the last federal gun law change happened under Bush.
I think the overall message from this shooting is if you start thinking of hurting people over politics its time to take a step back from social media and maybe just stick to the weather channel instead of watching the nightly news. I'm all for debate and people can piss you off, but there's a difference between calling someone an asshole (Hi Kevin) and trying to hurt or kill someone.
However, if we're talking motives, and I'm speculating. The guy's homeless and poor, clearly has some mental health issues and you have Republicans constantly shouting about how the poor are worthless and about how they are going to cut funding for non-profits and food stamps, are cutting consumer protections instituted after the stock crash (potential contribution to the loss of his home).
It's not a good situation, I hope that the Republicans can take a hint about the rhetoric they are spewing and it's effect on our citizens. At the same time, I think Liberals can take chill pill and be aware that not every stupid thing that happens is the end of the world and realize that in the end, if someone wants to do something about it they need to go into politics and work hard to not be corrupt.
Side note in general, I wonder how hard it's gonna be for these politicians to run around jabbering about how deep they can get the National Rifle Association's cock down their throats after being shot at, I wonder how many of them will change their tune.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 15, 2017 2:51:39 GMT
Yes, the two our directly related Oh, so that's why countries besides america have 30% of people getting raped all the time. I'm thinking he was being sarcastic, Kevin's not a moron.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 15, 2017 9:08:42 GMT
Here in London I recently saw 5 kids swinging a baseball bat, a broken wine bottle, a huge knife and their fists at each other on the street.
They all swung and kept missing. In the end they walked off in different directions without anyone getting hurt.
In America, if they had guns, someone would be dead. Fuck that shit.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 15, 2017 10:51:29 GMT
Here in London I recently saw 5 kids swinging a baseball bat, a broken wine bottle, a huge knife and their fists at each other on the street. They all swung and kept missing. In the end they walked off in different directions without anyone getting hurt. In America, if they had guns, someone would be dead. Fuck that shit. Agree, but it's not like we have 10 year olds running around and starting gun wars either. There might be your occasional negligent parent, but you're making it sound like the lollipop guild is a full militia.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 15, 2017 10:53:23 GMT
Here in London I recently saw 5 kids swinging a baseball bat, a broken wine bottle, a huge knife and their fists at each other on the street. They all swung and kept missing. In the end they walked off in different directions without anyone getting hurt. In America, if they had guns, someone would be dead. Fuck that shit. Agree, but it's not like we have 10 year olds running around and starting gun wars either. There might be your occasional negligent parent, but you're making it sound like the lollipop guild is a full militia. Clarify: by kids I mean 18 year olds. I'm 35 now, anyone under 20 is a kid
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 15, 2017 10:53:35 GMT
Yes, the two our directly related Oh, so that's why countries besides america have 30% of people getting raped all the time. A clockwork orange would have ended pretty fast if that woman had a gun.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 15, 2017 10:58:17 GMT
Agree, but it's not like we have 10 year olds running around and starting gun wars either. There might be your occasional negligent parent, but you're making it sound like the lollipop guild is a full militia. Clarify: by kids I mean 18 year olds. I'm 35 now, anyone under 20 is a kid Kind of what jhill said, that is the culture here. Sadly, it is easier to buy guns and drugs than alcohol if your under 21. A lot of changes that need made, but until the baby boomers are out, I don't see any major regulations happening.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 16, 2017 3:02:32 GMT
Trump withdrawing from the Paris climate talks will cause other countries to place higher tariffs on American exports, which will cause Trump to retaliate and further isolate the United States economically. Trump supporters will blame everyone except themselves and the United States will fuck something up hugely that isn't just the environment. Hoping this doesn't happen of course but Jesus fucking Christ Trump is a fucking toddler at the controls. I think at this point, other countries are beginning to understand, and rather than place tariffs on all American made products, they should just place tariffs on all products from companies who fail to comply with the international climate standards. This is an end-around on things, provided that companies want to sell their goods internationally as well as domestically. This doesn't fix the whole problem, but because the larger companies will comply, it will still help. Beyond that, the American markets value climate consciousness. Don't get me wrong, it is a "youge" deal that America withdrew, and it can be a huge problem, but we are at the point in time where the big firms understand what they need to do even if they don't have to.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 16, 2017 3:24:23 GMT
It's more like 30% of America that would be effected. 30% of Americans would be getting raped and have no way to defend themselves if you took guns away? Its a grand idea to take the guns away from Americans, but what happens when that occurs? So you ban the use, sale, and possession of firearms on United States territories, effectively repealing the second amendment. I can still go buy a gun down the hill off some dude in East Cleveland. You can hold these events where people turn in their guns, but what gun owner is now going to turn their gun in after the government banned them? Or is law enforcement now allowed to go ahead and search our homes for guns? Can a police officer have a firearm? If someone wants a gun, they'll go get a gun. The black market economy for guns only grows when guns are banned. I can go buy drugs of all sorts and they are illegal. Convicted felons can't own a gun but they still have guns. What happens to the people in the gun industry who make their living assembling firearms? The local gun shops? The ammunition companies? My point is that where America is now is so far down this road that we cannot simply ban guns and repeal the second amendment. It creates a black market, displaces workers, and will cause the gun owners who aren't shooting people to be outraged and act violently. You hear about something like this every week because you want to hear something like this every week. You could easily turn on a different channel and be ignorant to the shortcomings of our people. Joe down the street who has three handguns, a hunting rifle, a shotgun, and an assault rifle, because he fears they will soon be banned, isn't doing anything illegal by owning those guns and has no plans to kill anyone unless they threaten him, his family, or his residence. Those are the gun owners in America. Not Steve who kills someone because he's deranged and pissed off. So what do we do to stop this problem? This is where I'll differ from mostly everyone in this thread and provide a plausible solution rather than just pile on with problems and argue if it is or isn't a problem. Increase the waiting period when purchasing a gun. This makes it so that if someone plans to kill someone and buys a gun to do so, will have time cool off or will attempt it another way, provided he doesn't go down the street and buy one off the random dude in the neighborhood who sells them. This waiting period would go to all sales, including those at flea markets and gun shows, but would be next to unenforceable in the situation previously mentioned. Which is why we should make everyone register their firearms. People won't like this, and for good reason, but the ones that really don't like this likely won't go out and buy a gun. This also means that if I go out and buy a gun off the street from some dude, there needs to be a bill of sale and registry and failure to do so could mean holding the person who sold it to be liable for the acts committed by the purchaser. Introduce better social programs for troubled people, including the youth. This means instituting better "free" mental health care for those that need it. And increase awareness for those who may be in contact with people who are mentally unstable. Its all grand ideas, and nothing is likely to change, because America is pretty good at ignoring our problems.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 16, 2017 3:33:02 GMT
Here in London I recently saw 5 kids swinging a baseball bat, a broken wine bottle, a huge knife and their fists at each other on the street. They all swung and kept missing. In the end they walked off in different directions without anyone getting hurt. In America, if they had guns, someone would be dead. Fuck that shit. Agree, but it's not like we have 10 year olds running around and starting gun wars either. There might be your occasional negligent parent, but you're making it sound like the lollipop guild is a full militia. Today I was driving around my neighborhood and saw kids fighting too. This wasn't in a good neighborhood and shootings are pretty common around here, but, golly, neither of them pulled out a glock and shot each other. Another thing that needs to be understood here is that kids in the inner cities don't understand the value of a life, and have no other option besides crime which leads to more violence. When you aren't expected to live to be an adult and school ends for the summer with 100 people in your class and you come back in August and there's only 90 because 10 were shot, it changes a person. If you keep kids in school year round, this problem is lessened. And, they have the ability to actually learn things that are important in life or important to them or their future. It also eliminates teachers needing to be paid more, because they now earn for a full year rather than nine months, giving them a quasi rise, as the jobs they have in the summer are likely not paying what they pay in the school year. All schools are funded by the states, and they're already funded pretty poorly, so actually paying for this wouldn't be as difficult as you might think. The Supreme Court has ruled that the way schools are funded in Ohio is unconstitutional but nothing changes, maybe this would get that ball rolling. If these kids get life skills in their education, maybe they don't grow up to be deranged and pissed off at their government and instead take responsibility for their own problems and go and fix them. Also: this should be for everyone under the age of 18. The silicon valley billionaires kids could learn a fourth language or some shit. Not just for those in the inner cities.
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