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Post by Alex English on May 10, 2017 9:51:59 GMT
So this happened: Then this happened: But trust Trump when he tells you they're totally not related... Trump is a traitor. He's started removing people who can get in his way. This is basically the path that led to Nixon's downfall right? So this is the beginning of the end for Trump right? Right? Somehow I doubt it. The Republicans control the entire government and I'm very confident in their willingness to cover everything up and prevent any kind of real justice. These people are cartoonishly evil. They don't give a fuck about doing their jobs. They don't give a fuck about the American people or trying to make their lives better and the country more prosperous. All they care about is "winning" the game of politics and getting rich. These fuckers will burn the country to the ground if it means they gain more power over the Democrats and they can get rich by ruling over the pile of ashes. Here is Exhibit A on that front. Somehow, I also expect Trump supporters to defend and support these moves. If President Hillary Clinton did anything remotely similar they'd be ready to start civil war. They were ready to throw her in jail for using a private email server... but Trump and his cronies trying to get rich with Russian oil money is totally okay. So fuck those people and their fake morality too. They also only care about winning the game of politics. If they were objective in anyway they'd be pissed at Trump's actions. We are truly watching history play out right now. We'll just have to wait and see how it unfolds.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2017 10:29:11 GMT
We're soon going to see just how strong American democracy really is. We're soon going to see who are patriots and who are vultures. One thing that stands out to me, that nobody has mentioned yet, is the wording of Trump's letter: That sentence is the most childish attempt to dodge a bullet I have ever read. It's the most clumsy attempt to claim innocence I've ever seen. It sits all by itself as if stating it actually means Trump is innocent, like as if Trump saying it must make it true. It's textbook Trump simplicity and stupidity. Whether Trump is impeached is just a matter of time now imho. The Establishment is against him, most of the media are against him because his policies aren't pro-business enough, to be able to get away with this level of corruption you need the full weight of Wall Street behind you not just a handful of neo-Nazi businessman like Robert Mercer.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 10, 2017 10:46:45 GMT
I think that leaks from the FBI are going to start flooding in. Despite overall hate from the Democrats he was appointed during the Obama administration and his handling of Hillary's crap and now this Russian investigation is evidence enough of his impartiality for me. I feel he was probably well respected throughout the FBI as well.
This will lead to more firings, potentially more people being implicated and even less support for the president as politicians start to distance themselves from the fire that will likely come from this smoke. We know from the Yates testimonies that Pence is also implicated and I don't know what happens, do you do an buy one get one free impeachment of both of them?
If more firings happen as Trump begins to lose trust in his closest support it would sort of analogous to Hitler ordering the executions of many of his top generals during WWII, which most people who compared the two probably won't see but I'll laugh a bit about it.
What's weird about the whole thing is now Comey can sing like a little bird in private congressional hearings in regards to the Trump case and quite frankly that might be the real lynch pin to bring the whole damn operation down. But who knows.
When the impeachment process of Nixon began it wasn't until like 7-8 months later that anything happened from it. So either way we've got another half a year until something actually happens directly regarding Trump, if anything happens.
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I'm gonna be completely honest, I think everyone kinda hoped that Trump would not be the complete mess that he has been. I don't like the guy but I'm an American first and wasn't actively rooting for his failure, maybe the failure of a few policies I didn't like but not overall complete and utter failure to form an even remotely competent administration that was at least reasonably bullshit free.
But the whole thing has been bullshit. The executive order precedents set by the Bush and Obama administration could allow Trump to have a legitimate damaging effect on our country if he starts getting more unpredictable and crazy in an effort to cover up something if he did anything.
Honestly, I thought this whole Russian collusion thing was kinda bullshit before hearing Yates's testimony. Holy freaking crap though, you mean to tell me both our president and vice president knew that someone was compromised by the Russians and were just fine with it? Yates isn't some liberal nutjob either, she's worked with Republican administrations before at both the state and federal level. I know it's weird for people but non-partisan officials still exist within our judicial system.
Trump hanger ons who don't understand the severity of this need to understand that Flynn was a former general who had access to some of our countries most sensitive and important classified information. That represents a horrible and grave threat to our country's interests both at home and abroad.
The entire thing is mind boggling. Never thought I'd see it, even from an idiot like Trump. The thing is, Trump is business level corrupt. He doesn't have the government connections that someone like a Hillary Clinton had that allowed her to skirt any sort of actual consequences from her email scandal. Despite what republican government officials say in public, the long standing ones all have worked with Hillary at some point or another and she has connections with the people who have connections to them. Trump has none of that, Democrats are chomping at the bit to get to the 2018 elections or to some sort of impeachment and if we're to believe that Trumps really insulting comments to respected republicans (some even dems respect) and quite frankly despite public "support" for Trump I doubt that they would put their necks on the line to protect him from himself. McCain, Ted Cruz, the Bushes, McConnell, all big hitters on the republican side of the fence and I know they've all made critical comments about Trump and have been insulted by him at some point or another.
End result, either in 2020 or earlier than that we'll have a new president. 2018 we'll have a new congress.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 11:03:32 GMT
nothing will happen and the idiots that voted for him are blind
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2017 11:05:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 11:14:39 GMT
$100 dollar bet nothing happens who wants to take it
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2017 11:27:15 GMT
$100 dollar bet nothing happens who wants to take it Right now I would bet at least £5 that Trump will be gone within the next 12 months, but the odds are so good right now I'd get like £5.10 back if I won
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 11:28:09 GMT
$100 dollar bet nothing happens who wants to take it Right now I would bet at least £5 that Trump will be gone within the next 12 months, but the odds are so good right now I'd get like £5.10 back if I won I'll do you 1:1 odds he will be president on May 10th 2018
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2017 12:04:14 GMT
If/when this really starts to threaten Trump I wonder what his Recihstag Fire moment will be (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire)
Most likely a terrorist somethingerather but who knows
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 10, 2017 16:07:15 GMT
$100 dollar bet nothing happens who wants to take it Right now I would bet at least £5 that Trump will be gone within the next 12 months, but the odds are so good right now I'd get like £5.10 back if I won Don't get ahead of yourself. While lots of republicans hate him. Getting tons of people to admit they completely irrevocably screwed up in supporting a certain candidate is a lot different.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2017 16:12:19 GMT
Right now I would bet at least £5 that Trump will be gone within the next 12 months, but the odds are so good right now I'd get like £5.10 back if I won Don't get ahead of yourself. While lots of republicans hate him. Getting tons of people to admit they completely irrevocably screwed up in supporting a certain candidate is a lot different. True, and the scariest thing is if nothing happens I suppose!
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 10, 2017 17:05:17 GMT
We're soon going to see just how strong American democracy really is. We're soon going to see who are patriots and who are vultures. I'll save you the wait; its not very strong, and the vultures greatly outnumber the patriots. I doubt an independent investigation is even launched to dive into this controversy, and I doubt that the FBI continues their investigation into the Russian ties, or at least at the level they once were. Nixon was pretty much caught red handed and with Trump there might be some certainty to everything but no one in the government has to listen or will listen, because they value their jobs. What level do you think this has to be at before Republicans launch an investigation into the President of their own party? Especially when that President is less than half a year into his four year term and elections are on the horizon? Without the political support of the President, the Congress up for reelection who are republicans are gone, even if they were to speak against Trump. The tag of being a republican in this society makes everyone think you are a Trump supporter, which means no previous independents who possibly voted republican will now elect you. So you need Trump's support. The American government effectively began its descent when they decided that elections for a third of congress would be every two years, and political parties were formed. There isn't enough time for anyone to really get anything done, and the time that they do have that isn't spent campaigning is then spent arguing across the aisle. Because of political parties, anyone who votes their conscious or for their constituents lose support both politically and monetarily. Its fucked. And the worst part about it is that those with the power to change these problems are those that created the problem.
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Post by Alex English on May 10, 2017 19:48:19 GMT
Whether Trump is impeached is just a matter of time now imho. The Establishment is against him, most of the media are against him because his policies aren't pro-business enough, to be able to get away with this level of corruption you need the full weight of Wall Street behind you not just a handful of neo-Nazi businessman like Robert Mercer. I have to disagree. The people are against him, by and large, and the democrat establishment is against him, but the republican establishment seems to fully support him, and it's the republicans that control all levels of government right now. I'm with Billy and Chuck. Nothing happens to Trump until at least the 2018 mid-term elections if the democrats can take one of the levels of government, but even then this shit will get dragged out and we'd be at the 2020 election before we knew it. I'd be willing to bet money Trump isn't impeached if the betting lines are so skewed like that. The republicans are a bunch of amoral cockroaches. They care for nothing but themselves. Here is the next part of the story that is more evidence to this fact: They will torpedo any investigation and try and shut everything down. This of course begs the question, how involved are McConnell and the rest of the republican leaders? Are they doing this purely to prevent the optics of a republican president being shamed? Or are they complicit in some way and are really motivated to cover everything up? I think the only way Trump gets impeached is if the democrats take both the senate and the house in 2018, but I think that's almost impossible given the seats that will be up for re-election.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2017 19:52:09 GMT
That's the scariest option for sure: nothing happens.
Our D5 Trumpets remain silent on the matter.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2017 19:55:17 GMT
I visited /r/the_donald today because I wanted to see if any sliver of doubt was allowed to be posted on that subreddit.
None was found.
And that is exactly how you know, for a fact, that Trump and his supporters should be opposed at all times.
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Post by Alex English on May 10, 2017 20:11:49 GMT
I visited /r/the_donald today because I wanted to see if any sliver of doubt was allowed to be posted on that subreddit. None was found. And that is exactly how you know, for a fact, that Trump and his supporters should be opposed at all times. Yea that place immediately bans anything that isn't 100% supportive of Trump. It's pretty funny these people who claim to hate the left and their safe spaces have one of the most tightly moderated safe spaces on the internet.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 20:13:08 GMT
I visited /r/the_donald today because I wanted to see if any sliver of doubt was allowed to be posted on that subreddit. None was found. And that is exactly how you know, for a fact, that Trump and his supporters should be opposed at all times. Yea that place immediately bans anything that isn't 100% supportive of Trump. It's pretty funny these people who claim to hate the left and their safe spaces have one of the most tightly moderated safe spaces on the internet. And they get their news from a website ran by his chief advisor. You can't get any dumber than a trumpeter.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on May 10, 2017 20:42:42 GMT
That's the scariest option for sure: nothing happens. Our D5 Trumpets remain silent on the matter. If you are referring to me, I have not said once that I like or defend Trump. No president, dem or repub, will help the middle class, so I am fucked either way. To think any president is going to impact my life in any way would be naïve. Maybe this makes me part of the problem? Idk. Trump supporters or haters, I am tired of the bitching and complaining. Reality is, less than 60% of the population even votes, and I guarantee most of the idiots that we hear about are in the 40-45% that didn't vote.
My stances:
Abortion: Freedom of choice Guns: Need more restrictions and screw the nra Gay Rights / Marriages: Doesn't bother me, why should it? Education: Needs to be the top priority. This does no include sending anyone and everyone to college. Energy / Environment: Science is real. Discrediting global warming is a joke. Immigration: Need tighter borders / more controlled restrictions. Military: Less funding. Healthcare: America isn't socialistic and never will be. Someone will always get fucked - no one wants to pay for their neighbor without benefiting themselves. Why not create tax breaks based off medical expenses (excluding the rich of course), because we all know 10% agi is complete bullshit. Labor: Labor unions are a thing of the past, no longer needed. Fighting for the right's of workers - today's translation, "pay your fees or we will outcast you". Taxes: Main concentration - tax the rich like no other, but increase the threshold to what is considered "rich". The rich make all their money off investments; whereas, the normal person makes 95% of their income from employer wages. No one is even talking about the NIIT that the Republicans just gave the rich a 3.8% tax break with the repeal. This honestly pissed me the fuck off.
One could easily say that I am more dem than repub.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 10, 2017 21:00:33 GMT
John McCain also known henceforth as the Last of the Respectable Republicans is already calling for an independent probe. For every moronic religious zealot like McConnell (someone just dug up information on his superPAC being given 2M dollars from the Ukraine) there is a normal conservative like McCain. Kind of makes you think about how deep foreign money goes into the GOP that so many are outright against an independent investigation.
Hopefully the can get back to some sense of normalcy by kicking out these crazy right wing idiots taking money from foreign governments all the time. And any people on the left for that matter, lookin at you Hillary "Mrs. Saudi" Clinton. Finally overturn citizen's united which contributes to our politicians being secretly bought and sold by foreign countries and businesses.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 21:01:39 GMT
The Russia stuff is all bullshit deep state stuff. The entire intelligence arm of our government needs fired
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 10, 2017 21:04:16 GMT
Socialized healthcare is coming. Trump is just a bump in the road. Ask any Canadian or Swede or any other country that has government sponsered healthcare if they would rather do things the way America does it. You might actually give them a heart attack from them scoffing so hard. Then they will go get taken care of for free.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 10, 2017 21:06:12 GMT
The Russia stuff is all bullshit deep state stuff. The entire intelligence arm of our government needs fired You know that most of the intelligence workers in that arm have nothing to do with Russia right?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 21:14:17 GMT
The Russia stuff is all bullshit deep state stuff. The entire intelligence arm of our government needs fired You know that most of the intelligence workers in that arm have nothing to do with Russia right? They need fired for other reasons, and no one hired to take their place. That's the important part.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on May 10, 2017 22:20:34 GMT
Apparently the nyt is reporting that comey asked for more resources for the Russia investigation and was turned down. Then only a couple weeks later he's fired. I try not to get sensationalist about this stuff but this stinks to high heaven.
Also personally I respected comey more than any politician. I know dems and Republicans don't like him but I truly believe he did the best job he could given the situation
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 10, 2017 22:59:16 GMT
I visited /r/the_donald today because I wanted to see if any sliver of doubt was allowed to be posted on that subreddit. None was found. And that is exactly how you know, for a fact, that Trump and his supporters should be opposed at all times. Yea that place immediately bans anything that isn't 100% supportive of Trump. It's pretty funny these people who claim to hate the left and their safe spaces have one of the most tightly moderated safe spaces on the internet. Thinking about this reminds me of the episode of South Park where they tell Butters he has to monitor everyone's social media and give them reports of only the nice things people say. Nothing gets sorted out until 2018 UNLESS something huge happens, or *yuge* rather.
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 10, 2017 23:02:57 GMT
Apparently the nyt is reporting that comey asked for more resources for the Russia investigation and was turned down. Then only a couple weeks later he's fired. I try not to get sensationalist about this stuff but this stinks to high heaven. Also personally I respected comey more than any politician. I know dems and Republicans don't like him but I truly believe he did the best job he could given the situation Usually if you are in a politically appointed position in a government agency, and neither party likes you, that means you're doing a good job for the people in general. Which usually then means you get fired. That's a huge problem with agencies in general. Most people with power are political appointee's. Very few have power and aren't at the behest of the President. Which means the PResident effectively runs these agencies, which is how the Constitution has been interpreted to allow him to do. However when these agencies are responsible for investigating into domestic matters of political corruption such as this, among the other things they do, shit gets fucked.
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Post by Alex English on May 16, 2017 1:16:56 GMT
This story just keeps getting worse.
I wonder if a point even exists where republicans will finally be moved to act. Trump just shared info with Russia so highly classified it doesn't even get shared with the US's closest allies and many of their own government officials. The damage Trump has done to the US intelligence community is impossible to calculate. No ally will ever again share valuable info with this buffoon. He'll have his own agencies probably trying to prevent him from knowing things. It's crazy. It's like if you thought up the worst possible way for a president to act, and made them do all those things, you'd end up with Trump.
Yet somehow, I'm sure the 20% of America that are mouth breathing morons who will blindly follow Trump anywhere, will find some way to justify this action. At no point will it occur to them that this is the same type of thing that got them worried about Hillary's private email server, except this is like a hundred times worse. They'll still think he's doing a great job at Making America Great Again, lol.
This shit is getting so crazy there is nothing funny about it anymore. It's just sad a world super power made this dipshit president. Is the US really that dumb? Most people saw this dumbass coming from a mile away, but I doubt even they thought he could be this incompetent/corrupt.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 16, 2017 7:44:29 GMT
Something that rhymes with in peach vent
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Post by Ian Noble on May 16, 2017 8:29:38 GMT
D5 Trump supporters still silent lol
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Post by Ian Noble on May 16, 2017 9:56:44 GMT
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/05/15/trump-is-dangerously-incompetent/?utm_term=.15ae16e08b09The allies never tried to assassinate Hitler because he was a liability to the Nazi war effort. Are the Republicans worse with Trump at the helm? Maybe their damage would be limited if Trump was not impeached? The brains behind the operation (Paul Ryan et al.) would be much more scary if they were in charge imho. It's worth mentioning though that I still believe that a considerable segment of the mainstream media are against Trump because he is too extreme right-wing, even for them. This is exactly the same treatment that a credible left-wing candidate, like Bernie Sanders, would receive from them as well. For me personally it's fantastic to see this quasi-fascist regime being dragged over hot coals, it shows there are limits to the Establishment's brutality, but they would probably be worse towards a centrist or leftist candidate.
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