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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 23, 2017 9:03:47 GMT
Honestly, Ian Noble if you want to post his offer for Khawi I don't care. Anyone that was in the actual running for Khawi at any time will immediately know they had a better chance than Dan did at getting him. That means Charles, James, Shane, Hana, there was a couple others I may be forgetting, ALL we immediately ahead of him because of how much sheer lack of effort he exemplified. His offer looked like something that you would send for a guy you're trying to fill out your bench with. You just need to go back to this signing thread post by Alex English. Everything Alex wrote in that post is the full extent of Dan's offer for Kawhi. If he put 1/10th of the effort into signing Kawhi as he did complaining about not-signing him afterwards, which he did with English that wasn't that bad at all, he could have kept Kawhi on his team.
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 23, 2017 9:44:22 GMT
I guarantee I put in a ton more work on Favors than he did on Kawhi. Does that seem right? And, Danny Longley almost had Favors leave my team even after all that work. On Favors - I don't remember him being a threat to leave when I was handling him, just a reaaaaally weird time regarding contracts and all with the weird POs we had at the time. Pretty sure I kept saying he was leaning towards staying. Greg Monroe's probably a better comparison, but it was more Detroit having next to nothing on the roster at the time rather than Ghazny's communication skills.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 23, 2017 10:43:46 GMT
Honestly, Ian Noble if you want to post his offer for Khawi I don't care. Anyone that was in the actual running for Khawi at any time will immediately know they had a better chance than Dan did at getting him. That means Charles, James, Shane, Hana, there was a couple others I may be forgetting, ALL we immediately ahead of him because of how much sheer lack of effort he exemplified. His offer looked like something that you would send for a guy you're trying to fill out your bench with. IMO it doesn't matter. Why is 3+ years of commitment not a better indicator of loyalty? Especially when you know the GM doesn't speak English well. For the record, I am not blaming you in the slightest as the player agent. Rather, I just sympathy with Dan since public schools in the United States expect teachers to teach English at the secondary level to kids who cannot speak it! :0 Also gonna reply to Vlade Divac There are several GMs in this league that do not speak English as a first language. Like at least 5 I think. One of those guys is Shane who we all know is from the Philippines. I'm not an English teacher. I would be upset if someone denied my offer for a player over a misspelling or minor grammar mistake. Just gonna pull this out of the signing thread: "Hi, The Phoenix Suns would offer Kwahi Leonard max contract of: $172,494,525 1st Yr. $27,697,500 2nd Yr. $30,744,225 3rd Yr. $34,126,089 4th Yr. $37,879,958 (Player Option) 5th Yr. $42,046,753 (Player Option) This is his team and would be build around him. thanks" That looks like my offer for TJ McConnell. When we were comparing the offers we made a special point to try and not let overall length or pretty formatting cloud our decisions. I pulled each offer into a word document and read them without any of the pictures and things like that. To an extent it really sucked that I had 4 or so players who were getting 15 offers ALL very long and detailed and very well put together. In hindsight I think it would have been better had Jimmy Butler had been in the SG pool and perhaps Kevin Durant in the Power Forward pool I would have been able to fix my worst flaw as a player agent which was not getting back to everyone. I didn't realize before becoming a PA that people message daily asking for updates. As a GM I've always done my research, made my offer and then just waited for a reply unless it got to like a week and a half or so. Imagine 5 or 6 people per player messaging asking for updates and the messaging on the forum isn't exactly gmail and can be very difficult to keep organized. It seems that all the GMs would send one offer and then be waiting on a signing to send their backup offer. I wasn't planning on having someone only offer for one player and then waiting. I don't know if other PA's would agree with me, but I would not care if someone had offered for Khawi and Tobias Harris or (insert random player) all at the same time. It would not have mattered to me at all. I think there is something to be said for offering for a lower level guy and having him be your primary target but everyone knew that because of the cap shooting up that there were tons of competitive teams in the running. Thirdly, another issue with Dan's offer, his overall level of inactivity. I'll be the first to admit that he would reply to trade offers and all of that. But the guy had made 10 posts or something in his entire several year career of GM here in D5. Outside of a couple trade offers here or there he made no discernible positive effect on the overall activity level of the league. Now some may say that shouldn't matter, and it isn't a huge factor but lets be real, in comparison everyone who's replied to this trade thread alone is already beating his overall level of activity in an average year. I don't want this to get too long, I'll admit that I can go back through some past signings that I didn't think were right or checked off the right boxes for me when it comes to decisions that were made. Which is why since coming into the league I've pushed for things such as restricted free agency, max contracts to help the little guys out and for people to not be punished for drafting well and not becoming successful as fast which is why it was even THAT much harder for me to take Khawi off the Suns because OMG it's fucking Khawi the 2nd most loyal player after Duncan it seems. I can tell you from being behind the see through mirror none of these decisions made are rash or without thought and I trust that those past decisions that I may not have agreed with were also handled as delicately as possible. Dan lost Khawi because of a complete and utter lack of effort, self accountability and overall poor management of his team. To the teams that did not get Khawi, every offer made excellent points and arguments supporting their bid for him. It had to come down to some seriously knitpicky bullshit because quite frankly that was the only way to differentiate them because they were all so good which is why everyone had right to be a little butthurt about it. Because they ALL put in that effort, they all deserved to get Khawi. I encourage other GMs that have been around for a while to ask Ian to be a player agent. In fact, I'd vote to increase the overall amount of PA's just so people aren't as overwhelmed as I was and know that other player agents get.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Mar 23, 2017 15:38:38 GMT
IMO it doesn't matter. Why is 3+ years of commitment not a better indicator of loyalty? Especially when you know the GM doesn't speak English well. For the record, I am not blaming you in the slightest as the player agent. Rather, I just sympathy with Dan since public schools in the United States expect teachers to teach English at the secondary level to kids who cannot speak it! :0 Also gonna reply to Vlade Divac There are several GMs in this league that do not speak English as a first language. Like at least 5 I think. One of those guys is Shane who we all know is from the Philippines. I'm not an English teacher. I would be upset if someone denied my offer for a player over a misspelling or minor grammar mistake. Just gonna pull this out of the signing thread: "Hi, The Phoenix Suns would offer Kwahi Leonard max contract of: $172,494,525 1st Yr. $27,697,500 2nd Yr. $30,744,225 3rd Yr. $34,126,089 4th Yr. $37,879,958 (Player Option) 5th Yr. $42,046,753 (Player Option) This is his team and would be build around him. thanks" That looks like my offer for TJ McConnell. When we were comparing the offers we made a special point to try and not let overall length or pretty formatting cloud our decisions. I pulled each offer into a word document and read them without any of the pictures and things like that. To an extent it really sucked that I had 4 or so players who were getting 15 offers ALL very long and detailed and very well put together. In hindsight I think it would have been better had Jimmy Butler had been in the SG pool and perhaps Kevin Durant in the Power Forward pool I would have been able to fix my worst flaw as a player agent which was not getting back to everyone. I didn't realize before becoming a PA that people message daily asking for updates. As a GM I've always done my research, made my offer and then just waited for a reply unless it got to like a week and a half or so. Imagine 5 or 6 people per player messaging asking for updates and the messaging on the forum isn't exactly gmail and can be very difficult to keep organized. It seems that all the GMs would send one offer and then be waiting on a signing to send their backup offer. I wasn't planning on having someone only offer for one player and then waiting. I don't know if other PA's would agree with me, but I would not care if someone had offered for Khawi and Tobias Harris or (insert random player) all at the same time. It would not have mattered to me at all. I think there is something to be said for offering for a lower level guy and having him be your primary target but everyone knew that because of the cap shooting up that there were tons of competitive teams in the running. Thirdly, another issue with Dan's offer, his overall level of inactivity. I'll be the first to admit that he would reply to trade offers and all of that. But the guy had made 10 posts or something in his entire several year career of GM here in D5. Outside of a couple trade offers here or there he made no discernible positive effect on the overall activity level of the league. Now some may say that shouldn't matter, and it isn't a huge factor but lets be real, in comparison everyone who's replied to this trade thread alone is already beating his overall level of activity in an average year. I don't want this to get too long, I'll admit that I can go back through some past signings that I didn't think were right or checked off the right boxes for me when it comes to decisions that were made. Which is why since coming into the league I've pushed for things such as restricted free agency, max contracts to help the little guys out and for people to not be punished for drafting well and not becoming successful as fast which is why it was even THAT much harder for me to take Khawi off the Suns because OMG it's fucking Khawi the 2nd most loyal player after Duncan it seems. I can tell you from being behind the see through mirror none of these decisions made are rash or without thought and I trust that those past decisions that I may not have agreed with were also handled as delicately as possible. Dan lost Khawi because of a complete and utter lack of effort, self accountability and overall poor management of his team. To the teams that did not get Khawi, every offer made excellent points and arguments supporting their bid for him. It had to come down to some seriously knitpicky bullshit because quite frankly that was the only way to differentiate them because they were all so good which is why everyone had right to be a little butthurt about it. Because they ALL put in that effort, they all deserved to get Khawi. I encourage other GMs that have been around for a while to ask Ian to be a player agent. In fact, I'd vote to increase the overall amount of PA's just so people aren't as overwhelmed as I was and know that other player agents get. Again, I am not blaming you at all!
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 23, 2017 17:31:16 GMT
For the record, I am not blaming you in the slightest as the player agent. Rather, I just sympathy with Dan since public schools in the United States expect teachers to teach English at the secondary level to kids who cannot speak it! :0 Also gonna reply to Vlade Divac There are several GMs in this league that do not speak English as a first language. Like at least 5 I think. One of those guys is Shane who we all know is from the Philippines. I'm not an English teacher. I would be upset if someone denied my offer for a player over a misspelling or minor grammar mistake. Again, I am not blaming you at all! I just want to make it clear, I could have gotten an offer in Spanish and I woulda plugged it into google translate and done my best. An offer isn't an English Essay paper with points going for grammar and spelling and though length is used a little to discern effort. Having several pages worth of text is going well beyond the minimum and after a certain point you aren't getting anymore credit for simple length at least in my opinion.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Mar 23, 2017 23:55:09 GMT
I just want to make it clear, I could have gotten an offer in Spanish and I woulda plugged it into google translate and done my best. An offer isn't an English Essay paper with points going for grammar and spelling and though length is used a little to discern effort. Having several pages worth of text is going well beyond the minimum and after a certain point you aren't getting anymore credit for simple length at least in my opinion. Lol, I think all 30 GMs needs to be able to at least write a paragraph in English as to why they want to keep a player. As a result, you are the last person I would blame for Kawahi leaving the Suns. Honestly, I thought Dan did a pretty decent job as a GM, not counting this situation, considering he only said like two words most of the time.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 24, 2017 0:39:37 GMT
On Favors - I don't remember him being a threat to leave when I was handling him, just a reaaaaally weird time regarding contracts and all with the weird POs we had at the time. Pretty sure I kept saying he was leaning towards staying. Greg Monroe's probably a better comparison, but it was more Detroit having next to nothing on the roster at the time rather than Ghazny's communication skills. Maybe it was more a feeling but I remember being super uncertain based on my interactions with you. I'll go check the thread.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 24, 2017 0:55:43 GMT
Maybe it was more a feeling but I remember being super uncertain based on my interactions with you. I'll go check the thread. It was more about the contract amount that made me uneasy. Favors was making 12 Million a year at that time, going down to 11 something, then back to 12 million the 3rd year. But, people were throwing money at him and you had to bring the offer DOWN to 17.5 million with full raises. Still irked by it a little (not your fault people offered that much) but I really like Favors so I wasn't going to let him get away. AND, I was also trading away my love Batum so I could bring in Bledsoe and keep Favors.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 24, 2017 10:16:21 GMT
It was more about the contract amount that made me uneasy. Favors was making 12 Million a year at that time, going down to 11 something, then back to 12 million the 3rd year. But, people were throwing money at him and you had to bring the offer DOWN to 17.5 million with full raises. Still irked by it a little (not your fault people offered that much) but I really like Favors so I wasn't going to let him get away. AND, I was also trading away my love Batum so I could bring in Bledsoe and keep Favors. Another issue solved by max contracts and will be even more abetted by restricted FA.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 25, 2017 1:25:53 GMT
Honestly, Ian Noble if you want to post his offer for Khawi I don't care. Anyone that was in the actual running for Khawi at any time will immediately know they had a better chance than Dan did at getting him. That means Charles, James, Shane, Hana, there was a couple others I may be forgetting, ALL we immediately ahead of him because of how much sheer lack of effort he exemplified. His offer looked like something that you would send for a guy you're trying to fill out your bench with. For the record, I am not blaming you in the slightest as the player agent. Rather, I just sympathy with Dan since public schools in the United States expect teachers to teach English at the secondary level to kids who cannot speak it! :0 I don't understand this one. How are you supposed to teach if everyone knows English besides one kid? Political thread topic go!
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Post by Vlade Divac on Mar 26, 2017 16:53:20 GMT
For the record, I am not blaming you in the slightest as the player agent. Rather, I just sympathy with Dan since public schools in the United States expect teachers to teach English at the secondary level to kids who cannot speak it! :0 I don't understand this one. How are you supposed to teach if everyone knows English besides one kid? Political thread topic go! The answer: You water it down to accommodate the one kid who cannot speak English. They also make them take an extra class with a teacher who can speak English.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 26, 2017 19:44:28 GMT
I don't understand this one. How are you supposed to teach if everyone knows English besides one kid? Political thread topic go! The answer: You water it down to accommodate the one kid who cannot speak English. They also make them take an extra class with a teacher who can speak English. So you hold everyone else back for one kid? The no child left behind policy was the dumbest fucking thing ever. All teachers hated it to no end. You can't hold back others because of one kid. It is the parents responsibility to progress the child to be able to participate in class.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Mar 27, 2017 1:00:40 GMT
The answer: You water it down to accommodate the one kid who cannot speak English. They also make them take an extra class with a teacher who can speak English. So you hold everyone else back for one kid? The no child left behind policy was the dumbest fucking thing ever. All teachers hated it to know end. You can't hold back others because of one kid. It is the parents responsibility to progress the child to be able to participate in class. I agree with you 1000%.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 17:27:20 GMT
"Tyler Ulis went off for a career-high 34 points on 15-of-22 shooting during Sunday's home loss, adding nine rebounds, nine assists and one steal in 44 minutes of action."
smdh
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 17:27:44 GMT
worst reject ever
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 3, 2017 18:29:34 GMT
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 3, 2017 18:36:58 GMT
"Tyler Ulis went off for a career-high 34 points on 15-of-22 shooting during Sunday's home loss, adding nine rebounds, nine assists and one steal in 44 minutes of action." smdh all i need is yabusele to become something solid and im good
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Post by Alex English on Apr 3, 2017 18:52:38 GMT
Well yea, the following season KG put up 6 and 6 compared to 18 and 9 from David Lee.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 3, 2017 19:17:41 GMT
Well yea, the following season KG put up 6 and 6 compared to 18 and 9 from David Lee. I'm rescinding Chris Mullin's EOTY!
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 3, 2017 23:36:01 GMT
The RCs are not perfect. They make mistakes and this could be one of them.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 4, 2017 12:53:14 GMT
The RCs are not perfect. They make mistakes and this could be one of them. For me personally, no. It's about value. At the time, Phoenix needed to get more value. Did I know Ulis could maybe do something like this? Yes. I already owned him in fantasy leagues. I like the kid. But, at this time he had proven nothing and the value was off.
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