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Post by Charles Barkley on Sept 29, 2016 19:53:02 GMT
Derrick Rose is washed. His rape rating should be a 99 tho, and his consent rating doesn't matter because he doesn't know what it is.
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 29, 2016 21:28:54 GMT
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Sept 30, 2016 18:07:36 GMT
On a more serious note here are his stats:
16.4 PPG 4.7 APG 3.4 RPG 43.7 FG% 29.3 3FG% 2.3 3PA
13.5 PER 47.9 TS% (League average is around 55% I believe) -3.3 BPM 0.4 WS 25.5 Assist %
So all in all he a pretty good passer who drives to the rim a lot but he's a horrid finisher (51% at the rim) and can't hit mid range jumpers efficently. He also takes waaay too many 3 pointers and shoots a bottom league percentage on them.
His defense has never been great and all the advanced stats show him as a minus on the floor. In fact the Bulls were better with him off the floor. In fact by plus minus he's right between Austin Rivers and Jerian Grant.
I think Derrick might be one of the NBA most overrated players, even now that people have somewhat tempered their expectations.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Sept 30, 2016 18:31:05 GMT
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Post by Charles Barkley on Sept 30, 2016 19:09:22 GMT
Are you trying to say Embiid doesn't know what consent is either? Because he looks confused as well.
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Post by JR Wiles on Oct 1, 2016 18:09:52 GMT
85.
He is still a top PG in the league. Yeah there are a few younger guys these days, but none are consistent. Derrick will still give you 5-8 apg. You tell me how many Pgs are better. 17ppg and 5apg is not that bad at all in the league as a PG. And we dont even know how he is going to do this season coming up. Really he had a decent season last year. Of course coming back from injury his numbers were down and hopefuly they increase in New York...which i believe they will.
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Post by JR Wiles on Oct 1, 2016 18:22:11 GMT
Derrick Rose Stats 2015-2016Was Rose Better in 2015-2016?
Then he went to NY... Rose WILL BE AN ALL-STAR NEXT SEASON..
My opinion is that he is still a top player in the league. A top 10 pg in my opinion. Top 15 Point Guard...Closer to Top 10 my Opinion..
Rose isnt the Same..but hes still a GREAT Player!!The upcoming season is going to tell us everything. I think we need to see where this goes. New York was needed and he seems like he is ready to go. He has high hopes and he feels confident. No one wanted to adjust his rating in the game until I got him. Some may have said something, but why not wait and see what the guys going to do. Its a contract year as well. Why lower him now, when most likely hes is going to go right back up. I mean his rating was what is was the last three seasons after his injury. The guy had a better year health wise and his numbers were not the best but not bad at all. I think a guy avging 16 pts and 5 apg is pretty decent. Could he do bettter? Will he? I am sure he can and I am sure this year and his CONTRACT YEAR with his NEW team is going to tell us everything we need to know and more. The league waited 3 years to lower him...why not one more. If he starts the season bad and by the all-star break lower him as much as you feel the need. The guy is pretty damn good still. I am sure none of you could beat him on your best day. And most NBA players cant as well. I have a good feeling about this season and just like with many things I have made moves in the past where I was right. Where I felt a way about something and it going my way... Rose is going to have a very good year and maybe even an all-star again... (and the rape case will go away before ya know it too, women just want money)
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Post by Charles Barkley on Oct 1, 2016 21:51:56 GMT
85. He is still a top PG in the league. Yeah there are a few younger guys these days, but none are consistent. Derrick will still give you 5-8 apg. You tell me how many Pgs are better. 17ppg and 5apg is not that bad at all in the league as a PG. And we dont even know how he is going to do this season coming up. Really he had a decent season last year. Of course coming back from injury his numbers were down and hopefuly they increase in New York...which i believe they will. If by top PG in the league you mean that he is in the top 30, then yes, he is a top PG in the league. He is not top 10, he is not top 15. He is not where he is currently rated, that needs adjusted.
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Post by James Kay on Oct 1, 2016 23:37:43 GMT
Maybe doesn't deserve to be 85 but we should wait. No point in lowering him right before he starts for a new team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 1:58:39 GMT
81 based off last year (pointing down). if he does better this year we can just increase him
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Post by JR Wiles on Oct 3, 2016 14:37:54 GMT
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Post by JR Wiles on Oct 3, 2016 14:41:29 GMT
Excited to see what Rose and the Knicks can do this season. Expecting great things from him. His confidence is high and if he stays injury free...Look out NBA!!
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Oct 4, 2016 2:12:15 GMT
Derrick Rose Stats 2015-2016Was Rose Better in 2015-2016?
Then he went to NY... Rose WILL BE AN ALL-STAR NEXT SEASON..
My opinion is that he is still a top player in the league. A top 10 pg in my opinion. Top 15 Point Guard...Closer to Top 10 my Opinion..
Rose isnt the Same..but hes still a GREAT Player!!The upcoming season is going to tell us everything. I think we need to see where this goes. New York was needed and he seems like he is ready to go. He has high hopes and he feels confident. No one wanted to adjust his rating in the game until I got him. Some may have said something, but why not wait and see what the guys going to do. Its a contract year as well. Why lower him now, when most likely hes is going to go right back up. I mean his rating was what is was the last three seasons after his injury. The guy had a better year health wise and his numbers were not the best but not bad at all. I think a guy avging 16 pts and 5 apg is pretty decent. Could he do bettter? Will he? I am sure he can and I am sure this year and his CONTRACT YEAR with his NEW team is going to tell us everything we need to know and more. The league waited 3 years to lower him...why not one more. If he starts the season bad and by the all-star break lower him as much as you feel the need. The guy is pretty damn good still. I am sure none of you could beat him on your best day. And most NBA players cant as well. I have a good feeling about this season and just like with many things I have made moves in the past where I was right. Where I felt a way about something and it going my way... Rose is going to have a very good year and maybe even an all-star again... (and the rape case will go away before ya know it too, women just want money) Did you just support your argument by saying none of us could beat Derrick Rose in a game of basketball?
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Post by Charles Barkley on Oct 4, 2016 4:12:39 GMT
Derrick Rose Stats 2015-2016Was Rose Better in 2015-2016?
Then he went to NY... Rose WILL BE AN ALL-STAR NEXT SEASON..
My opinion is that he is still a top player in the league. A top 10 pg in my opinion. Top 15 Point Guard...Closer to Top 10 my Opinion..
Rose isnt the Same..but hes still a GREAT Player!!The upcoming season is going to tell us everything. I think we need to see where this goes. New York was needed and he seems like he is ready to go. He has high hopes and he feels confident. No one wanted to adjust his rating in the game until I got him. Some may have said something, but why not wait and see what the guys going to do. Its a contract year as well. Why lower him now, when most likely hes is going to go right back up. I mean his rating was what is was the last three seasons after his injury. The guy had a better year health wise and his numbers were not the best but not bad at all. I think a guy avging 16 pts and 5 apg is pretty decent. Could he do bettter? Will he? I am sure he can and I am sure this year and his CONTRACT YEAR with his NEW team is going to tell us everything we need to know and more. The league waited 3 years to lower him...why not one more. If he starts the season bad and by the all-star break lower him as much as you feel the need. The guy is pretty damn good still. I am sure none of you could beat him on your best day. And most NBA players cant as well. I have a good feeling about this season and just like with many things I have made moves in the past where I was right. Where I felt a way about something and it going my way... Rose is going to have a very good year and maybe even an all-star again... (and the rape case will go away before ya know it too, women just want money) Did you just support your argument by saying none of us could beat Derrick Rose in a game of basketball? Derrick Rose may be able to beat all of us in a game of 1 on 1, but I hear that he prefers 3 on 1.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Oct 4, 2016 4:16:23 GMT
Derrick Rose Stats 2015-2016Was Rose Better in 2015-2016?
Then he went to NY... Rose WILL BE AN ALL-STAR NEXT SEASON..
My opinion is that he is still a top player in the league. A top 10 pg in my opinion. Top 15 Point Guard...Closer to Top 10 my Opinion..
Rose isnt the Same..but hes still a GREAT Player!!The upcoming season is going to tell us everything. I think we need to see where this goes. New York was needed and he seems like he is ready to go. He has high hopes and he feels confident. No one wanted to adjust his rating in the game until I got him. Some may have said something, but why not wait and see what the guys going to do. Its a contract year as well. Why lower him now, when most likely hes is going to go right back up. I mean his rating was what is was the last three seasons after his injury. The guy had a better year health wise and his numbers were not the best but not bad at all. I think a guy avging 16 pts and 5 apg is pretty decent. Could he do bettter? Will he? I am sure he can and I am sure this year and his CONTRACT YEAR with his NEW team is going to tell us everything we need to know and more. The league waited 3 years to lower him...why not one more. If he starts the season bad and by the all-star break lower him as much as you feel the need. The guy is pretty damn good still. I am sure none of you could beat him on your best day. And most NBA players cant as well. I have a good feeling about this season and just like with many things I have made moves in the past where I was right. Where I felt a way about something and it going my way... Rose is going to have a very good year and maybe even an all-star again... (and the rape case will go away before ya know it too, women just want money) He has not been an 85 for the past 3 years, he has been decreased and decreased since he "came back". Any rational person would have seen this coming....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 12:47:36 GMT
JR he isn't getting lowered because you signed him...
you signed him because no one else wanted him because he was going to get lowered.
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Post by JR Wiles on Oct 4, 2016 14:22:39 GMT
I know how good the guy is still. You guys are just expecting him to be the MVP he once was and the young quick fly by DRose. I see how good he is just like Mike Conley is to Memphis. He is just as good and this season hes going to have his best season in years!! Jokes are cool. Wow, he might lose money. But he wont go to jail and his career is not over. He gets a fresh start on a team he has confidence in. He is healthy and I think he has that confidence back that we have needed. That drive and fire. Overall I think we should wait then vote. It is what it is though. Ill take him lowered and still produce and when he does have his breakout in a contract year and the Knicks do well because of it...I will just keep smiling just like I was when I signed him. I know what he still has left and its about to get good...
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Post by Charles Barkley on Oct 5, 2016 5:26:13 GMT
I know how good the guy is still. You guys are just expecting him to be the MVP he once was and the young quick fly by DRose. I see how good he is just like Mike Conley is to Memphis. He is just as good and this season hes going to have his best season in years!! Jokes are cool. Wow, he might lose money. But he wont go to jail and his career is not over. He gets a fresh start on a team he has confidence in. He is healthy and I think he has that confidence back that we have needed. That drive and fire. Overall I think we should wait then vote. It is what it is though. Ill take him lowered and still produce and when he does have his breakout in a contract year and the Knicks do well because of it...I will just keep smiling just like I was when I signed him. I know what he still has left and its about to get good... You know, I was a firm believer in Derrick Rose, and still hope he does well. I believed he'd bounce back to a Conley/Paul type guy. But it just hasn't been there. And a main reason why I liked him is because of his character about the game of basketball and who he was as a person. Him crying during the Adidas shoe deal was really appealing to me. Me reading his deposition about his civil case he has going on, not so much. You have said he will lose money, and that all women want is money. But you also said his career isn't over because of this, and he very well will play basketball professionally this season. But to me, everything that was appealing about DRose before this summer is gone. All of it. I never bought a DRose shoe, and I don't plan to. But I also don't see Adidas giving him a big shoe deal, or anyone in the future for that matter, if people read the deposition on this case. It is pretty disgusting. Rose asked repeatedly to have group sex with this girl and his friends. Repeatedly she declined. They broke off their relationship. Then, one night, Rose said he was coming over. She said Ok. He said he was bringing his boys. They then gang raped her.
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Post by JR Wiles on Oct 5, 2016 13:54:49 GMT
Your wrong. Believe what you want. Read what you want. Until the guy is guilty he is innocent. The girl was a slut. She knew what she was getting into. She did it before. You cant just read shit and believe it. If the girl was raped she should have went to the police right away. She should have got a rape kit done. She should have done a lot and she didnt. Why? Because she is full of shit. I wonder if it had been just an ordinary joe if she would have taken that guy to civil court? Of course not...because it would have been a waste of time and she would have gotten very little if she would have won. Rose makes an enough money where he could just pay her off and keep this all quiet if he wanted. He is fighting it because its bullshit and he does not want to give up anything to this money leaching slut. It could be a quiet matter and it could be over with. He wants his name out of it and he is willing to lose money and deal with people like you judging him on something that may have happened and if it did it was many years ago. Its been so long she cant even try him for it criminally. I would do the same if I was Rose. You cant just give up money to people that want it or that get close to you and lie to get money. Rose has been a great guy and I know some of the things and high hopes of the upcoming season seem off and make him seem crazy, but he has a new home. He is in a contract season. He feels good and feels confident. About himself and the team. He feels like the roster is the best he has been on and that says alot. Let the guy enjoy it. You never know. But dont put the guy down for recovering from a major injury and still playing above average. And he does play like Conley now. Hes more athletic and he could have alot to prove and show us all this season. You judge based on what you hear but you need to see things for yourself and think about the reasoning behind peoples objectives. Look forward to a great year from Rose!! The knicks as well but Rose is going to play All_Star like and I would not be suprised to see him make it as an All-Star once again. You cant judge a guy that is sure to have a big year. He will come back and have a great year!!! Lets wait and see!! At least until after Christmas. If not by then I will shut up and agree with you all!!
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Post by Alex English on Oct 5, 2016 16:29:36 GMT
Your wrong. Believe what you want. Read what you want. Until the guy is guilty he is innocent. The girl was a slut. She knew what she was getting into. She did it before. You cant just read shit and believe it. If the girl was raped she should have went to the police right away. She should have got a rape kit done. She should have done a lot and she didnt. Why? Because she is full of shit. That's some disgusting and hateful shit. You know that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing is a two way street right? You're all good to use the line to have patience with Rose and let it play out to find out what really happened, but you've immediately concluded she's a lying, dirty slut that knew what she was doing. Based on what? You can't just read shit and believe it about Rose? Ok, but you can't just read shit and believe it about the woman. Yeah, people try and scam rich and famous people out of money, but, people also get raped.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Oct 5, 2016 22:16:43 GMT
He was an 81 last season, right? (This is a serious question)
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Post by Charles Barkley on Oct 6, 2016 2:34:15 GMT
He was an 81 last season, right? (This is a serious question) He was an 85 last season, 99 in rape.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Oct 6, 2016 2:36:28 GMT
Ian NobleHow does the consent rating work in this game if the player we are proposing to change has an unknown rating? Furthermore, if the rape rating is a 99, but he only does it with 2 other dudes, does that mean 2 teammates must join in, thus allowing a possible 2 on 4 every possession for the opposing team while Derrick Rose is on the floor?
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Post by James Kay on Oct 6, 2016 5:11:01 GMT
Again, I'll say this: Why change him now?
I agree that he may have to be lowered. But it is shortsighted to change his rating RIGHT before he starts with a new team.
Set a timer, and start a thread like...4 weeks into the season. If he is playing at the same level, start a thread to decrease him. If he seems improved, maybe leave his rating alone.
I get that Derrick Rose is involved in a civil rape case which is incredibly shady sounding. But lets hold off judgment until the final decision is handed down, and be reasonable - don't change his rating mere weeks before he starts playing in a different jersey for the first time in his career.
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Post by Ian Noble on Oct 6, 2016 8:25:19 GMT
Guys there's a ton of ignorant shit being posted in this thread. Also the season hasn't even started, it's stupid to judge Rose right now, like others are saying.
If you want a Derrick Rose rating change post a new thread, do not include anything about this case against him or your thoughts either way, and keep it to basketball.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 12:46:29 GMT
rose not returning to knicks until trial is over
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Post by JR Wiles on Oct 18, 2016 11:58:07 GMT
its almost over...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 0:11:22 GMT
Well, trial is over
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