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Post by Aubrey Graham on Jul 6, 2012 0:00:23 GMT
Chicago Trades 83 - Zach Randolph $15,200,000 $16,500,000 $17,800,000 $16,500,000 93 - Derrick Rose $6,993,708 $15,506,632 $16,669,629 $17,832,627 $18,995,624 72 - Kyle Korver $5,000,000 $5,000,000 71 - Austin Daye $1,929,600 $2,958,077 $4,135,391 62 - Brian Scalabrine $1,325,181 78 - Taj Gibson $1,195,680 $2,153,420 $3,178,447 2012 CHI 1st Round Pick 2013 CHI 2nd Round Pick
Chicago Receives 77 - Troy Murphy $1,325,181 89 - Pau Gasol $18,714,150 $19,000,000 $19,285,850 91 - Chris Paul $16,359,805 $17,779,458 73 - Steve Novak $992,680 71 - Sam Young $947,800 2012 Brooklyn 2nd Round Pick
Chicago Outgoing: $31,644,169 Chicago Incoming: $38,339,616
Sacramento Trades 77 - Troy Murphy $1,325,181
Sacramento Receives 2013 CHI 2nd Round Pick
Sacramento Outgoing: $1,325,181 Sacramento Incoming: $0
Philadelphia Trades 89 - Pau Gasol $18,714,150 $19,000,000 $19,285,850 71 - Sam Young $947,800 2012 Brooklyn 2nd Round Pick
Philadelphia Receives 71 - Austin Daye $1,929,600 $2,958,077 $4,135,391 83 - Zach Randolph $15,200,000 $16,500,000 $17,800,000 $16,500,000 78 - Taj Gibson $1,195,680 $2,153,420 $3,178,447 2012 CHI 1st Round Pick
Philly Outgoing: $19,661,950 Philly Incoming: $18,325,280
New York Trades 91 - Chris Paul $16,359,805 $17,779,458 73 - Steve Novak $992,680
New York Receives 93 - Derrick Rose $6,993,708 $15,506,632 $16,669,629 $17,832,627 $18,995,624 72 - Kyle Korver $5,000,000 $5,000,000 62 - Brian Scalabrine $1,325,181
New York Outgoing: $17,352,280 New York Incoming: $13,318,889
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 0:07:28 GMT
Where does Chicago's 2013 2nd come from?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 0:15:08 GMT
Don't think 4 way trade allowed:)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 0:29:37 GMT
Don't think 4 way trade allowed:) I think you are wrong. Anyways, I accept. Murphy is pretty much useless to a rebuilding team such as mine at this point. The guy averages 3/3 and basically fell off the face of the earth. At 32, I don't really see a come back in the works for him. This trade gives me yet another 2nd round pick, so I can't really complain. I am very happy it is Chicago's 2013 2nd....maybe he won't be as good next year.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 6, 2012 0:39:36 GMT
This trade has to be rejected. Trading Brian Scalabrine is way too unrealistic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 0:40:56 GMT
Trading regulations state 3 team trades or less.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 0:42:38 GMT
Chicago your the man:)
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Post by James McGowan on Jul 6, 2012 0:47:41 GMT
I accept, getting Derrick Rose is one of the very few players I would trade Chris Paul for. He's arguably just as good plus he's locked up to a longer contract then Paul so in 2 years I'll only have to resign Dwight Howard not Howard AND Paul
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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 6, 2012 1:08:47 GMT
Even if a four-way deal were legal, I don't think that this works financially on multiple fronts. On another note, Philly's 2012 2nd is mine.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 6, 2012 1:20:54 GMT
Even if a four-way deal were legal, I don't think that this works financially on multiple fronts. On another note, Philly's 2012 2nd is mine. Maybe it's supposed to be Brooklyn's 2012 2nd, I dunno, but the financials all work. Also no 4 way trades is a dumb rule, what's it supposed to stop?
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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 6, 2012 1:28:17 GMT
I'm not sure as to how to compute this, but the New York part doesn't exactly work out for me (The ceiling for cash I worked out is high 16m, Paul and Novak total to a little over 17). I also don't know what to make of the Sacramento part as Chicago is already over the cap and taking salary in for nothing.
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Jul 6, 2012 1:42:57 GMT
Just split the Sac-Chi part off as a separate deal n go w the 3 way...
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Post by Alex English on Jul 6, 2012 2:02:00 GMT
I'm not sure as to how to compute this, but the New York part doesn't exactly work out for me (The ceiling for cash I worked out is high 16m, Paul and Novak total to a little over 17). I also don't know what to make of the Sacramento part as Chicago is already over the cap and taking salary in for nothing. For New York it's because they're trading away the extra salary. You can trade away like 30 million and only take back 10 million. You are lowering your salary so there are no restrictions. For Sacramento-Chicago it's because Murphy's salary is added to the salary he is already taking in then compared to the salary he gives out no matter which team it goes to. It is all processed as one trade not a number of seperate trades at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 2:08:58 GMT
If Ian says only 3 teams can trade then I guess it's illegal, but I am under the cap so the 125% rule doesn't apply to me.
Oh, and I think Chicago needs to add totals for each team's ingoing and outgoing salaries! lol
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 6, 2012 2:15:52 GMT
Yea first of all...Sac isn't needed in this at all. He and Chicago are just trading directly with each other. At least it seems like it?
SAC Trades Murphy and CHI receives Murphy.
SAC receives CHI 2nd...is CHI trading his own 2nd or is that coming from somewhere else?
Anyway that's clearly the smallest part of this thing and can be figured out another way.
SECOND - All Totals, both incoming and outgoing, need to be listed for each part of this trade. Until they are, I won't vote as it's not a properly posted trade.
THIRD - DAL is right, ish - CHI can't just take on salary...BUT in this particular trade he isn't just taking on Murphy...Chicago's overall trade involves him taking on Murphy and a bunch of other guys, while sending out a bunch of players...so it works out. The main deal breaker here is - if 4 ways are NOT allowed, then you have to take out the CHI/SAC part, and THEN, CHI would not be able to just take on Murphy for a 2nd.
FOURTH - DAL is looking at the NY part backwards.
NY sends OUT CP3 and Novak - $17,352,485 He gets IN Rose/Korver/Scalabrine - $13,318,889
There is NO RULE about how much salary you can shed in a trade, as long as it works for the teams who are taking IN the salary.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 6, 2012 2:18:57 GMT
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Post by Alex English on Jul 6, 2012 2:28:33 GMT
That was a rule in the old D5 too but there were still a few 4 way trades that happened. I think this is like the 'only two trades per week' rule. It's a rule but not really enforced. What's the reasoning behind the rule is anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 2:35:28 GMT
I forgot about the "two trades per week rule"....that one drove me NUTS!
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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 6, 2012 4:18:14 GMT
FOURTH - DAL is looking at the NY part backwards. NY sends OUT CP3 and Novak - $17,352,485 He gets IN Rose/Korver/Scalabrine - $13,318,889 There is NO RULE about how much salary you can shed in a trade, as long as it works for the teams who are taking IN the salary. My bad, I forgot to look at what Chicago's receiving as a whole in terms of cash. I think Sacto's involved in the trade for the reason that Chicago can't take Murphy on normally without giving anyone up.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 6, 2012 5:00:24 GMT
Yea you are right about that Dallas. It's an unusual circumstance, usually with a 2-way, it "has to" work out that you don't give up more than 125% of what you get either...b/c it has to work the other way for the team taking in the money. But with this 3-way/4-way deal, it gets a little trickier.
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Post by Otis Smith on Jul 6, 2012 7:11:08 GMT
Like Alex said we don't follow the trade limit rule so I think it would be fair not to enforce the old rule about 4-way trades.
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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 6, 2012 7:32:26 GMT
Comparing it to the trade limit rule doesn't seem fit considering that the trade limit only applies to new GMs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 8:53:00 GMT
Leave this one on Ian to decide. Hes the one with the fun. I agree though about huge trades. Maybe you could split it up somehow?
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 6, 2012 20:42:05 GMT
I'll take a look at this tomorrow guys. I've had a dramariffic day that really has to be seen to be believed, lol.
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Post by Larry Bird on Jul 6, 2012 21:11:25 GMT
I Was looking at this. I know large trades are fun, but it looks like smaller trades could be made. Sac- Chi Phi- Chi NY- Chi
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Post by Otis Smith on Jul 6, 2012 21:26:48 GMT
I Was looking at this. I know large trades are fun, but it looks like smaller trades could be made. Sac- Chi Phi- Chi NY- Chi SAC - CHI wouldn't work because CHI can't take in any additional salary since he's over the cap which is why this is a 4 way trade.
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Post by Aubrey Graham on Jul 8, 2012 3:25:54 GMT
Any updates for this?
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 8, 2012 12:21:11 GMT
I'm going to allow this to go ahead because it's clearly taken everyone a lot of time to put it together. The salaries work. The main reason why I don't allow 4-team-trades is because of the administrative time it takes me to complete such huge deals in NBA Live 06, but meh, I'll stretch it this time just like I allow the 2-trade-per-week to be stretched sometimes also. I suppose those rules are there just to alert GMs to take it easy, but maybe a re-wording of them would be better.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 8, 2012 12:29:04 GMT
Now to whether the deal is fair! I suppose you have to break it down for each team. ChicagoDerrick Rose = Chris Paul Zach Randolph = Pau Gasol Korver, Daye, Scal, Gibson = Murphy, Novak, Young Picks exchanged don't make a huge splash in this ocean sized trade for the Bulls.
I'm surprised the Bulls want to let Rose leave. I can only imagine Aubrey is happy to make a move for a skills-first point guard, as opposed to a physical-ability-first point guard like Rose, because Rose tore his ACL in real life and relies on his athletic ability more than his skills. Rose is the face of the franchise though so it's tough to see him go like this.
SacramentoNot a big deal for Sacramento so I'm happy to let it go through.
PhillyGasol = Randolph Sam Young = Daye, Gibson
I don't think Chicago needs to include their 2012 1st, but it's a late pick anyway, so no problem there. NYKChris Paul = Derrick Rose Novak = Korver, Scal
Rose and Howard in New York, nice.
I accept.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 16:45:05 GMT
You say it isn't a big deal, but IT MIGHT BE THE DIFFERENCE GETTING ANTHONY DAVIS OR NOT!
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