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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 21, 2016 16:16:19 GMT
2016 Player OptionsFor a player to opt out they must receive at least 3 of 5 votes from the Trade Committee. Votes are tallied next to each players name. Players who opted out are highlighted in GREY. The reason for them opting out is written below their name. Atlanta Hawks0/5 OPT OUT - 74 - Norris Cole - $3,500,000 Money. Brooklyn Nets
5/0 OPT IN - 70 - Luke Ridnour - $2,000,000 Chicago Bulls0/5 OPT OUT - 92 - Chris Paul - $23,500,000 - $24,500,000 Will pursue the new maximum contract for veterans. Entire Bulls team expiring this off season, Bulls not a "sure thing" and can take his time re-signing on Bird Rights.
1/4 OPT OUT - 75 - Amar'e Stoudemire - $2,000,000 More money. Cleveland Cavaliers0/5 OPT OUT - 79 - Patrick Beverley - $5,000,000 Money
0/5 OPT OUT - 73 - Bismack Biyombo - $5,000,000 - $5,000,000 - $5,000,000 Money Denver Nuggets5/3 OPT IN - 89 - Lamarcus Aldridge - $22,200,000 - $24,642,000 - $27,352,620 - $30,361,408 - $33,701,163 5/0 OPT IN - 88 - John Wall - $24,668,880 $26,889,079 $29,309,096 $31,946,914 $35,461,074 4/1 OPT IN - 74 - Lance Stephenson - $9,854,231 Detroit Pistons3/2 OPT IN - 82 - Rajon Rondo - $24,940,975 5/0 OPT IN - 74 - Beno Udrih - $3,560,000 Houston Rockets1/4 OPT OUT - 78 - Amir Johnson - $7,770,000 - $8,624,700 Money Indiana Pacers5/0 OPT IN - 76 - Paul Pierce - $12,298,774 1/4 OPT OUT - 79 - Eric Gordon - $12,308,679 - $13,662,633 Money Los Angeles Clippers4/1 OPT IN - 83 - Greg Monroe - $20,382,275 - $22,735,325 - $25,236,211 - $28,012,194 5/0 OPT IN - 83 - David West - $12,937,050 - $14,360,125 0/5 OPT OUT - 83 - Marvin Williams - $1,990,000 Money Memphis Grizzlies4/1 OPT IN - 72 - Kevin Garnett - $3,507,336 5/0 OPT IN - 70 - Martell Webster - $3,970,540 Miami Heat5/0 OPT IN - 78 - Omer Asik - $11,000,000 Milwaukee Bucks5/0 OPT IN - 87 - Marc Gasol - $23,310,000 - $25,874,100 - $28,720,251 - $31,879,478 Minnesota Timberwolves5/0 OPT IN - 82 - Derrick Favors - $19,737,465 - $21,908,586 - $24,318,530 - $26,993,568 - $29,962,860 5/0 OPT IN - 87 - Eric Bledsoe - $19,819,605 - $21,999,761 - $24,419,735 - $27,105,906 New York Knicks5/0 OPT IN - 75 - Gerald Wallace - $11,842,480 Oklahoma City Thunder5/0 OPT IN - 93 - Demarcus Cousins - $24,697,500 - $27,414,225 - $30,429,790 - $33,777,067 - $37,492,544 Orlando Magic0/5 OPT OUT - 79 - Evan Fournier - $7,769,520 - $8,468,776 - $9,315,654 - $10,154,062 Money Phoenix Suns2/3 OPT OUT - 79 - Louis Williams - $6,838,155 Money Portland Trailblazers5/0 OPT IN - 79 - JJ Hickson - $6,579,414 0/5 OPT OUT - 75 - Spencer Hawes - $2,000,000 - $2,000,000 Money Sacramento Kings0/5 OPT OUT - 76 - Jerryd Bayless - $3,970,540 Money
4/1 OPT IN - 75 - Tiago Splitter - $5,470,524 - $6,072,282 San Antonio Spurs0/5 OPT OUT - 87 - Paul Millsap - $13,875,000 - $12,500,000 Money Toronto Raptors0/5 OPT OUT - 87 - Kyle Lowry - $12,400,000 - $12,700,000 - $13,000,000 Money Washington Wizards5/0 OPT IN - 78 - OJ Mayo - $10,941,048 - $12,144,563 5/0 OPT IN - 76 - Caron Butler - $5,550,000 - $6,160,500 - $6,838,155
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 21, 2016 16:18:22 GMT
You'll notice that Lamarcus Aldridge's vote went 5/3.
This is because the Player Agents were stuck at 3/3 and I asked three other GMs (James Kay, Coach K and Chris Mullin) for their opinions to settle the deadlock. Both James Kay and Coach K gave their opinion that Lamarcus should OPT IN, so although we're still waiting to hear from Chris Mullin we already know the result.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 21, 2016 16:22:41 GMT
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Post by James Kay on Jun 21, 2016 17:05:01 GMT
OOoooooh can't wait for the incoming posts about Aldridge haha
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 21, 2016 17:16:42 GMT
Someone explain to me how Eric Gordon didn't opt in? He is made of glass and sucks. No one is going to give him more money.
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Post by James Kay on Jun 21, 2016 17:30:14 GMT
Someone explain to me how Eric Gordon didn't opt in? He is made of glass and sucks. No one is going to give him more money. My thoughts exactly. Biggest (possibly only) head-scratcher on this list. He was promised ~26 million over 2 years. Who turns that down coming off 2 seasons of 105 games, 14 points, 41 FG%. He is a really good three point shooter but doesn’t do much else, and struggles to stay on the court.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 21, 2016 18:09:50 GMT
Damn, that was a close one with Aldridge. I was prepping for him to leave. Most of the early votes were for opt out, then it flipped with the later votes going for opt in.
I had a list of trade and free agent targets, I was going to clear cap space to sign Jonas Valanciunas next summer. With the Hornets winning and OKC taking down the Warriors, it had me thinking it wouldn't even hurt the performance of my team too much. But now he's back. We're back on the championship or bust set of expectations. Anything less is a disappointing year.
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Post by JR Wiles on Jun 21, 2016 19:21:05 GMT
Of course we would have liked Millsap to opt in, but we understand he wants paid.
Eric Gordon would never opt out of that contract. Worst vote and outcome.
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Post by JR Wiles on Jun 21, 2016 19:25:49 GMT
Paul Pierce wants to play for a contender. I dont see him opting in with Indy.
Rondo is def making good money, but he would not resign with a Detroit team.Just like Pierce he wants to win sooner than later.
My opinion..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 20:14:35 GMT
Looks good guys, nice job PAs.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 21, 2016 20:28:37 GMT
Wait, why does Milsap want paid but Aldridge doesn't?
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 21, 2016 20:31:24 GMT
Wait, why does Milsap want paid but Aldridge doesn't. good point. Would love to hear the explanation besides he is on a loaded team that didn't win it all.
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Post by James Kay on Jun 21, 2016 20:44:04 GMT
Wait, why does Milsap want paid but Aldridge doesn't. good point. Would love to hear the explanation besides he is on a loaded team that didn't win it all. Wait, why does Milsap want paid but Aldridge doesn't? - Aldridge wouldn’t be able to re-sign with the best team in the league for his needs (no other team has Harden+Wall at the guard spots). Denver is his best destination for winning, plain and simple. Millsap can resign with Spurs if he chooses. - Millsap was set to make 13 and then 12 million. Aldridge is making 22. Big difference in money. - Aldridge has the ability to opt out at the third year as well - Millsap is a little older, needs to get his money quicker
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 20:47:46 GMT
Wait, why does Milsap want paid but Aldridge doesn't? Because Millsap not opting out was foregoing over a hundred million dollars if he were to be injured etc. The difference between aldridge contract rn, and the theoretical max contract he would've gotten is about 15M over the course of the deal, around just 10% of it's total value.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 21, 2016 20:49:56 GMT
If someone offered you a 10% increase of what you are making now, would you take it?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 21, 2016 21:02:22 GMT
Wait, why does Milsap want paid but Aldridge doesn't? Because Millsap not opting out was foregoing over a hundred million dollars if he were to be injured etc. The difference between aldridge contract rn, and the theoretical max contract he would've gotten is about 15M over the course of the deal, around just 10% of it's total value. Aldridge stands to make 8 million more a year under the new max. That is 32 million.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 21:05:24 GMT
Because Millsap not opting out was foregoing over a hundred million dollars if he were to be injured etc. The difference between aldridge contract rn, and the theoretical max contract he would've gotten is about 15M over the course of the deal, around just 10% of it's total value. Aldridge stands to make 8 million more a year under the new max. That is 32 million. Alridge only has 9 years of experience. His max is not 32 million.
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Post by James Kay on Jun 21, 2016 21:09:04 GMT
Aldridge stands to make 8 million more a year under the new max. That is 32 million. Alridge only has 9 years of experience. His max is not 32 million. He has 10
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Post by James Kay on Jun 21, 2016 21:09:15 GMT
If someone offered you a 10% increase of what you are making now, would you take it? When you’re already making tens of millions, I think other considerations weigh more heavily. I can’t speak for the others, because I only voted for myself. But I believe Aldridge values winning more than money, and the PO that still remains on the contract gives him flexibility to opt-out at a later date. FWIW, Aldridge could actually have made a TON more money in the short-term. As a 10 year vet, he was eligible for the 35% max contract. However, I considered his total earnings potential including his higher public visibility on a winning team (endorsements), as well as the mitigation of the earnings difference by his ability to opt out once he has BRs with Denver and get a huge contract with them, or be bought away by another team. Yes, Aldridge had the chance to lock down a monster deal now, as insurance against future injuries, but when weighed against his ability to win now with the BEST backcourt in the league, the scales tipped towards opting in. I figured he’d risk the injury and try and win a championship next year with that incredible backcourt. So in conclusion, I thought Aldridge stayed with Denver because he wants to win – and because the money difference wasn’t significant enough to entice him to opt out now instead of two years from now – when (with the cap raise) he could potentially make even more than had he signed a deal now. It wasn’t a clean-cut decision. Typing this all out, I can’t even organize all the variables I considered that well. But another consideration trumping all the above mentioned factors – is that him opting out would remove him from Denver. I felt that I needed to be truly confident to make a decision that would take him away from Denver, and I didn’t reach that level at all.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 21, 2016 21:10:00 GMT
If someone offered you a 10% increase of what you are making now, would you take it? 10% raise, but now you have to move into a shitty little office, work longer hours, and all in all your working conditions get much worse. There is a small chance you end up in a job as good as the one you have. or Current pay and stay in a job a like a lot and everything works really well for you. Which do you take? The long term gain in money for Aldridge isn't that much, and things have to go absolutely perfectly in free agency for him to end up in a better situation.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 21, 2016 21:11:25 GMT
9If someone offered you a 10% increase of what you are making now, would you take it? 10% raise, but now you have to move into a shitty little office, work longer hours, and all in all your working conditions get much worse. There is a small chance you end up in a job as good as the one you have. or Current pay and stay in a job a like a lot and everything works really well for you. Which do you take? The long term gain in money for Aldridge isn't that much, and things have to go absolutely perfectly in free agency for him to end up in a better situation. He plays basketball for a living. He's having fun regardless.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 21, 2016 21:11:43 GMT
I'm done talking about it.
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Post by James Kay on Jun 21, 2016 21:11:51 GMT
I think actually the most convincing of that smorgasbord of arguments I just laid out:
When Aldridge opts out during the 2017-2018 season, the cap is actually estimated to be around 108 million, giving him a potential max contract of 37.8 million.
And I wouldn’t be surprised to see it rise even higher.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 21, 2016 21:16:58 GMT
If someone offered you a 10% increase of what you are making now, would you take it? 10% raise, but now you have to move into a shitty little office, work longer hours, and all in all your working conditions get much worse. There is a small chance you end up in a job as good as the one you have. or Current pay and stay in a job a like a lot and everything works really well for you. Which do you take? The long term gain in money for Aldridge isn't that much, and things have to go absolutely perfectly in free agency for him to end up in a better situation. Not even close to the right situation. There a ton of great teams with cap space. Lateral move but make more money? I take the move anyway all day. You will have the same exact team as you did last year and you still lost, why would you think it would change? You have no caption to make any serious I moves and the teams that you will face will also be the same (Gsw). I think sometimes there is too much I don't want to hurt his feelings going on.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 21, 2016 21:18:24 GMT
He plays basketball for a living. He's having fun regardless. Sure, I was just going with the analogy given that you imagine you were offered that raise. We both know enough about the situation to know that we will simply disagree on which priorities matter most. That's perfectly fine, I don't think there has ever been a player option was was debated more than this one. It just a divisive issue, and it had to go one way or the other. It could have gone either way, and he nearly did opt out.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 21, 2016 21:18:26 GMT
I think actually the most convincing of that smorgasbord of arguments I just laid out: When Aldridge opts out during the 2017-2018 season, the cap is actually estimated to be around 108 million, giving him a potential max contract of 37.8 million. And I wouldn’t be surprised to see it rise even higher. 33 year old Aldridge will be worth this same contract.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 21:20:42 GMT
Alridge only has 9 years of experience. His max is not 32 million. He has 10 Word. You're right. ESPN says 9 years. Yeah that is a lot of money. How much money did aldridge give up when he picked SAS over POR?
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Post by James Kay on Jun 21, 2016 21:20:58 GMT
I think actually the most convincing of that smorgasbord of arguments I just laid out: When Aldridge opts out during the 2017-2018 season, the cap is actually estimated to be around 108 million, giving him a potential max contract of 37.8 million. And I wouldn’t be surprised to see it rise even higher. 33 year old Aldridge will be worth this same contract. He plays for the Spurs. Their players last forever!! haha
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 21, 2016 21:22:29 GMT
I think actually the most convincing of that smorgasbord of arguments I just laid out: When Aldridge opts out during the 2017-2018 season, the cap is actually estimated to be around 108 million, giving him a potential max contract of 37.8 million. And I wouldn’t be surprised to see it rise even higher. He is good but no one is going to give him that money when he is 33/34.
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Post by James Kay on Jun 21, 2016 21:24:30 GMT
I think actually the most convincing of that smorgasbord of arguments I just laid out: When Aldridge opts out during the 2017-2018 season, the cap is actually estimated to be around 108 million, giving him a potential max contract of 37.8 million. And I wouldn’t be surprised to see it rise even higher. He is good but no one is going to give him that money when he is 33/34. You might be right. But if that’s his max, someone will likely give him something close to what he turned down (based on the previous cap), no?
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