Vlade Divac
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Post by Vlade Divac on May 18, 2016 3:30:52 GMT
I never really watched the Raptors much and could not say for sure what I suspected all along, but man they suck! I do not want to hear about how great Lowry and DeRozan are EVER again because they play well against meddling competition but cannot handle an elite team like the Cavs. Go back to "the North" and fight the wildlings because the Cavs just owned you in the south. #1776
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 3:32:49 GMT
Vlade, what the fuck. I was expecting to get a healthy dose of this when I clicked on the thread.
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Post by Vlade Divac on May 18, 2016 3:35:37 GMT
Vlade, what the fuck. I was expecting to get a healthy dose of this when I clicked on the thread. Haha, sorry to disappoint but I reserve Kirk for when the Warriors lose as the Raptors do not deserve Kirk. I think this one might apply, though:
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 18, 2016 13:42:15 GMT
Honestly I was worried up until like 4 minutes into the 2nd. It looks like the Cavs are peaking at the right time.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 18, 2016 14:16:18 GMT
Honestly I was worried up until like 4 minutes into the 2nd. It looks like the Cavs are peaking at the right time. I hope you win it this year, Cleveland seems like it deserves a championship after so long.
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Post by Alex English on May 18, 2016 15:40:06 GMT
This is funny because everyone was saying the same thing after game 1 of Spurs vs Thunder. What happened in that series?
Now I don't think the Raptors will win, but they've accomplished what they were supposed to do this year. Second best team in the east and they made it to the conference finals. Anything else is a bonus.
It's all stacked against them too. They won 2 of the 3 games against Cleveland in the regular season but the Cavs have stepped up their game significantly for the playoffs. Yesterday was their 9th game in the playoffs compared to the Raptors 15th game over the same time period. You have one team that's exhausted playing a better team with as much rest as they can possibly have. They can get swept and I won't care.
Not every team is lucky enough to have a huge superstar on their roster like Lebron or Durant or Curry. Toronto is the best of those teams. When people talk shit it's kind of like a college kid bragging about beating a high school kid in a pick up game. Yeah, no shit you're winning, you have Lebron James.
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Post by Alex English on May 18, 2016 15:42:49 GMT
Honestly I was worried up until like 4 minutes into the 2nd. It looks like the Cavs are peaking at the right time. Yeah the playoff Cavs are way better than the regular season Cavs. They've stepped their game up. They're the last team I want to see win the title though. I hope Lebron never wins another championship. I'm cheering for OKC and then GSW.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 19:27:37 GMT
This is funny because everyone was saying the same thing after game 1 of Spurs vs Thunder. What happened in that series? Now I don't think the Raptors will win, but they've accomplished what they were supposed to do this year. Second best team in the east and they made it to the conference finals. Anything else is a bonus. It's all stacked against them too. They won 2 of the 3 games against Cleveland in the regular season but the Cavs have stepped up their game significantly for the playoffs. Yesterday was their 9th game in the playoffs compared to the Raptors 15th game over the same time period. You have one team that's exhausted playing a better team with as much rest as they can possibly have. They can get swept and I won't care. Not every team is lucky enough to have a huge superstar on their roster like Lebron or Durant or Curry. Toronto is the best of those teams. When people talk shit it's kind of like a college kid bragging about beating a high school kid in a pick up game. Yeah, no shit you're winning, you have Lebron James. Amen to that^^^^
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Vlade Divac
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Post by Vlade Divac on May 18, 2016 21:39:59 GMT
This is funny because everyone was saying the same thing after game 1 of Spurs vs Thunder. What happened in that series? Now I don't think the Raptors will win, but they've accomplished what they were supposed to do this year. Second best team in the east and they made it to the conference finals. Anything else is a bonus. It's all stacked against them too. They won 2 of the 3 games against Cleveland in the regular season but the Cavs have stepped up their game significantly for the playoffs. Yesterday was their 9th game in the playoffs compared to the Raptors 15th game over the same time period. You have one team that's exhausted playing a better team with as much rest as they can possibly have. They can get swept and I won't care. Not every team is lucky enough to have a huge superstar on their roster like Lebron or Durant or Curry. Toronto is the best of those teams. When people talk shit it's kind of like a college kid bragging about beating a high school kid in a pick up game. Yeah, no shit you're winning, you have Lebron James. Teams that I think could beat Toronto (without a "Superstar") Portland Dallas Memphis Houston Utah Detroit
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Post by Ian Noble on May 18, 2016 21:57:45 GMT
This is funny because everyone was saying the same thing after game 1 of Spurs vs Thunder. What happened in that series? Now I don't think the Raptors will win, but they've accomplished what they were supposed to do this year. Second best team in the east and they made it to the conference finals. Anything else is a bonus. It's all stacked against them too. They won 2 of the 3 games against Cleveland in the regular season but the Cavs have stepped up their game significantly for the playoffs. Yesterday was their 9th game in the playoffs compared to the Raptors 15th game over the same time period. You have one team that's exhausted playing a better team with as much rest as they can possibly have. They can get swept and I won't care. Not every team is lucky enough to have a huge superstar on their roster like Lebron or Durant or Curry. Toronto is the best of those teams. When people talk shit it's kind of like a college kid bragging about beating a high school kid in a pick up game. Yeah, no shit you're winning, you have Lebron James. Teams that I think could beat Toronto (without a "Superstar") Portland Dallas Memphis Houston Utah Detroit On balance though the Raptors are better than all those teams imho
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Post by Alex English on May 18, 2016 23:00:12 GMT
Teams that I think could beat Toronto (without a "Superstar") Portland Dallas Memphis Houston Utah Detroit I don't believe any of those teams can beat the Raptors in a series, except for Houston if they work out their chemistry issues. But Houston does have a true superstar in Harden. Dallas could also win if Dirk put together a series of games where he looks like prime Dirk and not old Dirk.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 18, 2016 23:29:49 GMT
Honestly I was worried up until like 4 minutes into the 2nd. It looks like the Cavs are peaking at the right time. Yeah the playoff Cavs are way better than the regular season Cavs. They've stepped their game up. They're the last team I want to see win the title though. I hope Lebron never wins another championship. I'm cheering for OKC and then GSW. Not even for me
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Post by Vlade Divac on May 20, 2016 1:05:51 GMT
Teams that I think could beat Toronto (without a "Superstar") Portland Dallas Memphis Houston Utah Detroit I don't believe any of those teams can beat the Raptors in a series, except for Houston if they work out their chemistry issues. But Houston does have a true superstar in Harden. Dallas could also win if Dirk put together a series of games where he looks like prime Dirk and not old Dirk. I am talking about as presently constructed and at this time; Although I think Randolph and Conley would need to be healthy for Memphis to beat Toronto.
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Post by Vlade Divac on May 20, 2016 1:08:20 GMT
Teams that I think could beat Toronto (without a "Superstar") Portland Dallas Memphis Houston Utah Detroit On balance though the Raptors are better than all those teams imho While Detroit might be a stretch but they made me a fan after they way they played Cleveland, you really doubt that a team like Memphis could not beat Toronto? How could Toronto handle Randolph inside? Conley > Lowry and you put Allen on DeRozan. Basically, DeRozan, Lowry, and Valanciunas remain the only good players on the Raptors.
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Post by Alex English on May 20, 2016 2:20:19 GMT
How does the guy who says this: I never really watched the Raptors much and could not say for sure what I suspected all along Say stuff like this so confidently? you really doubt that a team like Memphis could not beat Toronto? How could Toronto handle Randolph inside? Conley > Lowry and you put Allen on DeRozan. Basically, DeRozan, Lowry, and Valanciunas remain the only good players on the Raptors. I'll stick with my own evaluation of the Raptors. Lowry is way better than Conley, first of all. Are you saying Conley is better just based on game 1 against Cleveland? Did you watch the Miami series where Lowry played much more like himself? Or any of the regular season where Lowry was easily the best player on the team? Bismack would shut down an old and unathletic Randolph. Does Memphis have a mobile big that could match up with Patterson out to the three point line? Randolph sure as hell couldn't do it. Then you have to ask yourself this. How could Memphis hope to contain the legendary Norman Powell? He's literally never missed a shot playing against the Grizzlies. He would light them up for 30 per game in a playoff series. Toronto would sweep Memphis and dominate them so bad everyone on the roster would retire immediately afterward. That team is a seniors home masquerading as an NBA team.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 3:09:15 GMT
How does the guy who says this: I never really watched the Raptors much and could not say for sure what I suspected all along Say stuff like this so confidently? you really doubt that a team like Memphis could not beat Toronto? How could Toronto handle Randolph inside? Conley > Lowry and you put Allen on DeRozan. Basically, DeRozan, Lowry, and Valanciunas remain the only good players on the Raptors. I'll stick with my own evaluation of the Raptors. Lowry is way better than Conley, first of all. Are you saying Conley is better just based on game 1 against Cleveland? Did you watch the Miami series where Lowry played much more like himself? Or any of the regular season where Lowry was easily the best player on the team? Bismack would shut down an old and unathletic Randolph. Does Memphis have a mobile big that could match up with Patterson out to the three point line? Randolph sure as hell couldn't do it. Then you have to ask yourself this. How could Memphis hope to contain the legendary Norman Powell? He's literally never missed a shot playing against the Grizzlies. He would light them up for 30 per game in a playoff series. Toronto would sweep Memphis and dominate them so bad everyone on the roster would retire immediately afterward. That team is a seniors home masquerading as an NBA team. 2 words. Lance Stephenson.
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Post by Vlade Divac on May 20, 2016 11:57:14 GMT
How does the guy who says this: I never really watched the Raptors much and could not say for sure what I suspected all along Say stuff like this so confidently? you really doubt that a team like Memphis could not beat Toronto? How could Toronto handle Randolph inside? Conley > Lowry and you put Allen on DeRozan. Basically, DeRozan, Lowry, and Valanciunas remain the only good players on the Raptors. I'll stick with my own evaluation of the Raptors. Lowry is way better than Conley, first of all. Are you saying Conley is better just based on game 1 against Cleveland? Did you watch the Miami series where Lowry played much more like himself? Or any of the regular season where Lowry was easily the best player on the team? Bismack would shut down an old and unathletic Randolph. Does Memphis have a mobile big that could match up with Patterson out to the three point line? Randolph sure as hell couldn't do it. Then you have to ask yourself this. How could Memphis hope to contain the legendary Norman Powell? He's literally never missed a shot playing against the Grizzlies. He would light them up for 30 per game in a playoff series. Toronto would sweep Memphis and dominate them so bad everyone on the roster would retire immediately afterward. That team is a seniors home masquerading as an NBA team. It's pretty simply actually, Alex dear. I watched Lowry a lot with the Rockets and knew he wasn't THAT good. Don't get me wrong, he's a good ball player but not an All-Star Level Player. I briefly saw DeRozan against the Nets 2 or 3 years ago, @josh barber, and figured out pretty quickly that A. he can only dunk and B. his game is based upon athleticism. If Pierce can shut him down then any good wing player can shut him down. Now I will say that Valanciunas really really improved based upon his performance against the Heat, he's probably my favorite Raptor, but is hardly a building block for a championship team. Therefore, I came up with the theory that Lowry and DeRozan play like All-Stars or Superstars against inferior competition but will ultimately fail against a championship type team. Boy, did they prove me right in this series. As far as your "evaluation," I am not getting into a pissing contest about Conley and Lowry but I think the former is better on defense. Haha, Bismarck Bimbyo needs go hang out with Lucas and Rodman in his own fantasy land because his NBA Future is murky at best and cannot handle Marc. Haha, Zach is plenty quick; I mean if Kevin Love can stand on Patterson then Randolph can as well.
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Post by Alex English on May 20, 2016 13:43:15 GMT
It's pretty simply actually, Alex dear. I watched Lowry a lot with the Rockets and knew he wasn't THAT good. Don't get me wrong, he's a good ball player but not an All-Star Level Player. I briefly saw DeRozan against the Nets 2 or 3 years ago, @josh barber, and figured out pretty quickly that A. he can only dunk and B. his game is based upon athleticism. If Pierce can shut him down then any good wing player can shut him down. Now I will say that Valanciunas really really improved based upon his performance against the Heat, he's probably my favorite Raptor, but is hardly a building block for a championship team. Therefore, I came up with the theory that Lowry and DeRozan play like All-Stars or Superstars against inferior competition but will ultimately fail against a championship type team. Apart from the trash talk in this thread (because no I don't actually believe Norman Powell is legendary), I mostly agree with this. I've never been a big fan of DeMar and I hope the Raptors trade him. Valanciunas should be an All-Star in the future, and Lowry is an excellent point guard and could start on a championship contender (he just can't be the best player on that team). He has improved a lot just since coming to Toronto. He also single-handedly beat the Cavs in the regular season, if you want to see him play well against a championship type team. I don't think any Raptors fan believes this team can win a championship. I don't think any of them are getting worked up about this series. This team is the best of the rest, and now they can look at the big gap that exists between "the rest" and the true contenders. But wait: Haha, Bismarck Bimbyo needs go hang out with Lucas and Rodman in his own fantasy land because his NBA Future is murky at best and cannot handle Marc. Haha, Zach is plenty quick; I mean if Kevin Love can stand on Patterson then Randolph can as well. You think Biyombo is a fringe NBA player? He's about to get paid more than $10 million a year this offseason. You haven't watched much of him obviously. Also are you saying Randolph is better than Love? Specifically at playing out to the perimeter?
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Post by Vlade Divac on May 21, 2016 14:25:19 GMT
Dang, I am sad you agree with me because I love busting your balls. Meh, that's probably about right for Bismarck since the salary cap is going to skyrocket but he's nothing special. Honestly, I think Randolph dwarfs Love in every way possible minus passing and three point shooting but then again I am a Love hater.
New topic: Rank the teams that Cleveland beat in order from the best to the worst.
1. Detroit 2. Atlanta 3. Toronto
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 14:31:32 GMT
Dang, I am sad you agree with me because I love busting your balls. Meh, that's probably about right for Bismarck since the salary cap is going to skyrocket but he's nothing special. Honestly, I think Randolph dwarfs Love in every way possible minus passing and three point shooting but then again I am a Love hater. New topic: Rank the teams that Cleveland beat in order from the best to the worst. 1. Detroit 2. Atlanta 3. Toronto Now put those teams in a ranking among the entire league and none of those would be in the top 6.
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Post by Vlade Divac on May 21, 2016 14:48:35 GMT
Dang, I am sad you agree with me because I love busting your balls. Meh, that's probably about right for Bismarck since the salary cap is going to skyrocket but he's nothing special. Honestly, I think Randolph dwarfs Love in every way possible minus passing and three point shooting but then again I am a Love hater. New topic: Rank the teams that Cleveland beat in order from the best to the worst. 1. Detroit 2. Atlanta 3. Toronto Now put those teams in a ranking among the entire league and none of those would be in the top 6. True, but I love Detroit's potential. Then again, Panic Master as the coach worries me.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 14:49:33 GMT
Now put those teams in a ranking among the entire league and none of those would be in the top 6. True, but I love Detroit's potential. Then again, Panic Master as the coach worries me. SVG is a top 5 coach in the league.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 21, 2016 15:05:56 GMT
SVG is a top 5 coach in the league. Toronto is regretting keeping Casey and not going after Gundy.
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Post by Alex English on May 21, 2016 18:18:37 GMT
Dang, I am sad you agree with me because I love busting your balls. Exactly, right? As for those teams, I believe Toronto is the second best team in the east, unless Miami has a healthy Bosh. Atlanta is better than Detroit. I also agree with Adam and that none of it really matters because they don't give 7th place trophies. The Warriors, Spurs, Cavs, and Thunder are the only teams capable of winning the NBA championship right now. The Clippers could maybe take the title in a huge upset. Nobody else even stands a chance. I'd probably say the best positioned team to compete for a championship after that group are the Minnesota Timberwolves. Towns and Wiggins will be a legit superstar combo, and they can get another potential star at the fifth pick in this years draft. If the Pelicans got another true star to play with Davis, and if the Rockets got another star to play with Harden (Dwight sucks balls), and a coach capable of motivating him to play defense, then those two teams stand a chance as well. Every other team is probably more than a decade away from being able to win a championship barring a superstar free agent signing, like Durant to DC or something.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 18:56:24 GMT
Miami is better without bosh.
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Post by Vlade Divac on May 21, 2016 20:04:58 GMT
BOLD YET WAY TOO EARLY PREDICTION: Detroit loses to Cleveland in the Eastern Conference Finals next year.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 20:19:01 GMT
BOLD YET WAY TOO EARLY PREDICTION: Detroit loses to Cleveland in the Eastern Conference Finals next year. There's a huge problem with that: Detroit's Roster
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Post by Vlade Divac on May 21, 2016 21:52:43 GMT
BOLD YET WAY TOO EARLY PREDICTION: Detroit loses to Cleveland in the Eastern Conference Finals next year. There's a huge problem with that: Detroit's Roster Jackson, Drummond, Harris, Stanley, KCP. and Morris can all play.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 22:01:02 GMT
Not playoff level basketball. Harris blows. Stanley is still 2 years away, Morris is a shittier version of Harris.
Reggie and Drummond are good though, and KCP is a hidden gem.
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Post by James Kay on May 21, 2016 22:19:34 GMT
Not playoff level basketball. Harris blows. Stanley is still 2 years away, Morris is a shittier version of Harris. Reggie and Drummond are good though, and KCP is a hidden gem. 2 mil per bb
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