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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 18:07:21 GMT
Kings Get: PF/C Amar'e Stoudemire 93 $18,217,705 $19,948,799 $21,679,893 $23,410,988 SF Hedo Turkoglu 77 $11,015,850 $11,815,850 $12,000,000
Total: $29,233,555
Magic Get: PF/SF Derrick Williams 81 $4,602,720 $4,809,840 $5,016,960 $6,331,404 $8,262,482 C/PF Channing Frye 78 $5,600,000 $6,000,000 $6,400,000 $6,800,000 SF John Salmons 75 $8,500,000 $8,083,000 $7,583,000 $7,000,000 C Nazar Mohammed 70 $3,750,000/1 C Jamaal Magloire $1,325,181/1 2013 1st (Hornets)
Total: $23,750,091[/b][/color]
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 18:17:35 GMT
Orlando will need to cut some players before this trade can be fully processed. I accept. When NOH/ORL attempted to trade Amare for nothing, I decided to send it an offer since people were devaluing him so much. Bam Bam isn't old or anything at 29/30, but a lot of people seem think he is washed up. I disagree, and feel as though New York's real life pieces just did not fit well together. Whether that be because of chemistry or coaching, I am not 100% sure, but we will find out this year. It would not shock me if New York doesn't trade Amare (yes I know they can't find anyone, I think that is BS) and he ends up being a star again. Then again, he still put 17.5 and 8 in a crazy year for the Knicks where they changed coaches and went through Linsanity. Heck, he played reasonably well in their elimination playoff game against THE WORLD CHAMPION Miami Heat after he punched that piece of glass. Bottom line, I always have, and always will be a believer. To show you my belief in him, I wanted him to slip to #15 in 2002 so Houston could draft both him and Yao Ming in the same year. Alas, he went #9 to the Suns, but I am a hardcore believer and will not quit believing in him as long as he can jump. Hedo gives me a nice shooting SF to complement my starting 5 of Brooks/Thornton/Hedo/Amare/Ibaka. Everyone can shoot from the perimeter, and that should make us dangerous. Additionally, Hedo being in the deal gives Orlando more cap space now. Overall, Orlando gains about 6 M in cap space now and about 5 M after Mohammed and Magloire expire. Channing Frye will be Orlando's starting center once/if he trades Tyson Chandler, and the 2013 1st from the Hornets and Derrick Williams give him talent that could potentially surpass Amare in the future. As a result of this trade, Orlando gets younger and gets rid of Amare and I restore his good name by giving him a chance to start over and be the #1 option in Sacramento. Best of luck to Derrick, Channing, John, Nazr, Jamaal, in Orlando and nice trading with you Magic! PS. Not sure I can get Anthony Davis anymore if this trade goes through, so I throw my endorsement for the 1st pick behind the....CHARLOTTE BOBCATS!!!!!!!
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 27, 2012 18:48:15 GMT
Derrick Williams is a future all-star. He is playing very well in Dynasty 5 and in the NBA he still got 8.8 points and 4.7 rebounds in 21.5 minutes. On our team he would start and be the piece we build around. Also in the trade we get Frye, who would start at the 5 if we get the Chandler trade passed, Salmons, a good back up for Smith, and two expiring Centers. The 2013 Hornets pick should be good, even if they get Davis this year, I don't think he will take them out of the lottery.
I lose Amar'e, who is a good player, but he has a contract that will go to $23 Million. Hedo is also not a contract I want and if the trade for Arenas gets passed I won't need him anymore.
I accept.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 27, 2012 23:23:14 GMT
What's the point of trading someone who IS good for someone who MIGHT BE good? And Orlando is going from what, Amare/Chandler to Williams/Thabeet?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 1:13:50 GMT
What's the point of trading someone who IS good for someone who MIGHT BE good? And Orlando is going from what, Amare/Chandler to Williams/Thabeet? His starters would be Williams/Frye, and you should be judging on this trade not Orlando's whole body of work.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2012 21:54:19 GMT
Reject.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 22:43:15 GMT
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Post by Aubrey Graham on Jun 30, 2012 5:31:40 GMT
I reject, Derrick Williams for Tyreke Evans was already a highly controversial trade and in this case, I think we can all agree Amare has more value than Williams. ORL is getting rid of superior talent while taking on 2 terrible contracts.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 30, 2012 12:51:46 GMT
Okay, where do I begin? lol Orlando's going to have to cut three of the players involved in this deal, and at least one of those will have one of the following long term deals attached to them: PF/SF Derrick Williams 81 $4,602,720 $4,809,840 $5,016,960 $6,331,404 $8,262,482 C/PF Channing Frye 78 $5,600,000 $6,000,000 $6,400,000 $6,800,000 SF John Salmons 75 $8,500,000 $8,083,000 $7,583,000 $7,000,000 So that makes this trade essentially: Derrick Williams and/or Channing Frye and John Salmons long term contract as deadweight. <-> Amare Stoudemire and Hedo Turkoglu I don't think I need to say more. I reject.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 30, 2012 14:32:39 GMT
I'm going to reject as well. Derrick Williams wasn't good enough this year to warrant him being traded for a superstar. I think its best if we let Orlando rethink all of his decisions and then move forward in a more positive manner.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2012 14:40:49 GMT
I reject, Derrick Williams for Tyreke Evans was already a highly controversial trade and in this case, I think we can all agree Amare has more value than Williams. ORL is getting rid of superior talent while taking on 2 terrible contracts. I didn't trade Derrick Williams for Tyreke Evans, I traded Evans, Thomas, and Maxiell for Williams, Hill, Barea, and Barnes. While I understand that Derrick Williams is hard to value, if Amare really is going down to an 82 then this trade should be fair. I guess the question is, is Amare going down to an 82? Also of note, he takes one terrible contract (Salmons) and I take another terrible contract (Hedo). I don't know the other "terrible contract" you are talking about it, I guess its Frye, but 6 M for a starting PF/C is not what I would consider "terrible." I thought of Salmons for Hedo as a wash, but it allows Orlando more cap space next year since Salmons has a decreasing contract. Okay, where do I begin? lol Orlando's going to have to cut three of the players involved in this deal, and at least one of those will have one of the following long term deals attached to them: PF/SF Derrick Williams 81 $4,602,720 $4,809,840 $5,016,960 $6,331,404 $8,262,482 C/PF Channing Frye 78 $5,600,000 $6,000,000 $6,400,000 $6,800,000 SF John Salmons 75 $8,500,000 $8,083,000 $7,583,000 $7,000,000 So that makes this trade essentially: Derrick Williams and/or Channing Frye and John Salmons long term contract as deadweight. <-> Amare Stoudemire and Hedo Turkoglu I don't think I need to say more. I reject. I think you are embellishing a lot. Why can't Orlando cut Daniel Orton, Maglorie, and Mohammed? That is 3 expiring guys that are not that talented, no problem there. I am not following your whole point there, you copy and pasted the salaries of Williams, Frye, and Salmons. I mean I figured you knew how to copy and paste, but I don't see how it helps make your point? It makes NO logic sense what so ever that Orlando would have to cut players involved in this deal....I mean he traded for them. In other words, I am waiting for you to "begin." And honestly, I have no problem with you rejecting. However, I would like to hear some decent feedback about it.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 1, 2012 3:29:30 GMT
Okay, where do I begin? lol Orlando's going to have to cut three of the players involved in this deal, and at least one of those will have one of the following long term deals attached to them: PF/SF Derrick Williams 81 $4,602,720 $4,809,840 $5,016,960 $6,331,404 $8,262,482 C/PF Channing Frye 78 $5,600,000 $6,000,000 $6,400,000 $6,800,000 SF John Salmons 75 $8,500,000 $8,083,000 $7,583,000 $7,000,000 So that makes this trade essentially: Derrick Williams and/or Channing Frye and John Salmons long term contract as deadweight. <-> Amare Stoudemire and Hedo Turkoglu I don't think I need to say more. I reject. I don't honestly get this, is this a rule? How can Orlando even cut any of these players before he owns them? He should at least have the choice to cut players already on his team: 70 Johan Petro $3,250,000 $3,500,000 74 Von Wafer $992,680 $1,069,509 $1,186,459 73 Ishmael Smith $522,472 71 Tyler Honeycutt $775,000 $809,875 $884,293 58 Daniel Orton $1,097,520 72 Chris Douglas-Roberts $1,140,000 plus these two from the trade: C Nazar Mohammed 70 $3,750,000/1 C Jamaal Magloire $1,325,181/1 Anyone would cut any one of those players instead of Salmons or Frye or Williams. I guess I'm just curious about the argument here, usually you say things like "so and so needs to cut a player before this trade can be processed" and then that "so and so" goes and cuts a player already on their team. If one of your big reasons for rejecting is that Orlando would have to cut one of those 3...I dunno it doesn't make sense to me. All of that said, I'm not completely sold it's enough value for Amar'e. It looks nice seeing Turkoglu go along with him...but then Salmons comes back, and even though he's paid less, it's still a large contract, AND it's 1 year longer...so they cancel out or even a little bit negative for Orlando with the whole year longer thing. Williams is the #2 overall pick from one year ago, on a team with some pretty nice players (especially around his natural PF position), and he had some games where he put up 20+ so it's not as if he hasn't shown anything. Frye is a legit starting PF/C, at worst he's an awesome 6th man type of player for a very good team. His contract is appropriate, he's not even all that old yet either. If that pick was a 2012 instead of 2013, I'd be close to accepting. Anyway, as of now I also reject, but this is at least a lot closer to real Amar'e value than the last trade.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 1, 2012 9:29:28 GMT
Just to clarify: Orlando would not have to cut any of the players in this deal, I got that bit wrong.
I still think it's insane to trade a legit superstar for an unproven potential bust though, which is essentially what this trade boils down to. Maybe if Blake showcased a track record of trading that displayed foresight, planning and knowledge I might be willing to accept, but alas that's not the case.
Still a reject.
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