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Post by Julius Erving on Mar 10, 2016 13:20:54 GMT
Current Rating:87
MVP in the making
In last 5 games
33.4 PPG / 5.8 APG / 4.3 RPG / 0.473 FG% / 0.933 FT& / 0.404 3p%
Suggested Rating:89-91
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 10, 2016 14:47:56 GMT
Lmao. MVP in the making. Stupid GMs really trying to push ratings. Its stupid. His rating is more than ok.
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 10, 2016 15:29:13 GMT
88 Steady on there Julius  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 16:39:18 GMT
Lilliard is the 3rd most valuable point guard in a league like this behind curry and RW. In real life rankings he is 4th, when you put CP3 3rd.
I fully believe he deserves an 88.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 16:40:08 GMT
Lmao. MVP in the making. Stupid GMs really trying to push ratings. Its stupid. His rating is more than ok. Careful calling other GMs stupid, JR. You're the one that is upset IT3 is only a 85 lol |
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 10, 2016 17:35:25 GMT
85? If you knew what you were talking about it would be ok. But you dont. I didnt understand the entire rating and attributes situation to begin with. Honestly theres no reason he should be increased. Unless there are attributes of his that can be bettered. Which i dont see how. I mean hes an 87. Whats so bad about that?
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 10, 2016 18:12:44 GMT
I'll go an 89.
He is athletic, but not too athletic. He can score inside and has a deep shot but it isn't great, and he plays above average or average defense and gets everyone involved on offense.
The inflation of the PG in this NBA is just nuts.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 10, 2016 18:29:57 GMT
88
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Mar 10, 2016 19:40:06 GMT
88
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 10, 2016 20:00:51 GMT
87 for now.
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Post by Julius Erving on Mar 12, 2016 0:42:41 GMT
JR. lol.  |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 12, 2016 4:12:29 GMT
88
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Post by Alex English on Mar 12, 2016 18:06:07 GMT
88.
Would be higher, he is carrying the Blazers, but Lillard is one of the worst defenders in the league.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 12, 2016 18:08:39 GMT
he plays above average or average defense and gets everyone involved on offense. It's mind blowing that people can think this about Lillard. Pick any measurement for defense, Lillard is among the worst in every one of them. Worse than Harden. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 12, 2016 20:44:28 GMT
he plays above average or average defense and gets everyone involved on offense. It's mind blowing that people can think this about Lillard. Pick any measurement for defense, Lillard is among the worst in every one of them. Worse than Harden. Here's the way I see it, and in your eyes, or most eyes, it may be wrong. But in here, its my opinion on my vote. Harden has an above average defender in Bev playing next to him. Bev plays what? 30 minutes a night. Not a lot. But, with the way the PG defense is in the NBA, he might as well be considered elite at defense. Ok, so, Bev and Harden are on the floor together, on the defensive end, Bev is manning up on the best guard. Ariza isn't a bad defender either, he's known for a 3 and D guy, at least thats what he is paid for. So he is on the top wing. So that leaves Harden on the worst perimeter player when he shares the floor with those two, which is their starting 5. Now let's face it, not a lot of teams have 3 solid perimeter threats. So, Harden can gamble on defense. And he gambles a lot, to the tune of 1.6 APG. But Harden's problem is focus. When I watch sports, or the coaches, they all talk about staying focused. And when I played sports, mainly baseball, I never really truly understood what they meant by "staying focused" Until I actually genuinely tried to focus in on everything that was needed, every pitch, every thing. And it worked. But Harden doesn't focus on the defensive end. For two reasons, he is way way more focused on the offensive end, and I think everyone would agree with me on that. And the other reason is that he doesn't feel he has to because he is on the worst perimeter guy. Harden has all the tools, he just doesn't care about defense. And it rubs off on to others. Or maybe DWight rubbed it off on Harden. But, when Harden was on the National team, we saw him focusing on defense. He needs a Tom Thibedeau coach, a guy who gets on his ass, and makes him focus. And Harden has a really tough time being a leader, he doesn't know how to do it. He has all the athletic talent in the world, but the thing that will keep him back is what's between his ears. Lillard on the other hand, who's out there with him? No one on that team is as good defensively as Bev, Ariza, or Dwight. So he is manning up the better defenders and looking worse statistically. Also, I really disgaree with the whole defensive win shares bullshit. Its based off of Oliver's book and defensive rating. And I just think its total bull shit. 1 share equals 1 win, won't the teams the win more games have players with higher win shares? In how many instances has the win shares on a team equaled a difference of greater than 5 for total wins of a team for a season? ESPN's Defensive RPM for Harden is -1.01, good for 55th out of 95 qualified SG's. And Harden gets a lot of steals, so when you think about it, and look at the terrible defensive RPM, despite having a near elite steal average, you can't come to any conclusion but that James Harden blows dick on defensive and his awareness is to blame. |
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Post by Alex English on Mar 12, 2016 21:03:59 GMT
I can see what you're saying, but I don't fully agree. I think, like most people, you've decided Harden sucks dick on defense, so you look for things that prove your point. Even though when you consider the full context, it's not that bad. For example: ESPN's Defensive RPM for Harden is -1.01, good for 55th out of 95 qualified SG's. And Harden gets a lot of steals, so when you think about it, and look at the terrible defensive RPM, despite having a near elite steal average, you can't come to any conclusion but that James Harden blows dick on defensive and his awareness is to blame. First, and most obviously, 55th out of 95 is not historically bad, it's slightly below average. Yet in the other thread we're about to make his D Awareness a 40. That's absurdly low, I bet there aren't even 20 guys in the database with a rating lower than that, and maybe three or four guys with an overall rating above 70. Having a rating that low basically just means you suck dick and there aren't enough rating points to go around, so you're stuck with a ridiculously low D Awareness rating. Second, if you keep scrolling past Harden and his -1.01 DRPM you'll find Lillard with a -2.71 DRPM. He's 419th out of 446 NBA players. Like I said, pick any way we measure defense and I'd bet Harden comes in ahead of Lillard. You'll find plenty of other really good players below Harden as well. There is just no reason to rate Harden so low, other than everyone's just decided to shit on him because it's the popular thing to do. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 12, 2016 22:56:38 GMT
I can see what you're saying, but I don't fully agree. I think, like most people, you've decided Harden sucks dick on defense, so you look for things that prove your point. Even though when you consider the full context, it's not that bad. For example: ESPN's Defensive RPM for Harden is -1.01, good for 55th out of 95 qualified SG's. And Harden gets a lot of steals, so when you think about it, and look at the terrible defensive RPM, despite having a near elite steal average, you can't come to any conclusion but that James Harden blows dick on defensive and his awareness is to blame. First, and most obviously, 55th out of 95 is not historically bad, it's slightly below average. Yet in the other thread we're about to make his D Awareness a 40. That's absurdly low, I bet there aren't even 20 guys in the database with a rating lower than that, and maybe three or four guys with an overall rating above 70. Having a rating that low basically just means you suck dick and there aren't enough rating points to go around, so you're stuck with a ridiculously low D Awareness rating. Second, if you keep scrolling past Harden and his -1.01 DRPM you'll find Lillard with a -2.71 DRPM. He's 419th out of 446 NBA players. Like I said, pick any way we measure defense and I'd bet Harden comes in ahead of Lillard. You'll find plenty of other really good players below Harden as well. There is just no reason to rate Harden so low, other than everyone's just decided to shit on him because it's the popular thing to do. ----------------------- Thats because so much of a perimeter player's advanced D stats are based on who they have playing behind them. For example last season when they had Robin Lopez Damian Lillards DRPM was -.37 |
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Mar 14, 2016 8:22:50 GMT
88 ^^
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 15, 2016 20:28:12 GMT
Really don't know that he needs any increase yet.
87.5?
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Post by Brandon Roy on Mar 22, 2016 0:40:18 GMT
88.. he has a good run but now he is slowing
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