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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 3, 2016 12:12:46 GMT
Current: 88
Numbers - 17.7 pts | 6.6 rebs | 1.7 asts | 33.8% 3FG | 44.8% FG
Other than his legit shooting touch, he doesn't have any elite skills already.
Suggestion: 84
Elite Shooting and IQ then average to above average on every other skills is at most an 84.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 3, 2016 14:49:10 GMT
He's playing as well as ever just less minutes 86
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 3, 2016 14:50:46 GMT
This time of year already?
Granted, he's cooled off a bit since starting the season off with 50/50/90 marks, but has still managed to tear it up when called to do so - which Rick Carlisle is actively trying to do less and less so (Also, Parsons and Wes have been killing it recently, but that's another thread).
He's still grabbing boards at a solid rate - comparable to the championship season (11.6% currently compared to 12% in 10/11), isn't the 1 BLK/1 STL guy he used to be in his prime, but still puts up .7 in both categories - not a plus defender, but surprisingly barely a negative at this point. He's not racking up the assists, but he's still a sneaky good passer.
Also, something he's rarely given credit for is how few mistakes he makes on the court - he averages 1 TO per game - currently showing a 5.6% TO rate, 2nd lowest among qualified leaders. That's insane for some who gets the ball as often as Dirk does.
He's not the 90 he used to be, but the hell if he's not as important to the Mavericks as say, Millsap,Ibaka,Pau and Bosh are to their respective teams. I know we're not supposed to compare overalls among players, but seriously, 84? The Mavericks would be an absolute dumpster fire without this man.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 3, 2016 15:06:58 GMT
This time of year already? Granted, he's cooled off a bit since starting the season off with 50/50/90 marks, but has still managed to tear it up when called to do so - which Rick Carlisle is actively trying to do less and less so (Also, Parsons and Wes have been killing it recently, but that's another thread). He's still grabbing boards at a solid rate - comparable to the championship season (11.6% currently compared to 12% in 10/11), isn't the 1 BLK/1 STL guy he used to be in his prime, but still puts up .7 in both categories - not a plus defender, but surprisingly barely a negative at this point. He's not racking up the assists, but he's still a sneaky good passer.
Also, something he's rarely given credit for is how few mistakes he makes on the court - he averages 1 TO per game - currently showing a 5.6% TO rate, 2nd lowest among qualified leaders. That's insane for some who gets the ball as often as Dirk does. He's not the 90 he used to be, but the hell if he's not as important to the Mavericks as say, Millsap,Ibaka,Pau and Bosh are to their respective teams. I know we're not supposed to compare overalls among players, but seriously, 84? The Mavericks would be an absolute dumpster fire without this man. That is 84 to me Danny. I hope you don't take it personal. |
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 3, 2016 15:22:21 GMT
This time of year already? Granted, he's cooled off a bit since starting the season off with 50/50/90 marks, but has still managed to tear it up when called to do so - which Rick Carlisle is actively trying to do less and less so (Also, Parsons and Wes have been killing it recently, but that's another thread). He's still grabbing boards at a solid rate - comparable to the championship season (11.6% currently compared to 12% in 10/11), isn't the 1 BLK/1 STL guy he used to be in his prime, but still puts up .7 in both categories - not a plus defender, but surprisingly barely a negative at this point. He's not racking up the assists, but he's still a sneaky good passer.
Also, something he's rarely given credit for is how few mistakes he makes on the court - he averages 1 TO per game - currently showing a 5.6% TO rate, 2nd lowest among qualified leaders. That's insane for some who gets the ball as often as Dirk does. He's not the 90 he used to be, but the hell if he's not as important to the Mavericks as say, Millsap,Ibaka,Pau and Bosh are to their respective teams. I know we're not supposed to compare overalls among players, but seriously, 84? The Mavericks would be an absolute dumpster fire without this man. That is 84 to me Danny. I hope you don't take it personal. Eh, ultimately, we're a bunch of guys bs-ing about basketball over the internet - we get riled up every once in a while, but it's still a game when you get down to it. Nothing personal here. It's just frustrating because it's the same story every year, with Dirk being undersold while he silently carries the Mavericks to another playoff year. Put any of those other forwards with the teams Dirk's been carrying, they don't do nearly as well, don't nearly win as much. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 16:15:43 GMT
Millsap and Ibaka shouldn't be an 84 either. Pau maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 20:45:36 GMT
Idk how Ibaka is over an 81. He is a roleplayer at best, and he isn't having a great year. I vote 84 for Dirk All he does is take open shots at the elbow and the corner. He can't create his own shots at all. |
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Post by Allen Iverson on Mar 3, 2016 21:06:13 GMT
THE FALL OF THE GOAT SIM PLAYER.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 3, 2016 21:27:28 GMT
84 sounds good. He's basically Ryan Anderson at this point.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Mar 3, 2016 21:55:40 GMT
85 ^^
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 3, 2016 22:17:26 GMT
87
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Post by James Kay on Mar 3, 2016 22:22:20 GMT
84 sounds good. He's basically Ryan Anderson at this point. Except he gets more points, boards, assists, steals, and blocks with better FG%, 3p%, and FT%. And turns the ball over less. Oh and he's leading a team to the playoffs. 87 for me. I think his shooting/IQ/results and mediocre defense/his height should earn him enough points for that level. |
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Post by Alex English on Mar 3, 2016 23:28:05 GMT
Except he gets more points, boards, assists, steals, and blocks with better FG%, 3p%, and FT%. And turns the ball over less. Oh and he's leading a team to the playoffs. 87 for me. I think his shooting/IQ/results and mediocre defense/his height should earn him enough points for that level. Quick! Which one is Dirk and which one is Anderson? Player A: 31.0 mpg, 17.7 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.7 apg, 0.7 spg, 0.7 bpg, 44.8 FG%, 38.8 3P%, 88.9 FT% Player B: 30.7 mpg, 17.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.0 apg, 0.6 spg, 0.4 bpg, 43.2 FG%, 38.2 3P%, 87.2 FT% Obviously, you just compared their stats so you know, but my point is clear. The fact that it isn't extremely obvious is what I'm getting at. Dirk is 37 years old now, and he's fading into just another solid stretch four. Yea he still adds a lot of intangibles other stretch fours can't, but he's in the twilight of his career. Time is undefeated. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 4, 2016 0:15:18 GMT
It doesn't matter. You can't kill the Sim God.
He gets an 87 from me. He's a point less in athletic stats. Nothing else should change IMO.
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Post by Brandon Roy on Mar 4, 2016 5:30:11 GMT
86 for me..
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 4, 2016 17:36:15 GMT
I know we shouldn't be comparing players ovrs that much. But are there any PFs that aren't doing as good as Nowitzki this year that are rated the same as he is?
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Post by Alex English on Mar 4, 2016 17:38:48 GMT
I know we shouldn't be comparing players ovrs that much. But are there any PFs that aren't doing as good as Nowitzki this year that are rated the same as he is? No. Dirk is getting a big lifetime achievement rating bump in this thread. |
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 4, 2016 18:06:07 GMT
That is 84 to me Danny. I hope you don't take it personal. Eh, ultimately, we're a bunch of guys bs-ing about basketball over the internet - we get riled up every once in a while, but it's still a game when you get down to it. Nothing personal here. It's just frustrating because it's the same story every year, with Dirk being undersold while he silently carries the Mavericks to another playoff year. Put any of those other forwards with the teams Dirk's been carrying, they don't do nearly as well, don't nearly win as much.
Same goes for Duncan. Every year guys try to lower the star vets to better their own chances. Guys like Dirk and TD get their team to the playoffs Every year!! Spurs just clinched their 19th straight playoff appearance!!
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Post by Alex English on Mar 4, 2016 19:05:34 GMT
Same goes for Duncan. Every year guys try to lower the star vets to better their own chances. Guys like Dirk and TD get their team to the playoffs Every year!! Spurs just clinched their 19th straight playoff appearance!! What would that be like without these guys?? Duncan is a role player this year. It's actually nuts for him to be rated an 86. He's putting up just 8 point and 7 rebounds for the Spurs. He's not carrying them anywhere. The Spurs are so good because of Kawhi Leonard and LaMarcus Aldridge. Tony Parker is still doing okay too. Dirk is at least still the leader on his team. With Deron Williams, Chandler Parsons, Wesley Mathews and a good addition in David Lee, he has a solid supporting cast though. With the Mavs at just 33-29 Dirk isn't doing anything extraordinary this season in terms of making them successful. |
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 4, 2016 20:05:26 GMT
Thats because TD doesnt have to. Doesnt mean he cant. Or has not. Lep ard and Aldrige is the future but looking back over the year the wealth for wins is spread evenly.
As for Dirk... Hes still an amazing scorer. Not as previous years but lets drop him lots now to see his team eventually knock of a better team and have a chance at the title just like you guys did to TD a few years back. You wanted to drop his tating..then the Spurs won it all again...with alot to do with him!
I just dont get why you guys want to drop vet star player ratings when they can still perform above most at their position. These guys play team ball and win! Its not like they are on bad teams and they suck with their production less. Yet a young pup plays good half a season and you guys are ready to make them an 80+.
I cant argue that his rating should go down. It will..in time. But not when its 55 games into the season. Duncan and Dirk will still win a few games in the reg season and im sure we will see it come the playoffs. We are talking two of the best to ever play. Not a 2 yr rental scrub.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 21:50:48 GMT
Dirk's TS% is his worst since his rookie year, which was 17 years ago.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 4, 2016 23:22:15 GMT
Thats because TD doesnt have to. Doesnt mean he cant. Or has not. Lep ard and Aldrige is the future but looking back over the year the wealth for wins is spread evenly. As for Dirk... Hes still an amazing scorer. Not as previous years but lets drop him lots now to see his team eventually knock of a better team and have a chance at the title just like you guys did to TD a few years back. You wanted to drop his tating..then the Spurs won it all again...with alot to do with him! I just dont get why you guys want to drop vet star player ratings when they can still perform above most at their position. These guys play team ball and win! Its not like they are on bad teams and they suck with their production less. Yet a young pup plays good half a season and you guys are ready to make them an 80+. I cant argue that his rating should go down. It will..in time. But not when its 55 games into the season. Duncan and Dirk will still win a few games in the reg season and im sure we will see it come the playoffs. We are talking two of the best to ever play. Not a 2 yr rental scrub. You have a good point JR. And this is basically why we have a stockwatch. To come out with a rating that was voted by GMs (not majority anymore) with different point of views and angles. The rating that we came up with it is basically the best rating for the benefit of everyone who voted. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 5, 2016 3:09:56 GMT
I vote 85. He drops a bit each year. Still elite at what he does.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 8, 2016 11:28:56 GMT
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 8, 2016 12:52:58 GMT
Dirk's dropped 16,30 and 22 since this thread started, and his only real clunker since February was the 4/16 FG game against the Magic. The Mavericks have done an amazing job of wasting what could be some of Dirk's last great games, but he's still putting out an amazing performance here and there.
I'm not even going to touch the "Dirk is basically Ryan Anderson" comment outside of this - if RyNo did half the shit Dirk does, we'd be talking about how the Pels are in the playoff chase - apparently a 92 in Anthony Davis and a Dirk equivalent is only worth a 24-38 record IRL.
I voted an 88 in the previous thread, and I think he's every bit the player he was last year if not slightly better so, 88.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 3:50:50 GMT
Lol the Pelicans have been starting people off the street at guard all year, check yourself.
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 9, 2016 11:47:44 GMT
Lol the Pelicans have been starting people off the street at guard all year, check yourself. Yeah, because the Mavericks' guard situation has been absolutely beautiful this season - It's a coaches' dream to play a backcourt of Felton/Barea/Harris and the shells of Deron and Wes Matthews (Who I actually love this season, but let's face it, he's just not 100% yet) . Also can't forget that the Mavs have this dominant athletic beast in Zaza Pachulia to draw defenders off Dirk . |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 17:12:08 GMT
Lol the Pelicans have been starting people off the street at guard all year, check yourself. Yeah, because the Mavericks' guard situation has been absolutely beautiful this season - It's a coaches' dream to play a backcourt of Felton/Barea/Harris and the shells of Deron and Wes Matthews (Who I actually love this season, but let's face it, he's just not 100% yet) . Also can't forget that the Mavs have this dominant athletic beast in Zaza Pachulia to draw defenders off Dirk . If you are even comparing Deron Williams and Wesley Matthews and Barea to fucking Toney Douglas Bryce Dejeqn Jones you're clearly nuts. |
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 9, 2016 17:34:44 GMT
Yeah, because the Mavericks' guard situation has been absolutely beautiful this season - It's a coaches' dream to play a backcourt of Felton/Barea/Harris and the shells of Deron and Wes Matthews (Who I actually love this season, but let's face it, he's just not 100% yet) . Also can't forget that the Mavs have this dominant athletic beast in Zaza Pachulia to draw defenders off Dirk . If you are even comparing Deron Williams and Wesley Matthews and Barea to fucking Toney Douglas Bryce Dejeqn Jones you're clearly nuts. Holiday's played 1 game more than Deron, and Norris Cole's at least been passable. I'll give you the Pels having to play Alonzo Gee significant minutes, but that still doesn't make up for getting to play off an MVP level guy in Anthony Davis. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 18:38:57 GMT
If you are even comparing Deron Williams and Wesley Matthews and Barea to fucking Toney Douglas Bryce Dejeqn Jones you're clearly nuts. Holiday's played 1 game more than Deron, and Norris Cole's at least been passable. I'll give you the Pels having to play Alonzo Gee significant minutes, but that still doesn't make up for getting to play off an MVP level guy in Anthony Davis. Holiday was on a 25 minute restriction until January. Their centers have been either Asik (LOL) or Perkins (LOL). You can talk all you want about Dirk, but if ZaZa wasn't on that team the Mavericks would be in the tank just like the Pelicans. The pelicans literally have 3 MAYBE 4 (Health) NBA level players on their roster. Except for AD, Jrue, and Cole they are just as bad as the 76ers. AD has literally won us like 20 more games than the sixers have managed. |
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