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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 31, 2016 20:55:12 GMT
Just because a bunch of people are/were doing it, doesn't make it ethical, either, James. Re: 2009 United States Financial Crisis Haha cmon man, that wasn't my point at all. and those are far from analogous situations. You're grasping at straws now man. Smoking weed isn't analogous and you brought that in to it. Yes, I will be coming after Westbrook. I don't think me questioning your ethics dampens your credentials to sign him. What I think most dampens yours, or mine, for that matter, ability to sign him is the Stephen A. report about how he wants to go to the Lakers, which just popped off about an hour ago. Stephen A called the Wade/Bosh/Bron to Miami weeks before it happened and was in on the Re-Decision when people were calling it crazy. Who knows what will happen for Westbrook. I had been talking to Julius, as I think a lot of teams were, and, if I were him, I would have taken the offer he was trying to get from me over this one. But I was not willing to ante up on someone for the fear that I would not be able to resign him. If extensions were possible, I think Westbrook's value changes, and I think if Sign and Trades are possible, I think Julius doesn't trade him at all, as this is slightly less of a haul he would have received in a Sign and Trade, but those would be so hard to implement. Here's looking forward to the 2016 OSFA process |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 31, 2016 20:56:16 GMT
Ian NobleHey so I updated the trade, this wasn't as trade-breaking as it sounded originally lol. Didn't need to go "back to the drawing board" or anything. Just added the expirings of Jefferson and Felton. SAC will still have to cut 2 players and I will have to sign 1. Salaries work under 125% rule - I send out $30,817,099 in salary and receive $37,988,375 - which is less than 125%: $38,521,373. This is a minor detail and shouldn't require re-voting or anything, IMO, just making it all work within the rules. I will check this tomorrow now but if it all checks out I don't think the trade committee need to re-vote, it would just be pedantic! Thanks James. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 31, 2016 20:59:50 GMT
It's always been 125%, for years and in the old league and in other leagues and in the NBA. Just slight confusion from Charles for, who knows what reason?
Anyway.
I accept the new trade for what it's worth.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 31, 2016 21:00:47 GMT
Haha cmon man, that wasn't my point at all. and those are far from analogous situations. You're grasping at straws now man. Smoking weed isn't analogous and you brought that in to it. I don't know why I thought it was 110%, that's why I asked when it changed. Or maybe, is it that if you are already over, it needs to be within 10% receiving. I can see how it is different from your situation, easy to get them mixed up. Yes, I will be coming after Westbrook. I don't think me questioning your ethics dampens your credentials to sign him. What I think most dampens yours, or mine, for that matter, ability to sign him is the Stephen A. report about how he wants to go to the Lakers, which just popped off about an hour ago. Stephen A called the Wade/Bosh/Bron to Miami weeks before it happened and was in on the Re-Decision when people were calling it crazy. Who knows what will happen for Westbrook. I had been talking to Julius, as I think a lot of teams were, and, if I were him, I would have taken the offer he was trying to get from me over this one. But I was not willing to ante up on someone for the fear that I would not be able to resign him. If extensions were possible, I think Westbrook's value changes, and I think if Sign and Trades are possible, I think Julius doesn't trade him at all, as this is slightly less of a haul he would have received in a Sign and Trade, but those would be so hard to implement. Here's looking forward to the 2016 OSFA process lol yeah Stephen A may have called that, but he also does say a lot of bogus things too haha. I'm very very confident in my ability to re-sign Westbrook. I don't think he will be going anywhere. |
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Post by Julius Erving on Jan 31, 2016 22:15:50 GMT
Wait, This is not what I have on my mind. I don't want to include Richard Jefferson in this deal.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 31, 2016 22:22:38 GMT
Figure it out please guys.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 31, 2016 22:41:54 GMT
Figure it out please guys. Sorry, miscommunication. Figuring it out. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 1:13:30 GMT
CB I'm pretty sure the rule is just 125% if your team ends up over the cap at the end of the trade, I don't think it differs based on your cap situation pre-trade.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 1, 2016 1:14:43 GMT
Smoking weed isn't analogous and you brought that in to it. I don't know why I thought it was 110%, that's why I asked when it changed. Or maybe, is it that if you are already over, it needs to be within 10% receiving. I can see how it is different from your situation, easy to get them mixed up. Yes, I will be coming after Westbrook. I don't think me questioning your ethics dampens your credentials to sign him. What I think most dampens yours, or mine, for that matter, ability to sign him is the Stephen A. report about how he wants to go to the Lakers, which just popped off about an hour ago. Stephen A called the Wade/Bosh/Bron to Miami weeks before it happened and was in on the Re-Decision when people were calling it crazy. Who knows what will happen for Westbrook. I had been talking to Julius, as I think a lot of teams were, and, if I were him, I would have taken the offer he was trying to get from me over this one. But I was not willing to ante up on someone for the fear that I would not be able to resign him. If extensions were possible, I think Westbrook's value changes, and I think if Sign and Trades are possible, I think Julius doesn't trade him at all, as this is slightly less of a haul he would have received in a Sign and Trade, but those would be so hard to implement. Here's looking forward to the 2016 OSFA process lol yeah Stephen A may have called that, but he also does say a lot of bogus things too haha. I'm very very confident in my ability to re-sign Westbrook. I don't think he will be going anywhere. I think he comes to Houston to play with his college teammate Kevin Love and the Hometown Hero Jimmy Butler. |
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Post by James Kay on Feb 1, 2016 4:12:24 GMT
Figure it out please guys. Jason Terry instead of RJ. Same salary, no change really. |
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Post by Brandon Roy on Feb 1, 2016 8:27:55 GMT
good trade for the 3 teams specially for CHarlotte.. Sacramento have great future with what he acquire..
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Post by Alex English on Feb 1, 2016 10:28:26 GMT
I reject, not that it will matter by the looks of it.
Sacramento doesn't get back anything even close to Westbrook. Basketball is quality over quantity. There are hundreds of people who could replace Lopez, Chandler, Barton, O'Quinn, and even Porter who is the centerpiece acquisition here. You can get guys that talented easily in free agency or in trades. There are like ten guys who are on a level with Westbrook, and I don't even like the guy. You get guys like that at all costs and hold on to them as long as possible. Those picks are nothing special too. The Charlotte picks will be awful, the Dallas one might be alright if he starts rebuilding, but who knows.
I know Julius is worried about losing Westbrook in the offseason, but this could be the move that sets up losing both Westbrook and Lillard. I'd be looking long and hard and only be trading Westbrook on the very last day of the season unless the offer was amazing. Seems like there should be tons of offers as good as this one out there.
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Post by Shane Battier on Feb 1, 2016 11:03:38 GMT
IMO, James is willing to take this risk because he feels that he can win in the East right now given the inconsistencies and struggles of the top three teams in the East last season. I'm not sure why he would want to take Varejao with that bad contract though. Either he has already traded him in principle or he's going to use Varejao to help his case in signing LeBron ...  |
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Post by Julius Erving on Feb 1, 2016 11:56:21 GMT
C'mon James Kay, include KCP or Khris Middleton! Hahahaha! |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 1, 2016 11:58:56 GMT
IMO, James is willing to take this risk because he feels that he can win in the East right now given the inconsistencies and struggles of the top three teams in the East last season. I'm not sure why he would want to take Varejao with that bad contract though. Either he has already traded him in principle or he's going to use Varejao to help his case in signing LeBron ... You mean Cleveland right? |
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 1, 2016 20:11:23 GMT
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Post by Larry Bird on Feb 1, 2016 20:12:42 GMT
We are working on an additional part where he would just send them to me instead of cutting them.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 1, 2016 20:25:28 GMT
We are working on an additional part where he would just send them to me instead of cutting them.  I love it when I get to use gifs |
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Post by James Kay on Feb 1, 2016 20:29:57 GMT
We are working on an additional part where he would just send them to me instead of cutting them. I love it when I get to use gifs I am not involved in this lol just give me the Brodie please |
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Post by Julius Erving on Feb 2, 2016 0:15:54 GMT
Where's KCP James Kay ? C'mon dude. Hahahaha. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 2, 2016 20:10:39 GMT
We are working on an additional part where he would just send them to me instead of cutting them. Any word on this? |
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Post by Larry Bird on Feb 2, 2016 20:38:39 GMT
Ive sent an updated version to both James and Julius.
Wating on a response from Mr. Irving.
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Post by Larry Bird on Feb 6, 2016 5:10:26 GMT
Sacramento Sends:
93 Russell Westbrook $17,775,975
78 Anderson Varejao $7,000,000 $7,500,000 $8,000,000
71 Wayne Ellington $3,885,000 $4,312,350 $4,786,708
72 Jason Terry $1,400,000
71 Ian Mahinmi $1,500,000 $1,500,000
68 Garrett Temple $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Sacramento receives:
77 Otto Porter $2,409,800 $2,498,396 $2,570,189
80 Robin Lopez $5,073,118 $5,750,161 $6,500,000
76 Jerryd Bayless $3,480,360 $3,970,540
74 Kyle O'Quinn $2,500,000 $3,000,000 $3,500,000 $4,000,000
69 Will Barton $1,014,672
72 Kent Bazemore $1,700,000 $2,000,000
65 Nate Wolters $4,240,000
2016 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Dallas 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 2nd Round Pick
2018 Toronto 2nd Round Pick
2018 LA Clippers 2nd Round Pick
2019 Toronto 2nd Round Pick
2019 Charlotte 2nd round Pick
John Salmons $490,180
DeShawn Stevenson $1,470,540
Salary Outgoing: $32,530,975
Salary Incoming: $22,378,670
Charlotte Sends:
78 Reggie Jackson $3,222,788
77 Otto Porter $2,409,800 $2,498,396 $2,570,189
80 Robin Lopez $5,073,118 $5,750,161 $6,500,000
76 John Henson $2,491,033 $3,445,098
76 Jerryd Bayless $3,480,360 $3,970,540
74 Kyle O'Quinn $2,500,000 $3,000,000 $3,500,000 $4,000,000
77 Wilson Chandler $7,400,000
65 Nate Wolters $4,240,000
2016 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 2nd Round Pick
2019 Toronto 2nd Round Pick
2019 Charlotte 2nd round Pick
Charlotte Receives:
93 Russell Westbrook $17,775,975
79 JJ Hickson $5,927,400 $6,579,414
78 Anderson Varejao $7,000,000 $7,500,000 $8,000,000
72 Jason Terry $1,400,000
71 Wayne Ellington $3,885,000 $4,312,350 $4,786,708
72 Tayshaun Prince $2,000,000
Salary Outgoing: $30,817,099
Salary Incoming: $37,988,375
Indiana Sends:
69 Will Barton $1,014,672
72 Kent Bazemore $1,700,000 $2,000,000
79 JJ Hickson $5,927,400 $6,579,414
72 Tayshaun Prince $2,000,000
2018 Dallas 1st Round Pick
2018 Toronto 2nd Round Pick
2018 LA Clippers 2nd Round Pick
John Salmons $490,180
DeShawn Stevenson $1,470,540
Indiana Receives:
78 Reggie Jackson $3,222,788
77 Wilson Chandler $7,400,000
76 John Henson $2,491,033 $3,445,098
71 Ian Mahinmi $1,500,000 $1,500,000
68 Garrett Temple $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Salary Outgoing: $12,602,792
Salary Incoming: $15,613,821
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 6, 2016 11:28:22 GMT
Trade finally passed. The changes have just been minor so I'm not going to put this one back to vote.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 6, 2016 11:29:39 GMT
Larry Bird, James Kay, Julius Erving - if you guys could double-check the Rosters page just to make sure I've got all of this correct I'd appreciate it! Thanks.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 6, 2016 11:36:58 GMT
Both Indy and Sacramento need to cut 1 player still.
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Post by Julius Erving on Feb 6, 2016 13:05:24 GMT
Both Indy and Sacramento need to cut 1 player still. I've already cut Felton |
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Post by Larry Bird on Feb 6, 2016 14:31:17 GMT
I accept.
I get a shot at a franchise PG.
I'll have the cap room to resign him.
I also get 4 good role players.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Apr 26, 2016 23:55:23 GMT
I know some people do not care what I think, and if that applies to you then go fuck yourself, but I feel like I should say something about this trade. 1000% true, Julius Erving deserves NO blame for this trade! Rather, I would blame the parties involved, me included, and the most of all the rules. CAN YOU PLEASE REFORM YOUR STUPID RULES SO THAT TEAMS CANNOT GET RAPED IN THE ASS!!!!!!! Honestly, Erving got a pretty decent deal considering the circumstances. I reject, not that it will matter by the looks of it. Sacramento doesn't get back anything even close to Westbrook. Basketball is quality over quantity. There are hundreds of people who could replace Lopez, Chandler, Barton, O'Quinn, and even Porter who is the centerpiece acquisition here. You can get guys that talented easily in free agency or in trades. There are like ten guys who are on a level with Westbrook, and I don't even like the guy. You get guys like that at all costs and hold on to them as long as possible. Those picks are nothing special too. The Charlotte picks will be awful, the Dallas one might be alright if he starts rebuilding, but who knows. I know Julius is worried about losing Westbrook in the offseason, but this could be the move that sets up losing both Westbrook and Lillard. I'd be looking long and hard and only be trading Westbrook on the very last day of the season unless the offer was amazing. Seems like there should be tons of offers as good as this one out there.
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Post by James Kay on Dec 29, 2016 20:27:19 GMT
I feel like trading for Westbrook would only be advantageous for a team if it will put the team over top and have them contending for the championship. I don't think Charlotte is one of those teams. And I don't really think because a player is on a team for 6 months it gives the re-signing team that big of an advantage. |
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