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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 18, 2016 0:02:16 GMT
Current: 80
Per Game: 8.4 pts | 5.7 rebs | 1.6 asts | 1.3 blks | 51.4% FG
He is an elite defender but his post skills are below average, rebounding is below average too. There is no way he is an 80.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 0:07:39 GMT
77
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 18, 2016 0:17:17 GMT
It's only been half a season on a new team give him time. 79
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Post by James Kay on Jan 18, 2016 0:23:59 GMT
79
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 18, 2016 0:31:36 GMT
79. Cavs, you need to start putting your suggested rating in the initial post.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 18, 2016 0:46:37 GMT
No disrespect James but how can he be a 79?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 0:49:28 GMT
78. Cavs, you need to start putting your suggested rating in the initial post. Why? It's probably better he doesn't, tbh. It'll bias the voting less. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 18, 2016 1:12:48 GMT
I get your point. I look at it as we need every vote possible since 10-15 people don't vote ever.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 18, 2016 1:13:42 GMT
Would be interesting if you just posted a player and said, Robin Lopez 80.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 1:15:39 GMT
I get your point. I look at it as we need every vote possible since 10-15 people don't vote ever. He can always post his vote at a later point  |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 18, 2016 1:47:26 GMT
80
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Post by James Kay on Jan 18, 2016 2:25:01 GMT
No disrespect James but how can he be a 79?? Brian voted a 79, why don't you ask him too?? His per36 have not changed. I thought you were all about rating players based on their ability ... He plays less minutes in NY but he is still a very solid defensive anchor that sets hard screens and shoots 50+ FG and 80+ FT. His RBD numbers don't reflect his contribution on the boards as he boxes out a lot. He's actually shown himself to be a pretty decent passer out of the high block in the triangle system on the Knicks. AND if anything he's improved as a scorer - he's actually doubled his FGA from the 3-10ft range and actually increased his FG% of those shots to 51%. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 18, 2016 4:06:37 GMT
He's playing great actually. His assist percentage is the highest it's ever been and he's already almost surpassed his personal total assists record for a season in only 49 games.
His rebounding percentage is about the same as last season and his block rate is the best its been in 3 years.
He's also shooting a career high from FT.
80, no change.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 4:07:52 GMT
He's playing great actually. His assist percentage is the highest it's ever been and he's already almost surpassed his personal total assists record for a season in only 49 games. His rebounding percentage is about the same as last season and his block rate is the best its been in 3 years. He's also shooting a career high from FT. 80, no change. Yeah but all those numbers aren't for an 80. So while he isn't doing worse, 80 is too high for who he is & was. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 18, 2016 4:12:14 GMT
He's losing minutes because teams go small and that leaves them going with power forwards at center. He's not any worse than he was.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 4:20:02 GMT
He's losing minutes because teams go small and that leaves them going with power forwards at center. He's not any worse than he was. Yeah but he shouldn't of been an 80 in the first place  |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 18, 2016 4:29:22 GMT
No disrespect James but how can he be a 79?? Brian voted a 79, why don't you ask him too?? His per36 have not changed. I thought you were all about rating players based on their ability ... He plays less minutes in NY but he is still a very solid defensive anchor that sets hard screens and shoots 50+ FG and 80+ FT. His RBD numbers don't reflect his contribution on the boards as he boxes out a lot. He's actually shown himself to be a pretty decent passer out of the high block in the triangle system on the Knicks. AND if anything he's improved as a scorer - he's actually doubled his FGA from the 3-10ft range and actually increased his FG% of those shots to 51%. Come on James, you know that I love you more than Brian.  Yeah, but does his skills accounts to an 80? That is basically my point. It is not really about his regression or improvement. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 18, 2016 4:35:02 GMT
Exactly, he was overrated and this is brining him back down to where he needs to be.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 18, 2016 5:44:27 GMT
Brian voted a 79, why don't you ask him too?? His per36 have not changed. I thought you were all about rating players based on their ability ... He plays less minutes in NY but he is still a very solid defensive anchor that sets hard screens and shoots 50+ FG and 80+ FT. His RBD numbers don't reflect his contribution on the boards as he boxes out a lot. He's actually shown himself to be a pretty decent passer out of the high block in the triangle system on the Knicks. AND if anything he's improved as a scorer - he's actually doubled his FGA from the 3-10ft range and actually increased his FG% of those shots to 51%. Come on James, you know that I love you more than Brian. Yeah, but does his skills accounts to an 80? That is basically my point. It is not really about his regression or improvement. Haha sorry that just doesn't align with the way you've rated in the past, but w.e. Yeah, I mean, he's probably not an 80 but I think his non-box score contributions would earn him a solid 78-79. Just an insignificant rating decrease imo. |
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Post by Brandon Roy on Jan 18, 2016 9:49:45 GMT
78.. if Porzingis improves more, he'll have lower PT..
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jan 18, 2016 23:15:05 GMT
78 ^^
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Post by James Kay on Jan 21, 2016 2:32:18 GMT
Also playing great lately with more minutes.... last 15 games he's averaging almost 30 minutes llpts, 7boards, 2 blocks, 58 FG%, 87 FT%
Edit: Beasting tonight on Gobert of all people
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 2:49:17 GMT
Also playing great lately with more minutes.... last 15 games he's averaging almost 30 minutes llpts, 7boards, 2 blocks, 58 FG%, 87 FT% Edit: Beasting tonight on Gobert of all people Does anyone want to say someone that gets 11-7-2 in 30 minutes is an 80? Is that the world we live in now? |
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Post by James Kay on Jan 22, 2016 3:22:39 GMT
Also playing great lately with more minutes.... last 15 games he's averaging almost 30 minutes llpts, 7boards, 2 blocks, 58 FG%, 87 FT% Edit: Beasting tonight on Gobert of all people Does anyone want to say someone that gets 11-7-2 in 30 minutes is an 80? Is that the world we live in now? When it's a high IQ center who can shoot elite FTs and is a good passer sure |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 22, 2016 3:36:52 GMT
Does anyone want to say someone that gets 11-7-2 in 30 minutes is an 80? Is that the world we live in now? When it's a high IQ center who can shoot elite FTs and is a good passer sure Not a shabby defender/effort guy too. I think he's in that 80 range. Think I put down a 79 but I honestly think I'll bring it back up to an 80. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 3:38:27 GMT
and those stats are just over the last couple games... ugh. sim robin lopez is gonna demolish the stats of IRL lopez at an 80.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 22, 2016 3:59:21 GMT
and those stats are just over the last couple games... ugh. sim robin lopez is gonna demolish the stats of IRL lopez at an 80. Well he wasnt really getting minutes for those games. Fisher has been looose with the rotations up until now - Seraphin O'Quinn and Williams were all putting in significant time to start the season to get involved and now Fisher is tightening up rotations. Knicks just paid Lopez a ton of money, he's a good player. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 22, 2016 4:45:12 GMT
Votes Tallied, Closed. You can continue arguing if you wish.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 5:01:43 GMT
Votes Tallied, Closed. You can continue arguing if you wish. We keep threads open for only 5 days now? |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 22, 2016 5:21:25 GMT
Votes Tallied, Closed. You can continue arguing if you wish. We keep threads open for only 5 days now? There has been 9 votes thats more than most threads get. I just wanna make sure I get it tallied so it doesn't fall to the depths of unchanged players by accident. Unless like 4 people roll in with votes way 1 sided this OVR isn't changing much. |
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