Kevin Hollis
Former Thunder GM for 7 years
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Dec 7, 2015 14:19:13 GMT
Current Rating: 72
Suggested Rating: 78
CJ has been playing at a high level this season.
MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG BLKPG STLPG TOPG PPG
35.0 .427 .39 .881 3.6 3.7 .3 1.0 2.2 19.4
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 7, 2015 16:15:12 GMT
I think you might be under rating him, though I get he plays on a somewhat bad team. 80
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 7, 2015 16:15:39 GMT
If he keeps this up till the all star break I'd go even higher
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Post by Sam Bowie on Dec 7, 2015 16:41:17 GMT
77 is fine for now I think. He can get better later if needed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 17:12:58 GMT
20 games is all you need now to get an 80?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Dec 8, 2015 1:06:46 GMT
20 games is all you need now to get an 80? 75 Adam's opinion is not related to our conservative approach to Hassan. Trust me.  |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 8, 2015 14:56:45 GMT
He's the second best scorer on a surprisingly competitive Trailblazers team. He's pretty good for a guy who's been passed around D5 like trade throw in since he was drafted.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Dec 8, 2015 23:47:37 GMT
A lot of his stats are blotted but respectable.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 9, 2015 2:44:35 GMT
He's the second best scorer on a surprisingly competitive Trailblazers team. He's pretty good for a guy who's been passed around D5 like trade throw in since he was drafted. 77 Uh...? I drafted CJ and haven't dealt him once. Not saying I knew he would be this good, but I did THINK he could be this good. He's a 78 for now, room to go higher due to current SSS. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 9, 2015 5:26:33 GMT
He's the second best scorer on a surprisingly competitive Trailblazers team. He's pretty good for a guy who's been passed around D5 like trade throw in since he was drafted. 77 Uh...? I drafted CJ and haven't dealt him once. Not saying I knew he would be this good, but I did THINK he could be this good. He's a 78 for now, room to go higher due to current SSS. Is there another CJ that has been? I might be mixing him up with another SG who came out of nowhere this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 5:59:20 GMT
Uh...? I drafted CJ and haven't dealt him once. Not saying I knew he would be this good, but I did THINK he could be this good. He's a 78 for now, room to go higher due to current SSS. Is there another CJ that has been? I might be mixing him up with another SG who came out of nowhere this season. You're thinking of Cory Joseph. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 9, 2015 21:35:36 GMT
CJ Miles
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Dec 11, 2015 23:53:07 GMT
77
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 12, 2015 3:09:53 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 25, 2015 3:32:06 GMT
OK, I'm bumping this up and probably modifying my vote as well (I'll change that older post). I decided to do this after looking at DeRozan's Stockwatch, shortly after I looked at CJ's stats while assessing a trade. So, anyway. - I'm not saying "DeRozan has this rating so give CJ the same" or whatever. They're different players, one is much more established in the NBA and has done it longer, of course.
- To make the case for McCollum though, I will say this is his 3rd year in the league, but he's been on the Blazers who have been very picky and cautious with their rotations in the past. He also struggled with injuries.
- He was a lotto pick coming out of a small school (Lehigh University - I live w/in an hour of it and had barely heard of it before he was being scouted by the NBA), but he was doing the same things he's doing now when he was in college, so these attributes and skills aren't a huge surprise. We're just witnessing him turning them all into NBA-level attributed and skills.
Moving on...He's shot up this year to playing 35 mpg. He's a huge part of their team, clearly, just based on the # of minutes alone. His FG% has stabilized overall, and he's really improved his mid-range FG% (45% from 10 feet out to the 3pt line - used to shoot around 40% in that range last year). He's also doubled his AST% from 10.3 to 20.6, and he's playing 30% of his minutes at PG, so he's got some PG skills and the Blazers trust him there. The numbers: 20.1 ppg / 3.4 rpg / 4.0 apg / 1.2 spg / 0.3 bpg / 2.2 TO / 43.6% FG / 40.1% 3P / 86.7% FT Now again, I know DeRozan's been doing this longer, but look at his #'s 22.7 ppg / 4.4 rpg / 4.0 apg / 1.0 spg / 0.3 bpg / 2.5 TO / 44.6% FG / 25.0% 3P / 84.2% FT If we pretended for a moment that both players were in the same draft class and both broke out this year, I think overall they're having a pretty similar impact. DeRozan is a bit better rebounder, but also taller and more of a SF in size so that could explain some of it. McCollum counters that with better steal and TO #'s. DeRozan takes FG by 1%, but McCollumtakes FT by 2.5%. Then McCollum dominates on 3PT% in this comparison, by 15.1%. DeRozan scores more but I'm going to chalk that up to usage (28.7 for DeRozan and 26.1 for McCollum) and more shots for DeRozan from the FT line (about 5-6 more per game, so that's the big difference). Still, slashing strength for DeRozan and 3PT strength for McCollu, you could definitely make an argument that they're overall pretty similar in total affect on the game. But, again, I'm not asking for an 84-86 on McCollum. I am asking for a bit higher rating than many people gave him, because remember, he's shown these skills all along (his career 3PT% in 3 seasons is 39.4) from college through the pros at different points. My 78 was low, though I did case it with a "if he does it longer, I'll go higher" and I'd stand by that. I just think it's still too low, and he still has room to go up into that 84-86 range that DeRozan is hanging around in, if he does it longer. My new vote is an 81. 20 - 3 - 4 + 1 steal, 40% from 3, 87% from the line. If he keeps it up (and who knows, improves any more?), I'll go higher. Thanks for reading :-) |
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Kevin Hollis
Former Thunder GM for 7 years
All Star
Posts: 2,838
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Dec 25, 2015 4:04:05 GMT
I am staying with my rating as specified in other threads.
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Kevin Hollis
Former Thunder GM for 7 years
All Star
Posts: 2,838
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Dec 25, 2015 14:34:35 GMT
I am staying with my rating as specified in other threads. I will say that if his play continues at the break, I will create a new thread and rate him higher. |
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Post by James Kay on Dec 25, 2015 17:53:09 GMT
80
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Dec 25, 2015 23:17:39 GMT
78 ^^
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 29, 2015 13:09:49 GMT
If DeMar's 3pt % was the same he'd be averaging 30 points per game giving Steph a run for his money for MVP. If anything this is an arguement for both DeMar and CJ. I'm gonna stick with my vote on both as it looks like they are both getting a good boost anyways.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 29, 2015 13:34:15 GMT
If DeMar's 3pt % was the same he'd be averaging 30 points per game giving Steph a run for his money for MVP. If anything this is an arguement for both DeMar and CJ. I'm gonna stick with my vote on both as it looks like they are both getting a good boost anyways. We'd have to add about 4-5 OVR points on his 3pt rating alone I think. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 29, 2015 19:11:06 GMT
Right now he's playing like an 83 or something, but trying to be conservative I'd go with:
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 3, 2016 21:23:16 GMT
I am staying with my rating as specified in other threads.  ? If it isn't in this thread, it isn't going to be counted. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 3, 2016 21:24:18 GMT
Thread Closed
Verdict: 78
Gavel
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Post by Shane Battier on Feb 4, 2016 6:45:58 GMT
Uh...? I drafted CJ and haven't dealt him once. Not saying I knew he would be this good, but I did THINK he could be this good. He's a 78 for now, room to go higher due to current SSS. Is there another CJ that has been? I might be mixing him up with another SG who came out of nowhere this season. CJ Wilcox? |
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Post by Brandon Roy on Feb 6, 2016 8:09:54 GMT
78
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 25, 2016 21:01:19 GMT
I am staying with my rating as specified in other threads. I will say that if his play continues at the break, I will create a new thread and rate him higher. I think it's time... |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 25, 2016 23:02:20 GMT
I will say that if his play continues at the break, I will create a new thread and rate him higher. I think it's time... make a new thread, this one is dead and old. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 26, 2016 1:23:15 GMT
make a new thread, this one is dead and old. I'm aware, did you read the post I quoted? |
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