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Post by Sam Bowie on Jul 4, 2015 19:01:16 GMT
I have a question. If 1 player with bird rights re-signs, his new contract automatically applies or the QO stays there till FA finishes to preserve cap space?
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Post by Alex English on Jul 4, 2015 19:09:40 GMT
His new contract.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 5, 2015 3:52:49 GMT
I was kind of wondering about this since, don't we still have a rule that you are allowed to go over the cap to re-sign Bird Rights players? Does that basically only come into effect if you are already over the cap? The Clippers are over the cap using the BRs of DeAndre, Melo, and Parker, and yet they are allowed to sign all three of them.
But me, I'm under the cap and will use most of my cap to re-sign Favors and won't have any left to do anything else.
Seems weird.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 5, 2015 4:19:13 GMT
I was kind of wondering about this since, don't we still have a rule that you are allowed to go over the cap to re-sign Bird Rights players? Does that basically only come into effect if you are already over the cap? The Clippers are over the cap using the BRs of DeAndre, Melo, and Parker, and yet they are allowed to sign all three of them. But me, I'm under the cap and will use most of my cap to re-sign Favors and won't have any left to do anything else. Seems weird. thats how real life works. Is it not possible to ask your BR players here to postpone signing for you to use your capspace?
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jul 5, 2015 4:25:42 GMT
I was kind of wondering about this since, don't we still have a rule that you are allowed to go over the cap to re-sign Bird Rights players? Does that basically only come into effect if you are already over the cap? The Clippers are over the cap using the BRs of DeAndre, Melo, and Parker, and yet they are allowed to sign all three of them. But me, I'm under the cap and will use most of my cap to re-sign Favors and won't have any left to do anything else. Seems weird. thats how real life works. Is it not possible to ask your BR players here to postpone signing for you to use your capspace? There is a rule that players who are signed using bird rights don't have their cap counted until the offseason was over. This year there was a rule implemented though where when a bird rights player signed there was a cap hold added onto a team's salary until the off-season phase was over. dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/5928/hard-cap-holds?page=1&scrollTo=38255So if Wall and Aldridge were free agents last year, I would have had the cap room for another max signing...
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jul 5, 2015 4:33:21 GMT
This year there was a rule implemented though where when a bird rights player signed there was a cap hold added onto a team's salary until the off-season phase was over. According to what I understood from what Alex said, the cap hold is replaced with the starting salary instantly after the new contract is signed.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 5, 2015 4:49:24 GMT
According to what I understood from what Alex said, the cap hold is replaced with the starting salary instantly after the new contract is signed. yep. I read that. But cant the PA postpone the signing of BR players? Like what the SAS is doing in real life?
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jul 5, 2015 5:11:09 GMT
yep. I read that. But cant the PA postpone the signing of BR players? Like what the SAS is doing in real life? They aren't postponing. The moratorium for the NBA doesn't lift until July 9th. Once that date comes, free agents can officially sign their contracts. Everything you've been hearing so far are just agreements. Once July 9th comes you'll hear all the deals being announced by the teams and it will be official.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 15:04:51 GMT
I was kind of wondering about this since, don't we still have a rule that you are allowed to go over the cap to re-sign Bird Rights players? Does that basically only come into effect if you are already over the cap? The Clippers are over the cap using the BRs of DeAndre, Melo, and Parker, and yet they are allowed to sign all three of them. But me, I'm under the cap and will use most of my cap to re-sign Favors and won't have any left to do anything else. Seems weird. I am going to exploit what I call the "Golden State Warrior strategy" next year.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 6, 2015 20:24:32 GMT
I was kind of wondering about this since, don't we still have a rule that you are allowed to go over the cap to re-sign Bird Rights players? Does that basically only come into effect if you are already over the cap? The Clippers are over the cap using the BRs of DeAndre, Melo, and Parker, and yet they are allowed to sign all three of them. But me, I'm under the cap and will use most of my cap to re-sign Favors and won't have any left to do anything else. Seems weird. This is a point worth discussion for sure. My understanding is that our system is the same as the NBA's, but why indeed should a team under-the-cap not be able to sign someone else? I suppose Bird Rights are all about repaying a team for loyalty to players, and allowing a franchise player to remain on a team in the long term. Perhaps the thinking shouldn't progress further than that.
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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 7, 2015 20:21:43 GMT
Personally think that we should just keep the cap holds on, then put the signed salary as OSFA ends. Prevents timing issues and really, if you think about it, pretty sure any player IRL would hold off signing in a case like this if it could help their team.
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Post by Jay Z on Jul 7, 2015 20:52:59 GMT
I was kind of wondering about this since, don't we still have a rule that you are allowed to go over the cap to re-sign Bird Rights players? Does that basically only come into effect if you are already over the cap? The Clippers are over the cap using the BRs of DeAndre, Melo, and Parker, and yet they are allowed to sign all three of them. But me, I'm under the cap and will use most of my cap to re-sign Favors and won't have any left to do anything else. Seems weird. This is a point worth discussion for sure. My understanding is that our system is the same as the NBA's, but why indeed should a team under-the-cap not be able to sign someone else? I suppose Bird Rights are all about repaying a team for loyalty to players, and allowing a franchise player to remain on a team in the long term. Perhaps the thinking shouldn't progress further than that. Bird rights are a tool to keep teams together, not to build teams up. The rule was created so that Boston would be able to exceed the soft cap to re-sign Larry Bird. The inability for a team under the cap to sign players and then re-sign its own players through bird rights is intended.
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Post by Jay Z on Jul 7, 2015 20:54:21 GMT
We should also start counting rookies against the cap. We just need to complete the draft before FA begins Agreed, draft should be sped up and rookies should count towards the cap immediately.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 7, 2015 20:57:27 GMT
We should also start counting rookies against the cap. We just need to complete the draft before FA begins Agreed, draft should be sped up and rookies should count towards the cap immediately. I can factor this into next season's schedule. It would be more helpful for us as Player Agents too, because it gives us a good look at what real-life contracts are looking like before our OSFA begins. We've sort of had to adapt on the fly this year. We were expecting to see lots of short-term deals and player options, but whilst we've seen a few POs and will keep using them because it guards against long-term mistakes, certainly there's been a lack of short-term deals.
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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 7, 2015 21:27:50 GMT
If we're going to do rookie cap holds, we could just put a cap hold according to draft position.
For example, Memphis would've gotten a cap hold of $4,753,000 placed on them for having the #1 pick. lets us do the draft as normal. We've got rookie salary projections till '19-'20 so that won't a problem.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 7, 2015 21:31:24 GMT
Adds a lot of extra work if the picks are traded. Would be better just to wait for FA until after the draft.
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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 7, 2015 21:36:02 GMT
Adds a lot of extra work if the picks are traded. How so? you add them to a team's roster as if they were any other player, trade them like any other asset. The names would've been added anyway, shouldn't take much to put a placeholder.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 7, 2015 21:41:18 GMT
I guess I just don't see why we can't wait until after the draft. Does it really matter if we wait a little bit?
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Post by Danny Longley on Jul 7, 2015 21:53:57 GMT
I dunno, my personal problem is that it's a lot of dead air. I mean it's cool if you've got a shit-ton of picks, but after playoffs where there's a ton of just waiting, I really just want to get back to doing stuff.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 7, 2015 23:57:54 GMT
The difference between the NBA and our league is that Bird Rights transfer with trades. There are also a few other rules that allow teams to be kept together.
Another difference between D5 and this league is that in the NBA most teams hover within reaching distance of the cap. So instead of having 5-15 teams with cap like in the NBA 20 something teams have over 30 million in space.
I have a few ideas I'm going to present about Free Agency / the offseason in general after everything quiets down a bit.
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jul 8, 2015 1:18:22 GMT
yes, I was wondering the same thing. Rookies must count...
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