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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 28, 2015 15:08:00 GMT
Cleveland Trade:
2015 #6
Orlando Trade:
80 Tobias Harris: $2,380,594 $3,394,726
68 Archie Goodwin: $1,000,600 $1,043,700 $1,056,730 $1,079,262
ORL 2018 1st
76 Mason Plumlee: $967,400 $1,009,000 $1,021,565 $1,043,027
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 28, 2015 15:24:32 GMT
I accept. I am not the kind of person who can put all his egg in one basket because I still do not have a core that can stand when I failed with #6  Unlike ORL who can do it I believe in Mason and Archie to blossom in the future. And also Tobias will help me immediately next season. |
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 28, 2015 15:30:16 GMT
I accept this. By 2018 I'm expecting my team will be out of the lottery, this deal helping that process. I move some good pieces, but nothing outrageous. I don't have pressure to re-sign Harris without BR's, even though I have cap there is no guarantee, especially since he's thinking heavily about leaving Orlando in real life. Plumlee is expendable with Val and Gobert, my main corner stones; he is in Portland now and should get good opportunity to shine, but I'm not sure he's more than a solid role player. Archie was 100% the hardest piece to move, but I still have Schroeder who I LOVE (became a top three fav of mine this season, IRL and in sim), plus Hairston who has potential too.
After this deal, I'll have this:
Dennis Schroeder
PJ Hairston
Shabazz Mohammed
Jonas Valanciunas
Rudy Gobert
with like, over $50 million dollars in cap space and the 6th overall pick. I know free agency won't solve all of my problems, but I feel confident in signing some talent this season, or if that doesn't happen, letting the team develop, getting a high pick next year and trying again at free agency.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2015 15:31:00 GMT
I accept.
There's no knowing which way this trade will go until we reassess it 5 years from now.
Harris and Plumlee are good prospects. #6 could be a prospect as good or better than the two of them put together.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 28, 2015 15:39:57 GMT
Changed my vote based on Danny and Alex's votes, they convinced me and took me off the hook because I was also trying to trade for this pick. But this isn't good, too risky for Orlando
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jun 28, 2015 15:52:59 GMT
75 - Trey Burke - $3,041,600 :: $3,172,600 :: $3,291,424 :: $3,392,388 78 - Alec Burks - $3,034,356 :: $4,175,274 (with brs) 68 Archie Goodwin: $1,000,600 $1,043,700 $1,056,730 $1,079,262 ORL 2018 1st 76 Mason Plumlee: $967,400 $1,009,000 $1,021,565 $1,043,027 for 2015 #6 If that 6th pick is not a future star, I am retiring from sim leagues. Hahaha.  We overpaid big time but I am hoping for the best. |
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 28, 2015 15:55:27 GMT
I'm not a huge fan of Burke or Burks games. I think that's better than the deal with Tobias in it, TBH.
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Post by Danny Longley on Jun 28, 2015 16:59:57 GMT
I'm probably going to be the only one, but I reject.
Sure, there are a lot of variables but Blake is giving up a shit ton of value here to gamble on a guy who's probably going to be as good as Harris is now in a couple of years.
Maybe it's the George for MKG trade back then getting in my head, maybe I'm overrating the side pieces in the deal, but it just feels like too much. I really do hope that I'm wrong though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 17:13:28 GMT
I accept. There's no knowing which way this trade will go until we reassess it 5 years from now. Harris and Plumlee are good prospects. #6 could be a prospect as good or better than the two of them put together. Are you on the trade committee? ARE YOU LOGGED INTO THE WRONG ACCOUNT IAN |
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 28, 2015 17:18:48 GMT
I accept. There's no knowing which way this trade will go until we reassess it 5 years from now. Harris and Plumlee are good prospects. #6 could be a prospect as good or better than the two of them put together. Are you on the trade committee? ARE YOU LOGGED INTO THE WRONG ACCOUNT IAN Ian is OG trade committee. |
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Post by Alex English on Jun 28, 2015 17:52:17 GMT
I reject. Orlando has done this before: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/1162Maybe straight up, Harris for #6, I could accept this. But with the 2018 1st involved, which I am not so sure Orlando will be good by then, especially if they miss on this pick, plus Plumlee and Goodwin. This is putting way too high a stake on the 6th pick becoming a star, even to just make this a fair trade, let alone having the Magic win the trade. |
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Post by Alex English on Jun 28, 2015 17:54:09 GMT
75 - Trey Burke - $3,041,600 :: $3,172,600 :: $3,291,424 :: $3,392,388 78 - Alec Burks - $3,034,356 :: $4,175,274 (with brs) 68 Archie Goodwin: $1,000,600 $1,043,700 $1,056,730 $1,079,262 ORL 2018 1st 76 Mason Plumlee: $967,400 $1,009,000 $1,021,565 $1,043,027 for 2015 #6 If that 6th pick is not a future star, I am retiring from sim leagues. Hahaha. We overpaid big time but I am hoping for the best. Wait, is Tobias Harris involved? Or Burke and Burks? |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 28, 2015 17:55:39 GMT
Well OK, both Danny and Alex have rejected, I guess I won't feel slimy by rejecting too. Was worried since I was working a trade for this pick too, but yea those two have convinced me, I'm changing mine to a reject.
Sorry boys.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 28, 2015 18:36:48 GMT
75 - Trey Burke - $3,041,600 :: $3,172,600 :: $3,291,424 :: $3,392,388 78 - Alec Burks - $3,034,356 :: $4,175,274 (with brs) 68 Archie Goodwin: $1,000,600 $1,043,700 $1,056,730 $1,079,262 ORL 2018 1st 76 Mason Plumlee: $967,400 $1,009,000 $1,021,565 $1,043,027 for 2015 #6 If that 6th pick is not a future star, I am retiring from sim leagues. Hahaha. We overpaid big time but I am hoping for the best. Wait, is Tobias Harris involved? Or Burke and Burks? I traded Burke and Burks for Harris awhile back, I don't know why that matters. This isn't the same thing as before, I had Paul George on a longer term deal with BRs. Here, I don't have Tobias on a long deal, I don't have his BR's and in one off season I'll have to try to re-sign him, which I would rather not do, and I REALLY like the guy I'd be drafting here with the number six pick. Tobias isn't as good as Paul George, I don't like the dependency of re-signing Harris, I prefer drafting a player on a longer term deal, and I don't get why this deal isn't fair. I've been here with my team and have a plan, plus the 2018 draft is after three seasons. Plus that deal was three years ago, I don't know why it's getting held against me three years in the future. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2015 18:44:09 GMT
Blake BowmanSam BowieHanamichi SakuragiSam Bowie posted a different trade above, what's going on? I assume we're still only dealing with the original trade that was posted? edit: either way you might want to re-work this deal because it looks rejected anyway.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 28, 2015 18:47:01 GMT
You're the fourth person to ask... THEY ARE'NT EVEN ON MY TEAM ANYMORE. I don't know why it would matter, the value of those two were found equal to that of Tobias in that trade. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2015 18:49:07 GMT
You're the fourth person to ask... THEY ARE'NT EVEN ON MY TEAM ANYMORE. I don't know why it would matter, the value of those two were found equal to that of Tobias in that trade. Ok get re-negotiating then because there's 6 hours left on the clock for the 6th pick. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 28, 2015 18:49:49 GMT
Bowie was showing the value of the trade put in a different way, that's all. It was confusing though
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 28, 2015 18:50:49 GMT
You're the fourth person to ask... THEY ARE'NT EVEN ON MY TEAM ANYMORE. I don't know why it would matter, the value of those two were found equal to that of Tobias in that trade. Ok get re-negotiating then because there's 6 hours left on the clock for the 6th pick. Yessir |
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jun 28, 2015 18:51:37 GMT
basically bowie was showing how much blake is losing from 6th pick because burcs/burks turned into harris so
burcs burks plumlee goodwin harris and orl 2018 first for basically the 6th pick in the draft or if you don't count harris then just the 2 burcs/burks.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 28, 2015 18:53:32 GMT
What if it was Shabazz instead of Plumlee, how would that influence the TC's voting if any?
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Post by Alex English on Jun 28, 2015 18:56:09 GMT
I traded Burke and Burks for Harris awhile back, I don't know why that matters. This isn't the same thing as before, I had Paul George on a longer term deal with BRs. Here, I don't have Tobias on a long deal, I don't have his BR's and in one off season I'll have to try to re-sign him, which I would rather not do, and I REALLY like the guy I'd be drafting here with the number six pick. Tobias isn't as good as Paul George, I don't like the dependency of re-signing Harris, I prefer drafting a player on a longer term deal, and I don't get why this deal isn't fair. I've been here with my team and have a plan, plus the 2018 draft is after three seasons. Plus that deal was three years ago, I don't know why it's getting held against me three years in the future. Oh, I don't know why but I still thought Burke and Burks were on your team, along with Harris. It's not really about holding that trade against you. It just a perfect example of this type of trade backfiring for the person acquiring the pick. It's just too much for me to accept. Tobias Harris will likely never be an all-star but he is a top 100 player in the NBA and has the potential to be a top 50 player. He can be the second or third best player for a playoff team. Then add Mason Plumlee who has a low ceiling offensively but can still be a good player and play a role similar to Mozgov on the Cavs. Then there's Archie Goodwin, who's been mostly buried on the Suns but gets solid playing time occasionally. In games where he played at least 20 minutes he averages 10 points, 3 rebounds and 2 assists. He's still just 20 years old. Then adding on your own future pick and it looks even worse. |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jun 28, 2015 19:03:11 GMT
Bowie was showing the value of the trade put in a different way, that's all. It was confusing though Yes. I apologize for that. I just felt like Burke and Burks were traded for Harris based on talent and with the idea that Magic would have enough cap space in 2 seasons from now to re-sign Harris even without bird rights but now we are trading Harris low because of his short contract. At the end, I just want the best for Blake. Trying to re-sign players is just something normal that every GM has to go through once in a while and it is what you try to do once you find out a player that is worth re-signing. Harris is worth re-signing. The 6th pick, I don't know. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 28, 2015 21:33:25 GMT
I really see it differently.
What I am getting here will not reward me any superstar in the future. While Blake is putting his money to draft a superstar. This should be a fair one.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 28, 2015 21:37:41 GMT
I really see it differently. What I am getting here will not reward me any superstar in the future. While Blake is putting his money to draft a superstar. This should be a fair one. Exactly |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 28, 2015 22:46:36 GMT
I have no stake in this but really surprised it was rejected. I think it actually favors Orlando but is mostly very even
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jun 28, 2015 23:11:18 GMT
I have no stake in this but really surprised it was rejected. I think it actually favors Orlando but is mostly very even says the guy with 50+ picks who is on the clock and currently looking to trade his pick for some nice package.  2012-Meyers Leonard 2013-Cody Zeller 2014-Julius Randle Those are the players selected at 6th in the last D5 drafts. None of them are better than Harris. Rudy Gobert who probably is Magic most valuable asset was selected at 20th. Just saying, there are no guarantees in the draft. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 29, 2015 0:42:41 GMT
Why wouldn't you have rights on Tobias Harris?
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 29, 2015 1:46:24 GMT
Why wouldn't you have rights on Tobias Harris? I traded for him mid way through this season, he was drafted after the league started, so we didn't have him like IRL Magic. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 29, 2015 1:58:28 GMT
Why wouldn't you have rights on Tobias Harris? I traded for him mid way through this season, he was drafted after the league started, so we didn't have him like IRL Magic. Just wondering. |
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