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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 22:59:43 GMT
]  Boston Celticsreceive:
81 - Jabari Parker - $4,108,800 - $4,293,700 - $4,478,600 - $5,651,993 - $7,375,851
send:
#4
#11
SAC 2016 2nd
DAL 2017 2nd  New York Knicksreceive:
76 - Noah Vonleh - $2,736,100 - $2,859,200 - $2,982,400 - $3,781,683 - $5,044,765
#11
send:
#5  Utah Jazzreceive:
#4
#5
SAC 2016 2nd
DAL 2017 2nd
send:
81 - Jabari Parker - $4,108,800 - $4,293,700 - $4,478,600 - $5,651,993 - $7,375,851
76 - Noah Vonleh - $2,736,100 - $2,859,200 - $2,982,400 - $3,781,683 - $5,044,765 I accept |
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Post by Shane Battier on Jun 27, 2015 23:01:29 GMT
woaahh
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Post by Spike Lee on Jun 27, 2015 23:12:20 GMT
accept
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 27, 2015 23:14:16 GMT
I also accept.
I was torn between Mudiay and Winslow at #4 and had my decision made for me when @riogho made it known he was shopping Jabari Parker.
However Jabari Parker's ACL is also torn and I'm massively fearful of having the two injury-prone Top 3 picks from 2014 in Embiid and Parker. Jabari has yet to get back on the court and it's a gigantic risk for me to take. Jabari is a high-character guy though and he even looked better than Wiggins to start the 2014 season before he went down with injury.
The prospect of not taking Mudiay or Winslow is a blow. Clearly Mudiay can be a franchise player for the Nuggets, and Winslow might be the >next> big thing in Miami, but I like the idea of Jabari more than those two prospects who will definitely not fall as far as they did in real life here at D5's Draft. I will also of course miss the #11 pick, who knows who will be taken on top of all that.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 27, 2015 23:14:41 GMT
UTAH, you really love this draft! #4 and #5. Please make it Kristap and Hezonja  hahaha |
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Post by Shane Battier on Jun 27, 2015 23:20:28 GMT
UTAH, you really love this draft! #4 and #5. Please make it Kristap and Hezonja hahaha naaah. He'll take Winslow and Mudiay |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 27, 2015 23:23:16 GMT
UTAH, you really love this draft! #4 and #5. Please make it Kristap and Hezonja hahaha naaah. He'll take Winslow and Mudiay Dont state the obvious Shane! Haha. But I think he will regret this trade. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 27, 2015 23:23:51 GMT
I think New York is gettin dicked down in this. But its the draft and everyone has a different opinion. I just don't like Vonleh, and I don't like who will be there come pick 11 in here.
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Post by Shane Battier on Jun 27, 2015 23:24:22 GMT
However Jabari Parker's ACL is also torn lol |
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Post by Spike Lee on Jun 27, 2015 23:29:51 GMT
sorry im on my way back from beach so i cant make a long post meow
but i have confidence in Noah to improve and his defense can provide immediate help for our team.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 27, 2015 23:39:43 GMT
sorry im on my way back from beach so i cant make a long post meow but i have confidence in Noah to improve and his defense can provide immediate help for our team. You have Tristan Thompson. Vonleh is trash brah. I don't see how he fits into your plans. I mean, I get it, he's young and what not. But I just don't like it for you. But, Spike, I am just splitting hairs here. It is a good fair trade, I just don't like it because I am weird about who I like. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 23:43:36 GMT
sorry im on my way back from beach so i cant make a long post meow but i have confidence in Noah to improve and his defense can provide immediate help for our team. You have Tristan Thompson. Vonleh is trash brah. I don't see how he fits into your plans. I mean, I get it, he's young and what not. But I just don't like it for you. But, Spike, I am just splitting hairs here. It is a good fair trade, I just don't like it because I am weird about who I like. Vonleh isn't trash bro Aldridge is leaving Portland and he is gonna get mad minutes there the dude plays like a young ibaka |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 27, 2015 23:47:08 GMT
You have Tristan Thompson. Vonleh is trash brah. I don't see how he fits into your plans. I mean, I get it, he's young and what not. But I just don't like it for you. But, Spike, I am just splitting hairs here. It is a good fair trade, I just don't like it because I am weird about who I like. Vonleh isn't trash bro Aldridge is leaving Portland and he is gonna get mad minutes there the dude plays like a young ibaka Ehh, I think the best young Ibaka comparison is Capella. I am just not a Vonleh fan. Havent been. Matter of opinion. |
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Post by Shane Battier on Jun 27, 2015 23:49:01 GMT
I agree with Charles here. But I understand why Spike is doing this trade. It'll be interesting to see what Vonleh will do in Portland, now that Aldridge won't return.
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jun 28, 2015 1:11:30 GMT
Interesting trade. Ian had to do this considering he is a great dealer but a questionable drafter.  |
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Post by Alex English on Jun 28, 2015 1:36:45 GMT
Wow. I'm not that big a fan of this, for whatever reason. But I accept.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 28, 2015 1:43:56 GMT
There's a theory about prospects that you need to know to be successful in rebuilding, everyone wants the new toy, everyone wants a pick over a player. As soon as you draft your guy, his value declines 25%, then, next season, come draft time, you'll be realizing it. That it is hard to trade a 2nd year guy for draft picks, because everyone wants the new toy, no one wants the old toy. And that, my friend, is where you go out and find the old toys at the garage sale. That is what Ian did with Jabari.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 1:48:44 GMT
There's a theory about prospects that you need to know to be successful in rebuilding, everyone wants the new toy, everyone wants a pick over a player. As soon as you draft your guy, his value declines 25%, then, next season, come draft time, you'll be realizing it. That it is hard to trade a 2nd year guy for draft picks, because everyone wants the new toy, no one wants the old toy. And that, my friend, is where you go out and find the old toys at the garage sale. That is what Ian did with Jabari. He can have that one knee fat fuck |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jun 28, 2015 1:51:00 GMT
There's a theory about prospects that you need to know to be successful in rebuilding, everyone wants the new toy, everyone wants a pick over a player. As soon as you draft your guy, his value declines 25%, then, next season, come draft time, you'll be realizing it. That it is hard to trade a 2nd year guy for draft picks, because everyone wants the new toy, no one wants the old toy. And that, my friend, is where you go out and find the old toys at the garage sale. That is what Ian did with Jabari. He can have that one knee fat fuck Wait, you traded Jabari or Hassan?  |
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Post by Alex English on Jun 28, 2015 2:00:41 GMT
There's a theory about prospects that you need to know to be successful in rebuilding, everyone wants the new toy, everyone wants a pick over a player. As soon as you draft your guy, his value declines 25%, then, next season, come draft time, you'll be realizing it. That it is hard to trade a 2nd year guy for draft picks, because everyone wants the new toy, no one wants the old toy. And that, my friend, is where you go out and find the old toys at the garage sale. That is what Ian did with Jabari. People do over value draft picks way too much. The 4th pick in the draft? That's sexy, it lets your imagination run wild. But taking an honest look here, will you get someone at 4 that's better than Parker? No you probably won't. Will you get someone at 5 better than Vonleh? Possibly, there's a solid chance at least. Vonleh was awful this year, but he was injured and everyone expected him to be the most raw of the top prospects from last year. If everything plays out in favour for him then he'll get a lot of playing time in Portland. So who knows. For everyone one involved though, this trade just has so much risk. There are so many more questions than answers when looking at this and the things you hope will happen far outnumber the things you know will happen. In a few years when things play out a bit, this seems like one of those trades where one or two GMs will look back and be thrilled with this trade and how well it turned out, but the other one or two will be pissed because they got fucked since the risks they took all fell through. |
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Post by Danny Longley on Jun 28, 2015 2:06:47 GMT
I'll accept.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 2:18:01 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 28, 2015 2:54:06 GMT
No time to get into it but, in the end....I'll accept.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 28, 2015 3:03:47 GMT
There's a theory about prospects that you need to know to be successful in rebuilding, everyone wants the new toy, everyone wants a pick over a player. As soon as you draft your guy, his value declines 25%, then, next season, come draft time, you'll be realizing it. That it is hard to trade a 2nd year guy for draft picks, because everyone wants the new toy, no one wants the old toy. And that, my friend, is where you go out and find the old toys at the garage sale. That is what Ian did with Jabari. People do over value draft picks way too much. The 4th pick in the draft? That's sexy, it lets your imagination run wild. But taking an honest look here, will you get someone at 4 that's better than Parker? No you probably won't. Will you get someone at 5 better than Vonleh? Possibly, there's a solid chance at least. Vonleh was awful this year, but he was injured and everyone expected him to be the most raw of the top prospects from last year. If everything plays out in favour for him then he'll get a lot of playing time in Portland. So who knows. For everyone one involved though, this trade just has so much risk. There are so many more questions than answers when looking at this and the things you hope will happen far outnumber the things you know will happen. In a few years when things play out a bit, this seems like one of those trades where one or two GMs will look back and be thrilled with this trade and how well it turned out, but the other one or two will be pissed because they got fucked since the risks they took all fell through. I agree. But with rebuilding, and even with trying to make any move, it is always a risk. But the question you need to ask yourself in the end of things, is it worth it? I absolutely hate Jabari, but I think he is a lot better than Winslow. I absolutely hate Vonleh, and I think the 5th pick will be better than Vonleh. There's always a risk. Is it worth it? There isn't a math equation or a statistical metric to use, it is all about how you feel. Trusting your gut, or your heart, or head. I don't know why people love draft picks. I think they are over valued. But at times you can find the right price. I think Ian does a good job here, looking at it right now. But, 2 years from now, he could be kicking himself. That is how rebuilding is. That is how trading a prospect is. Fuck, that is how life is. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 28, 2015 5:16:37 GMT
There's a theory about prospects that you need to know to be successful in rebuilding, everyone wants the new toy, everyone wants a pick over a player. As soon as you draft your guy, his value declines 25%, then, next season, come draft time, you'll be realizing it. That it is hard to trade a 2nd year guy for draft picks, because everyone wants the new toy, no one wants the old toy. And that, my friend, is where you go out and find the old toys at the garage sale. That is what Ian did with Jabari. People do over value draft picks way too much. The 4th pick in the draft? That's sexy, it lets your imagination run wild. But taking an honest look here, will you get someone at 4 that's better than Parker? No you probably won't. Will you get someone at 5 better than Vonleh? Possibly, there's a solid chance at least. Vonleh was awful this year, but he was injured and everyone expected him to be the most raw of the top prospects from last year. If everything plays out in favour for him then he'll get a lot of playing time in Portland. So who knows. For everyone one involved though, this trade just has so much risk. There are so many more questions than answers when looking at this and the things you hope will happen far outnumber the things you know will happen. In a few years when things play out a bit, this seems like one of those trades where one or two GMs will look back and be thrilled with this trade and how well it turned out, but the other one or two will be pissed because they got fucked since the risks they took all fell through. I disagree in one point. They may end up all winners in this trade Vonleh will become the partner of Lillard. Jabari will become the next Melo. Winslow become the next Kawhi. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 28, 2015 5:27:53 GMT
People do over value draft picks way too much. The 4th pick in the draft? That's sexy, it lets your imagination run wild. But taking an honest look here, will you get someone at 4 that's better than Parker? No you probably won't. Will you get someone at 5 better than Vonleh? Possibly, there's a solid chance at least. Vonleh was awful this year, but he was injured and everyone expected him to be the most raw of the top prospects from last year. If everything plays out in favour for him then he'll get a lot of playing time in Portland. So who knows. For everyone one involved though, this trade just has so much risk. There are so many more questions than answers when looking at this and the things you hope will happen far outnumber the things you know will happen. In a few years when things play out a bit, this seems like one of those trades where one or two GMs will look back and be thrilled with this trade and how well it turned out, but the other one or two will be pissed because they got fucked since the risks they took all fell through. I disagree in one point. They may end up all winners in this trade Vonleh will become the partner of Lillard. Jabari will become the next Melo. Winslow become the next Kawhi.I don't know what games your watching or if you're watching the right person in those games, but nothing about Winslows game says Kawhi to me lol |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 28, 2015 5:36:32 GMT
I disagree in one point. They may end up all winners in this trade Vonleh will become the partner of Lillard. Jabari will become the next Melo. Winslow become the next Kawhi.I don't know what games your watching or if you're watching the right person in those games, but nothing about Winslows game says Kawhi to me lol Haha. Come on. Im just stating what the consensus opinions are. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 28, 2015 5:56:44 GMT
I don't know what games your watching or if you're watching the right person in those games, but nothing about Winslows game says Kawhi to me lol Haha. Come on. Im just stating what the consensus opinions are. Dont be afraid to say fuck the consensus and do what you like man. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2015 8:24:42 GMT
Ian had to do this considering he is a great dealer but a questionable drafter. That might be the biggest kick in the balls I've ever received  Honestly if there's one thing I want to be it's a Good Drafter. I think I've been unlucky though, and maybe once the Exum Project plays out and Embiid finally gets healthy I wont look so bad. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2015 8:28:56 GMT
That's 3 accepts so trade passed. Thanks guys.
I've tallied 97 PMs in the process of negotiating this trade which makes it a personal record for me.
It looks good now but give it a few years and we'll come back and take another look. Good day to you Ian Noble of the future, I hope you're living out your dream as an independent Python/Django coder by now.
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Chicago Bulls
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Cleveland Cavaliers
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Denver Nuggets
Dallas Mavericks
Minnesota Timberwolves
Honestly if there's one thing I want to be it's a Good Drafter. I think I've been unlucky though, and maybe once the Exum Project plays out and Embiid finally gets healthy I wont look so bad.