Lucas Lutkus
Former Bobcats GM
Sophomore
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Jul 16, 2013 9:57:53 GMT
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Jun 2, 2012 2:08:00 GMT
This deal deppends on the 3-way trade (Bobcats-Pacers-Clippers) being accepted (it was already with 2 accepts and i don't see why to reject it):
79 Leandro Barbosa $7,600,000 77 Andre Miller $7,807,728 Total: $15,407,728
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80 Marcus Camby $12,866,332 70 Courtney Fortson $156,595 HOU 2014 1st Total: $13,022,927
I'm posting it now because after losing Greg Oden and Aaron Brooks, we're going huge for Jeff Green, we truly believe that Mr. Green can start in the Bobcats as a SF and we trust him to do it. With Mr. Green situation being defined any moment, this is the final proof that we really want him starting in our team.
We accept this deal, we lose Barbosa, a player that i like a lot, and Andre Miller, that's being a excellent 6th man, but in exchange we got a excellent center that can help us a lot and a 2014 1st rounder.
EDIT: Trade updated
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Otis Smith
Former Rockets GM
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Dec 24, 2013 6:32:46 GMT
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Post by Otis Smith on Jun 2, 2012 2:55:06 GMT
The Houston (soviet) Rockets accept this trade.
It was hard giving up such a loyal comrade as Camby but getting more help on the wing and deepening our bench was our utmost priority.
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Apr 25, 2024 4:36:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 5:29:20 GMT
The Houston (soviet) Rockets accept this trade. It was hard giving up such a loyal comrade as Camby but getting more help on the wing and deepening our bench was our utmost priority. Comrade Camby understands, as he would so anything to help the revolution! When the Bobcats suck, now we know why
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Otis Smith
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Post by Otis Smith on Jun 3, 2012 19:10:47 GMT
Because I already released Diamon Simpson. dynasty5ive.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=release&action=display&thread=249The bobcats and the rockets have come to an agreement to include Courtney Fortson instead. The Salaries still match up and the new trade will be 79 Leandro Barbosa $7,600,000 77 Andre Miller $7,807,728 Total: $15,407,728 for 80 Marcus Camby $12,866,332 70 Courtney Fortson $156,595 HOU 2014 1st Total: $13,022,927
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 3, 2012 19:31:17 GMT
Again I don't understand the 1sts flying around the league.
Camby = to Miller for me...something around equal anyway.
Barbosa worth a 1st? Huh?
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Otis Smith
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Post by Otis Smith on Jun 3, 2012 21:03:20 GMT
Again I don't understand the 1sts flying around the league. Camby = to Miller for me...something around equal anyway. Barbosa worth a 1st? Huh? I agreed to this trade for one reason is that I get much needed depth at the guard position. It was hard to give up that future draft pick but with my future plan in place, I won't (hopefully) be a lottery team for awhile. So getting two starter-level players for my third big man was huge for me.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jun 3, 2012 22:03:37 GMT
I really don't see what is the big deal with this trade? The trade committee is getting annoying lately. With all the rejectable trades that have been accepted already it bothers that now we start getting rejections for trades that are not rejectable... Not to mention that we spend hours discussing silly technical things... That is just how I feel lately.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2012 22:08:25 GMT
I really don't see what is the big deal with this trade? The trade committee is getting annoying lately. Wow, you are one to talk
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jun 3, 2012 22:13:47 GMT
I really don't see what is the big deal with this trade? The trade committee is getting annoying lately. Wow, you are one to talk I admit I can be annoying at times but that doesn't change the fact that trade committee is getting annoying at some points. About the trade, Rockets want to win now and Barbosa and Miller could be starters in his team based on rating and the lack of guards. Camby is good to win now but he has no use for him because he has the Gasol brothers over him. Bobcats suck so we are trying to stop sucking the best way we can and we decided having an objective like getting 2014 1sts would be a good start. I don't see what is wrong with that. If we are going to be more restrictive about trading i seriously think this is not the way to get it done. There is no point in repeating the same discussion over and over again. If any, we should be discussing about getting better rules. For example, if we are going to be restrictive on trading picks maybe we should add protections to the picks (like in real life)...
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Otis Smith
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Post by Otis Smith on Jun 3, 2012 22:37:24 GMT
If they do reject this trade I would be fine with that I could even negotiate again with the Bobcat organization to make it more fair.
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Lucas Lutkus
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Jun 3, 2012 22:47:31 GMT
I honestly don't feel like this is a rejectable trade...
Both teams get what they want, Rockets trading his 2014 1st isn't ruining his franchise, me giving up two guards isn't ruining my franchise, we've a lot of coaches believing in their teams for next seasons, they believe that they can contend and they don't care about a late 1st rounder pick...
Is really a 1st rounder better than Leandrinho? You don't know which pick this is going to be, it can be a bust even if it's a top 10, plus it's a far draft.
We're doing this because we don't believe we're contending anytime soon so we don't care much about trading for picks, but Rockets has been doing an awesome job so far by getting the Gasol brothers, Andre Miller and Leandrinho Barbosa are going to fit as a glove on his team, he need a good depth at guards after trading a lot to get this team he has now and Miller and Barbosa are going to be an instant improvement.
So it's like this:
A team that has the Gasol Brothers playing very well and a lot of young players wants to trade Marcus Camby (who's just a bench player now) and a 2014 1st rounder (a distant pick that can end up being a late 1st-rounder) for instant help in his guard depth.
Rockets solves his main problem by getting it and i get more chances to get a future superstar.
I agree that the picks are being traded like nothing recently, but IMO that's not the case.
I disagree on what Walt said about Camby = Miller, you need to see the situation on both teams:
Camby is a bench player that's receiving 12M this year to play little more than 12 minutes, he can deliver but he has no space in the excellent Rockets big man depth.
Miller is my 6th man, he's a experienced player who brings instant help in both offense and defense for any NBA team.
Camby may be a better player than Miller overall, but Miller is going to help Rockets much more than Camby is helping them right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2012 22:55:48 GMT
Wow, you are one to talk I admit I can be annoying at times but that doesn't change the fact that trade committee is getting annoying at some points. About the trade, Rockets want to win now and Barbosa and Miller could be starters in his team based on rating and the lack of guards. Camby is good to win now but he has no use for him because he has the Gasol brothers over him. Bobcats suck so we are trying to stop sucking the best way we can and we decided having an objective like getting 2014 1sts would be a good start. I don't see what is wrong with that. If we are going to be more restrictive about trading i seriously think this is not the way to get it done. There is no point in repeating the same discussion over and over again. If any, we should be discussing about getting better rules. For example, if we are going to be restrictive on trading picks maybe we should add protections to the picks (like in real life)... I was just kidding with you, I am totally staying out of this!
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 4, 2012 0:01:26 GMT
Well...I never said I was rejecting, was just looking for some more explanation from both sides on this...well more from Houston. I gotta take the time to read through now, but just saying, I didn't reject.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 4, 2012 0:06:10 GMT
If the Bobcats want to rebuild, I think they should go after 2012 and 2013 picks more than 2014...that's just giving away any talent you have now and saying we are guaranteed to suck for 3 years, THEN we will hopefully draft well and start to get a little better, and be competitive by 2016.
Anyway, based on reading through it again...I can't quite justify rejecting it...the 1st is 3 years away and all.
My one problem is, if 20 teams all think they'll be top 10 contenders, obviously at least 10 of them are gonna be wrong. Mainly, if everyone doesn't mind moving 2014 1sts...a few are going to regret it later.
Props to the Bobcats for trying to scoop up a ton of picks in one draft, I'm sure he'll end up getting some nice picks out of that.
I still think it's a way to guarantee being bad for a long time by planning to do well in a draft 3 years away...but I can't quite reject this one either.
Accept.
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Lucas Lutkus
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Jun 4, 2012 0:26:27 GMT
If the Bobcats want to rebuild, I think they should go after 2012 and 2013 picks more than 2014...that's just giving away any talent you have now and saying we are guaranteed to suck for 3 years, THEN we will hopefully draft well and start to get a little better, and be competitive by 2016. Anyway, based on reading through it again...I can't quite justify rejecting it...the 1st is 3 years away and all. My one problem is, if 20 teams all think they'll be top 10 contenders, obviously at least 10 of them are gonna be wrong. Mainly, if everyone doesn't mind moving 2014 1sts...a few are going to regret it later. Props to the Bobcats for trying to scoop up a ton of picks in one draft, I'm sure he'll end up getting some nice picks out of that. I still think it's a way to guarantee being bad for a long time by planning to do well in a draft 3 years away...but I can't quite reject this one either. Accept. I agree that 2014 picks are distant, but they're way cheaper than the others... We've a long rebuilding plan (something that no other team has, almost everyone is on a win-now-or-next-season mode) and we don't bother by don't contending on the next 2 years. Still, we always include expiring in our trades and we've a HUGE cap space for next 2 seasons, 13/14 Free Agency is deeper than 2010/11 one and we think that after next season, the D5 Bobcats is going to become a excellent team.
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Isiah Thomas
Former Heat GM
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Aug 12, 2012 23:58:26 GMT
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Post by Isiah Thomas on Jun 4, 2012 5:55:38 GMT
I accept
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 4, 2012 23:40:20 GMT
Accept
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Lucas Lutkus
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Jun 5, 2012 2:16:14 GMT
3 accepts
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Otis Smith
Former Rockets GM
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Post by Otis Smith on Jun 5, 2012 2:31:09 GMT
Nice then it is accepted.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 9, 2012 11:55:37 GMT
Trade passed. I accept also, sorry I've taken a while with this one.
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