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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 15:23:49 GMT
Alright guys. Conley is rated an 86.
He is averaging 15.8-5.4apg-3rpg
Compared to Tyreke Evans [played PG all year] (82) 16.8 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 6.1 APG
George Hill (77) 16.1-5.1-4.2
Suggested rating: 82
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 21, 2015 17:45:10 GMT
You recall the entire Memphis game the other day where he has been playing injured damn near all year? That and his rating is defense based mostly I think.
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Post by Larry Bird on Apr 21, 2015 18:05:08 GMT
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Post by James Kay on Apr 21, 2015 18:22:58 GMT
His rating was just changed fuck off Adam
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 18:54:05 GMT
His rating was just changed fuck off Adam Oh wow it was... How the hell did he get voted so high. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 22, 2015 0:15:06 GMT
86 one of the best facilitators, probably best PG defender and the leader of one the NBAs top teams.
Also we just had a stockwatch on him this thread is idiotic. 86 is fine
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 0:16:34 GMT
He isn't even a top 8 PG in the West  |
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Post by James Kay on Apr 22, 2015 0:34:49 GMT
He isn't even a top 8 PG in the West seriously stfu your posts are billy king level annoying The PGs in the west are Rondo Lawson Curry (93) Paul (94) Beverly Clarkson Conley (86) Rubio Holiday Westbrook (90) Bledsoe Lillard (87) Collison Parker (86) Burke Out of those players the only ones definitively better than Conley are Westbrook, Curry, and CP3. Parker and Lillard are around his level but Lillard has issues defensively and Parker is getting older. Conley has just been playing through an injury this season, as has Lillard. i dont even know why im addressing this troll |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 0:37:17 GMT
Paul
Curry
Lillard
Westbrook
Bledsoe
Holliday
Rondo
Lawson
Collison
are ALL better than Conley.
Well, maybe not next season. Rondo would probably fall off. But if healthy, all of those players are better than Conley. Conley is the worst PG in the (west) playoffs if there weren't injuries to Jrue and Beverly (he'd be tied with Beverly in goodness).
I don't know why people think Conley is that great. He's George hill level good. Around a 82.
He certainly isn't better than Tyreke Evans, who is getting rerated to an 82.
This is a dude that HAS NEVER MADE AN ALL STAR TEAM. He has NEVER been a top 5 player in his conference. And you know what, if he makes more than 2 by the end of his career, I'd be VERY surprised.
And you think that player should be rated an 86?
Holy crap.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 0:42:04 GMT
Yeah, you're right. You can even throw Tony Parker in there as someone that is better than Mike Conley this year too.
*shakes head* Do we really have 15 PG's in this game that should be rated 86+?
Everyone's PG can't be a 85+, you have to draw the line somewhere. And I draw it right between Collison and Conley.
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Post by James Kay on Apr 22, 2015 1:14:53 GMT
Paul Curry Lillard Westbrook Bledsoe Holliday Rondo Lawson Collison are ALL better than Conley. Well, maybe not next season. Rondo would probably fall off. But if healthy, all of those players are better than Conley. Conley is the worst PG in the (west) playoffs if there weren't injuries to Jrue and Beverly (he'd be tied with Beverly in goodness). I don't know why people think Conley is that great. He's George hill level good. Around a 82. He certainly isn't better than Tyreke Evans, who is getting rerated to an 82. This is a dude that HAS NEVER MADE AN ALL STAR TEAM. He has NEVER been a top 5 player in his conference. And you know what, if he makes more than 2 by the end of his career, I'd be VERY surprised. And you think that player should be rated an 86? Holy crap. After this post, I'm just done arguing with you. Firstly, I'd just like to draw everyone's attention to the fact that Adam Collins believes Conley and Patrick Beverly are equally good at the sport of basketball. Beverly - the 3rd year point guard who has averaged an astonishing 9 points in his career at an amazing 40FG%. Conley was playing phenomenal basketball this season before he was injured, is a top defender at the PG position, and led the Grizzlies to the 4 seed in the West - which just as easily could have been the 2 seed. You show your complete lack of basketball knowledge by your insistence to limit your arguments to sensationalist un-supported declearation and cherry picked box-score stats. And now you go even further and attempt to use a players number of All-Star game appearances as criteria that should be used for ratings. It's honestly laughable. Look at these links and you can see that Conley is one of the most clutch scorers in the NBA. The only one who scored more clutch points at a higher % last year was Cousins. www.82games.com/1314/CSORT11.HTMAnd before that, in the 12-13 season, his FG% was down but he was still the one the Grizzlies went to when the game was on the line. www.82games.com/1213/CSORT11.HTMConley is a floor fucking general. The PG position is more than just scoring and dishing off lobs or fancy passes to cutters. It's also about setting the tempo, getting your teammates in rhythm, and playing solid team defense. Conley is above-average at the basic duties of a PG and excels at the intangibles which are evidenced by the eye -test, the Grizzlies' overall success, and the Grizzlies tempo-setting prowess. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 1:17:56 GMT
Yeah, we're just going to have to disagree on this one. My bad on making a new thread so early though, I figured this rating was really old.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 22, 2015 1:19:32 GMT
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 22, 2015 1:41:03 GMT
Paul Curry Lillard Westbrook Bledsoe Holliday Rondo Lawson Collison are ALL better than Conley. . You can't actually believe this Adam |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 2:08:25 GMT
Paul Curry Lillard Westbrook Bledsoe Holliday Rondo Lawson Collison are ALL better than Conley. . You can't actually believe this Adam I believe that a guy who can't score 16 points a game or average 5-5, while putting up a PER of 18.6 isn't worth an 86? I used to believe he was worth an 86. In fact, my vote for him on January 20th (my 2nd day) was an 86, because Mike Conley seems like an 86. I agree. But when you look at the d5 ratings, and the votes you guys are putting on people, he isn't as good as Jeff teague, nor is he 4 points better than Tyreke Evans. Ratings need spread out really bad. There is no reason to have a 100 point scale and only use 70-100. It makes crap like this, where we are literally bickering about a 5% rating difference, when you could spread it out. And yes, in an ideal world, where 50 was an average player and 100 was Lebron on a night he was shooting 100% from the field I'd give: Chris Paul: 85 Curry: 84 Westbrook: 80 Lillard: 75 Bledsoe: 73 Jeff Teague: 72 Holliday: 70 Lawson: 68 Rondo: 65 Mike Conley: 62 Collison: 60 Tyreke Evans: 60 Average PG (rubio): 50 That seems good to me to better. I don't know why you guys are so high on Conley. I see him play a lot, he never does that good. He makes some clutch 3's, but his defense is over rated, and his %'s are that of a volume shooter who doesn't shoot volume. Rondo shoots like 9% worse than him and doubles his assist and triples his rebound total. Tyreke Evans scores 5 more points, 1 more assist, and 3 more rebounds while shooting 4% worse and is rated an 82. I guess I just don't like Conley that much. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 22, 2015 2:12:50 GMT
The trend I am seeing is that you compare every guy to a player on your team and say your guy is underrated. Conley is great and is definitely a top 5 pg in the west.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 2:17:40 GMT
I don't care what my guys are rated, of course, we have the problem of confirmation bias, because I traded for these guys so I naturally think they are under rated, thats why I traded for them. But thats why I use other players in the comparisons too. Is mike conley really 9 points better than George hill?
*shakes my head* I guess if you honestly think Mike Conley is a top 5 PG in the west, then I guess so. I just do not agree with that statement at all.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 22, 2015 3:28:03 GMT
I don't really have the official power to do this...only Ian can ACTUALLY do it, but...
THIS THREAD IS CLOSED
Thread is up too soon after a recently processed change.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 22, 2015 12:34:29 GMT
this is dumb, don't let crybaby kay bully you out of posting legit rating changes. anyone who thinks mike conley deserves an 86 is on drugs
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Post by James Kay on Apr 22, 2015 14:29:32 GMT
this is dumb, don't let crybaby kay bully you out of posting legit rating changes. anyone who thinks mike conley deserves an 86 is on drugs just because i think youre personally a piece of shit doesnt make me a crybaby |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 22, 2015 15:39:33 GMT
this is dumb, don't let crybaby kay bully you out of posting legit rating changes. anyone who thinks mike conley deserves an 86 is on drugs just because i think youre personally a piece of shit doesnt make me a crybaby I might go around trolling people, but you are legitimately a mean person. |
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Post by Alex English on Apr 22, 2015 16:14:32 GMT
83-84. Conley is a good defender and runs one of the most overlooked teams in the league. He's the second best player on the Grizzlies after Gasol.
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Post by James Kay on Apr 22, 2015 16:59:51 GMT
just because i think youre personally a piece of shit doesnt make me a crybaby I might go around trolling people, but you are legitimately a mean person. don’t go playing the victim, you came in to this thread and, completely unprovoked, started calling me names. And this is not the first time you’ve done something like this. Sounds like you’re the crybaby here because I just told it like it is. You make this league worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 18:04:50 GMT
I might go around trolling people, but you are legitimately a mean person. don’t go playing the victim, you came in to this thread and, completely unprovoked, started calling me names. And this is not the first time you’ve done something like this. Sounds like you’re the crybaby here because I just told it like it is. You make this league worse. You just devalue other peoples opinions, because yours is definitely right. Of course I'm wrong! Just like I was on Hassan Whiteside... and Nikola Mirotic. |
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Post by James Kay on Apr 22, 2015 19:30:51 GMT
don’t go playing the victim, you came in to this thread and, completely unprovoked, started calling me names. And this is not the first time you’ve done something like this. Sounds like you’re the crybaby here because I just told it like it is. You make this league worse. You just devalue other peoples opinions, because yours is definitely right. Of course I'm wrong! Just like I was on Hassan Whiteside... and Nikola Mirotic. lolwut. OK Adam, sorry for “devaluing” your opinion. Should I refrain from disagreeing with you at all? No one disagree with Adam because that devalues his opinion please. I guess I’m still arguing with you holding out hope that there’s an inkling of a reasonable person inside you. Besides, I only really voice my disagreement on the extremist positions you take that go way against the grain of generally established viewpoints, like the fact that Beverly is as good as Conley or that Whiteside’s half of season earns him an 86 rating (I actually didn’t even enter the extensive Whiteside discussion, I only said that I thought Gobert was playing better and translating his play into team success). But look at all my posts in response to yours. I’ve only argued with you when: you have used fantasy basketball as a criteria for ratings called a player(Khris Middleton) “waiver-wire trash,” (again, besides being inflammatory, using fantasy for ratings) your claim that Tyson Chandler should be an 85/88 and your accusations of corruption among ratings committee members. You talk about devaluing people’s opinions, when you’re the one saying I joined the “I don’t watch basketball thread”, that my opinion is somehow hypocritical?, and saying I don’t pay attention to basketball. I don’t even post that much I just post when people say ridiculous shit. The only thing you could maybe take offense to is when I called Mirotic bargnani-lite and that was in response to calling Middleton trash. Seriously, take a look at my post history and re-evaluate the things you say before you act like I “devalue your opinion.” Josh just loves to call me a crybaby because I call him out on his shit like saying that he’s the savior of this league, the voice of reason, that his posts apparently “get the most likes” LOL and that 10 out of 10 “people” agree with him. I don’t get how my posts make me a “crybaby” like what am I complaining about it doesn’t even make sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 19:37:32 GMT
You even read what you write bro? I thought I had a condescending tone but you just tell me that I'm fucking stupid and to fuck off, but whatever. I respect that Conleys rating was just changed, I didn't realize it had just been changed, I figured this was like his early last year rating
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Post by James Kay on Apr 22, 2015 20:33:28 GMT
You even read what you write bro? I thought I had a condescending tone but you just tell me that I'm fucking stupid and to fuck off, but whatever. I respect that Conleys rating was just changed, I didn't realize it had just been changed, I figured this was like his early last year rating lol okay i gave an extensive response and you just say that. Please, if you are so confident that I am an asshole, go back through my posts and point out where I have called you stupid without you taking an aggressive tone first. My post-history is available and you’ve only been a member for the first two pages on my post history so it shouldn’t take long to survey all of our interactions. Please, please, do it. The only things I’ve said to you that are even questionable are when I called you delusional for thinking that Davis had worse teammates than Westbrook and when we argued about Tyson Chandler deserving an 85/88 rating equal to Cousins’s while using fantasy basketball and inaccurate stats as arguments – which is still an absurd thing to say and really detracts from the ability to properly rate players. And you conveniently failed to respond to my repeated citations of your own insults which came without any provocation from myself. Here are some of the things you’ve said to me personally: Anyone else want to sign the I don't watch basketball thread? [...] I just wonder how much you even pay attention to basketball. [...] Anyway I'll start the non hypocrite movement here and give gobert an 82. Don't any of you vote higher than you did Whiteside. [...] Looks like my votes are more in line than everyone elses, but I'm the one on Whitesides dick? At least I'm consistent about which big man's dick I choose to suck, and its based on how good they actually are. Middleton is waiver wire trash. 77 I don’t understand how you can think I’m the asshole here. I don’t disagree with you unilaterally. I’ve voiced my agreement with you on the Draymond Green threads and the Mason Plumlee threads. This Conley thread has brought this to a head but when try to decrease my player that JUST received an increase and support it with a statement that Beverly is equal to Conley (really, even if you believe that, you must recognize that it is NOT a popular opinion and therefore going to spark some controversy), I’m not going to treat that opinion with respect. Just admit you’re wrong or admit your Baber’s alt account you keep liking each others’ posts. Honestly maybe you're confusing someone else with me. I never even entered the Whiteside discussions. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 20:36:42 GMT
this thread is a great example of where you're a dick with no provocation. i don't hold grudges from thread to thread or day to day
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Post by James Kay on Apr 22, 2015 20:40:21 GMT
this thread is a great example of where you're a dick with no provocation. i don't hold grudges from thread to thread or day to day Because bringing up past dick things you've said makes me a dick. Ok. You're the one who brought up whiteside and mirotic. Ok. You actually cannot just admit you are wrong here, even with the evidence staring you in the face. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 20:41:33 GMT
No you were a dick from your first post, I just posted a thread then I talked about why I think mike Conley isn't that great and you called me stupid, after teling me to fuck off.
i already apologized for making the thread too early, thats my only crime here.
And for the record, i think beverly is worse than conley, but not by a whole lot. Beverly is 79ish, conley is 82ish
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