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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 16, 2015 16:12:54 GMT
Miami heat sends
76 Carl Landry $6,160,500 $6,838,155 $7,590,352
75 CJ Watson $2,500,000 $3,000,000
2nd round pick 2018 (MIA)
NEW YORK SENDS:
78 Omer Asik $9,600,000 $10,000,000 $11,000,000
I accept, i need a legit big off the bench now Bynum is gone and Asik is definitely the guy.
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Post by Sam Bowie on Mar 16, 2015 17:50:14 GMT
Nice deal but what about the hard cap?  |
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 16, 2015 17:53:44 GMT
Nice deal but what about the hard cap? it will be my problem 2 years from now. a lot can happen in 2 years, i traded Josh smith and Amare before. |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Mar 16, 2015 18:02:39 GMT
Nice deal but what about the hard cap? it will be my problem 2 years from now. a lot can happen in 2 years, i traded Josh smith and Amare before. My point is the following: You will have more than $100M under contract in 2 seasons from now without Lebron and Wade. If you try to re-sign them to long term contracts you would have a future total salary that would largely exceed the hard cap in the future. If we are talking about implementing a hard cap why should player agents let that happen? |
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 16, 2015 18:10:28 GMT
it will be my problem 2 years from now. a lot can happen in 2 years, i traded Josh smith and Amare before. My point is the following: You will have more than $100M under contract in 2 seasons from now without Lebron and Wade. If you try to re-sign them to long term contracts you would have a future total salary that would largely exceed the hard cap in the future. If we are talking about implementing a hard cap why should player agents let that happen? My team was built without thinking of the hard cap before, that's why i strongly oppose having one or we need to have a amnesty rule. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 18:20:09 GMT
Well if you know now about the cap but continue to add cap in or around the season of a hard cap why should you get an amnesty if that does occur. That's why i was against waiting because gms will take advantage of the time just like you Are doing. Most gms start trading for players that will lower the cap to get out of fines,etc. I guess you will and could just keep using your story of not knowing and building to win. It makes sense...before we talked about a hard cap. Maybe putting the hard cap into affect would change your game plan. BYNUM backfired. Finally. I'm sure you Are still hoping to amnesty him or that he retires or You get lucky and get away from his cap. Or Maybe someone else. But You get my idea.
Good pickup for youth. Not sure he is worth what's being given up. But more power to you. Great trades of late...
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 16, 2015 18:26:34 GMT
Well if you know now about the cap but continue to add cap in or around the season of a hard cap why should you get an amnesty if that does occur. That's why i was against waiting because gms will take advantage of the time just like you Are doing. Most gms start trading for players that will lower the cap to get out of fines,etc. I guess you will and could just keep using your story of not knowing and building to win. It makes sense...before we talked about a hard cap. Maybe putting the hard cap into affect would change your game plan. BYNUM backfired. Finally. I'm sure you Are still hoping to amnesty him or that he retires or You get lucky and get away from his cap. Or Maybe someone else. But You get my idea. Good pickup for youth. Not sure he is worth what's being given up. But more power to you. Great trades of late... i just basically added 300k+ cap over the next 2 years so no big deal to that. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 16, 2015 20:23:29 GMT
Asik is worth much more than this, I don't care what the ratings say. Landry is a pretty huge negative right now with that contract, and his rating should be more like a 72 for what he's actually contributing. CJ Watson is more money to a player who isn't very good/productive these days.
That 2nd means nothing in comparison to the negatives being sent.
I'm tempted to reject. Heat get a very nice Center by giving up net negative value IMO.
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Post by Spike Lee on Mar 16, 2015 21:19:48 GMT
Walt, theres fair market value and what im getting offered. asik might be worth more than what im giving him away for, but this is honestly the best offer i've gotten.
my team trying to tank and clear cap space atm. the only purpose of this trade is for me to shed a little bit of asiks contract while also getting some value (2018 2nd) out of him.
i thought the TC was going to start giving GMs more liberty to make trades and not look at everything so concrete. it might not look like im getting the better end of the deal on paper, but this deal fits into my future plans. i accept.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 17, 2015 0:20:54 GMT
Simply Asik for a 2nd rounder...
hmm..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 1:01:01 GMT
asik is trash and is winning new york games and won't be on the roster when the team competes. This is like the Knicks trading shumpert and jr for shitty picks IRL. Of course it's not returning value on paper, but when the knicks lose 15 more games this year and get a pick 3 slots higher... it does return value.
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 17, 2015 13:31:19 GMT
Gonna accept, not that high on Asik. probably an 80-81 at best.
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 17, 2015 17:15:38 GMT
Spike you announced you were shopping Asik like.. 2 days ago? No wonder this is the best deal you got for Asik, you didn't really look around surely? Can you not do better?
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Post by Spike Lee on Mar 18, 2015 1:19:29 GMT
i posted in the chatbox two days ago but i had been talking with other teams before id made that post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 1:28:09 GMT
By the way, the hard cap doesn't really matter since Miami's team looks like a retirement home.
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 19, 2015 20:00:41 GMT
I think New York could get more, but I accept.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 19, 2015 20:35:19 GMT
So a 2nd Rounder that is 4 (FOUR!) drafts away, saving less than $1,000,000 this season, saving $161,845 this offseason, and saving junder 3.5 million in 2 years...Also eating up 2 roster spots instead of one.
I still am not a fan of this for the Knicks. Again the ratings and such don't tell the whole story.
You give up a legit starting Center (pretty solid one IMO) for two bench players who can get 15-23 mpg IRL. Bench players, and not 6th-men type of bench players either.
I just really don't see what New York gets out of this? A 2nd Rounder 4 drafts away and basically 3.5 million in cap savings that is 3 seasons away. Is that the price of a legit starting C on a reasonable contract?
I'm just gonna put in my reject. Maybe I'm the only one, don't care, but I think the values set here are very, very poor. If the Knicks got immediate cap savings, i.e. didn't have to pay Landry past this season, I'd be down with it.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 19, 2015 20:44:07 GMT
So a 2nd Rounder that is 4 (FOUR!) drafts away, saving less than $1,000,000 this season, saving $161,845 this offseason, and saving junder 3.5 million in 2 years...Also eating up 2 roster spots instead of one. I still am not a fan of this for the Knicks. Again the ratings and such don't tell the whole story. You give up a legit starting Center (pretty solid one IMO) for two bench players who can get 15-23 mpg IRL. Bench players, and not 6th-men type of bench players either. I just really don't see what New York gets out of this? A 2nd Rounder 4 drafts away and basically 3.5 million in cap savings that is 3 seasons away. Is that the price of a legit starting C on a reasonable contract? I'm just gonna put in my reject. Maybe I'm the only one, don't care, but I think the values set here are very, very poor. If the Knicks got immediate cap savings, i.e. didn't have to pay Landry past this season, I'd be down with it. On this trade he will loose his starting center which will give way to more loses and tank more for a better pick this upcoming draft. |
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Post by Spike Lee on Mar 20, 2015 2:36:11 GMT
^^^what they said. #imallin4oka4
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 20, 2015 19:34:01 GMT
bump
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Mar 21, 2015 2:15:16 GMT
I accept
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 21, 2015 9:45:46 GMT
Trade passed.
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