Indiana - Phoenix - San Antonio

[Larry Bird]

Indiana Trades:
79 Louis Williams $5,550,000 $6,160,500 $6,838,155
74 Antawn Jamison $6,000,000
76 Jose Barea $4,519,500
76 D.J. Augustin $1,000,000 $1,000,000
72 Tyler Hansbrough $1,050,000 $1,050,000
72 Shaun Livingston $2,500,000 $2,775,000 $3,080,250
73 Mitch McGary $1,032,200 $1,078,700 $1,125,100 $1,967,800 $2,876,923
64 Doron Lamb $5,000,000
72 Stephen Jackson $5,125,000 $5,435,000
Terrel Harris $507,336
Jamaal Tinsley $980,360
Greg Oden $507,336
Ronny Turiaf $980,360
2nd '15 Chicago
2nd '15 Los Angeles Clippers
2nd '16 Detroit
$34,752,092

Indiana Receives:
76 Nick Young $6,000,000 $6,000,000 $6,000,000 $6,000,000
78 O.J. Mayo $8,880,000 $9,856,800 $10,941,048 $12,144,563
78 Vince Carter $3,300,000 $3,600,000
77 Ersan Ilyasova $7,900,000 $8,300,000 $8,600,000
74 Michael Beasley $5,000,000 $4,708,931 $4,242,280 $3,821,876
75 Danny Granger $5,000,000 $5,550,000 $6,160,500
77 Jarrett Jack $5,033,721 $5,587,430 $6,202,047
$41,113,721

Phoenix Trades:
79 Wesley Matthews $7,245,640
77 Tobias Harris $2,380,594 $3,394,726
$9,626,234

Phoenix Receives:
79 Louis Williams $5,550,000 $6,160,500 $6,838,155
72 Tyler Hansbrough $1,050,000 $1,050,000
72 Shaun Livingston $2,500,000 $2,775,000 $3,080,250
$9,100,000

San Antonio Trades:
76 Nick Young $6,000,000 $6,000,000 $6,000,000 $6,000,000
78 O.J. Mayo $8,880,000 $9,856,800 $10,941,048 $12,144,563
78 Vince Carter $3,300,000 $3,600,000
77 Ersan Ilyasova $7,900,000 $8,300,000 $8,600,000
74 Michael Beasley $5,000,000 $4,708,931 $4,242,280 $3,821,876
75 Danny Granger $5,000,000 $5,550,000 $6,160,500
77 Jarrett Jack $5,033,721 $5,587,430 $6,202,047
$41,113,721

San Antonio Receives:
79 Wesley Matthews $7,245,640
77 Tobias Harris $2,380,594 $3,394,726
74 Antawn Jamison $6,000,000
76 Jose Barea $4,519,500
76 D.J. Augustin $1,000,000 $1,000,000
73 Mitch McGary $1,032,200 $1,078,700 $1,125,100 $1,967,800 $2,876,923
64 Doron Lamb $5,000,000
72 Stephen Jackson $5,125,000 $5,435,000
Terrel Harris $507,336
Jamaal Tinsley $980,360
Greg Oden $507,336
Ronny Turiaf $980,360
2nd '15 Chicago
2nd '15 Los Angeles Clippers
2nd '16 Detroit
$42,523,996

I accept this trade. I have to give up my cap space, picks, Williams, Barea, and McGary, but I do get back a lot of depth for trying to make a more complete roster in the playoffs. Hopefully this will not cause me to miss the playoffs, because my team is playing great right now.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

wow did JR just play a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card?

[Deleted]

I tried to stay away from doing this but I've been getting as many 2nds as possible before making the trade.

We get tons of cap and a few more picks to rebuild. We keep a few decent guys and save cap so we can bring in a few good Free Agents. The picks we have will help with the rebuild and in FA. We hope this move helps us let other Players know we are serious about getting back to the playoffs. We still will try and win as much as possible. That's all we know how to do in SA.

Best of luck to all my guys. Go kick some ass out East for Indy.

We accept and look forward to getting back to contention.

[Deleted]

Mar 16, 2015 16:28:20 GMT @griz2385 said:

I tried to stay away from doing this but I've been getting as many 2nds as possible before making the trade.

We get tons of cap and a few more picks to rebuild. We keep a few decent guys and save cap so we can bring in a few good Free Agents. The picks we have will help with the rebuild and in FA. We hope this move helps us let other Players know we are serious about getting back to the playoffs. We still will try and win as much as possible. That's all we know how to do in SA.

Best of luck to all my guys. Go kick some ass out East for Indy.

We accept and look forward to getting back to contention.

Dude JR, this is by far in your favor. You're getting the best 3 players in the trade, and picks. You fucking kicked ass dude. Mitch McGary is going to be really good and tobias harris and wesley matthews are better than anyone you gave away. Congrats.

[Ian Noble]

Good Lord this is half your entire teams traded for one another.

JR I am very impressed. You clear a whopping $33 million for the upcoming off season AND acquire McGary and some 2nds. Is this a clear plan you have unfolding now, at long last?

Pending other GMs accepting, and pending this trade adhering to rules (since it's so huge, I haven't checked yet), I accept.

[Deleted]

That's if I can get Wesley to resign. We will have cap space to make moves and we will see where Wes is and talk about FA as it gets closer to that time. For now we have half a season left and still work to do to make SA a place where free agents will want to sign.

[Sam Bowie]

2 great deals in a row for Spurs!

[Allen Iverson]

Not a good trade for Phoenix since he has Tobias' BRs (IMO, best player in this deal). Yes Wes got injured, but still, he has 3 young guys in Kawhi, Tobias, and Kemba all with BRs.

Lou Will is great, but definitely not going to be a starter in Toronto. Same goes for Livingston in GS (unless Kerr rests Curry). And Psycho T is a bench guy forever.

And it's not like PHX is gunning for a playoff spot this season (Well they could, only about 4-5 games behind number 8, but still doesn't suggest a strong run during postseason. #8 faces Dallas too lol).

It's a nice trade for SAS and maybe IND, but not for PHX. Just saying..

[Bryan Colangelo]

I accept, attaaa boyyy JR

[Charles Barkley]

I think everyone is missing the point in this trade. Beyond JR swapping the majority of his team, Dan is trading away Tobias Harris. And he isn't getting shit for him. Toby is a legit combo forward who is putting up 17-6-2 at age 22 and Dan has his BR's.

I'm sorry, but I don't think Lou Williams, Livingston, and Hansborough is any where close to a decent return on him. Plus, Dan takes on cap in this move. I am sorry, but I just don't understand it from his perspective and I think it needs to be looked at.

[Walt Frazier]

Mar 16, 2015 19:31:21 GMT Charles Barkley said:

I think everyone is missing the point in this trade. Beyond JR swapping the majority of his team, Dan is trading away Tobias Harris. And he isn't getting shit for him. Toby is a legit combo forward who is putting up 17-6-2 at age 22 and Dan has his BR's.

I'm sorry, but I don't think Lou Williams, Livingston, and Hansborough is any where close to a decent return on him. Plus, Dan takes on cap in this move. I am sorry, but I just don't understand it from his perspective and I think it needs to be looked at.

This was my first and, at the end, main concern about this trade. I'm like, what the hell is Phoenix doing? I'm very tempted to reject. He has an improving team, what is he getting for two good players, one which is young and he owns the BRs? Lou Williams, a maybe 6th man...livingston who is a top 8 guy on playoff teams (something PHX isn't yet), and Hansbrough who is just like the 2nd or 3rd backup big on a good team.

Bleh.

I really think I have to reject.

As a side note, JR, I wish you could do this trade and get out of all that money, it would be nice to see the Spurs move in a new direction. I just don't see how this is OK for Phoenix. Can Tobias be swapped out for someone else who isn't so valuable to the Suns?

[Charles Barkley]

Mar 16, 2015 20:27:22 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Mar 16, 2015 19:31:21 GMT Charles Barkley said:

I think everyone is missing the point in this trade. Beyond JR swapping the majority of his team, Dan is trading away Tobias Harris. And he isn't getting shit for him. Toby is a legit combo forward who is putting up 17-6-2 at age 22 and Dan has his BR's.

I'm sorry, but I don't think Lou Williams, Livingston, and Hansborough is any where close to a decent return on him. Plus, Dan takes on cap in this move. I am sorry, but I just don't understand it from his perspective and I think it needs to be looked at.

This was my first and, at the end, main concern about this trade. I'm like, what the hell is Phoenix doing? I'm very tempted to reject. He has an improving team, what is he getting for two good players, one which is young and he owns the BRs? Lou Williams, a maybe 6th man...livingston who is a top 8 guy on playoff teams (something PHX isn't yet), and Hansbrough who is just like the 2nd or 3rd backup big on a good team.

Bleh.

I really think I have to reject.

As a side note, JR, I wish you could do this trade and get out of all that money, it would be nice to see the Spurs move in a new direction. I just don't see how this is OK for Phoenix. Can Tobias be swapped out for someone else who isn't so valuable to the Suns?

It just seems like it was majorly overlooked in the trade. Everyone is looking at what JR and Larry did, with the swapping of half their teams, but the REAL thing going on in the trade is what PHX is doing. 

At the beginning of the season, Dan and I were talking, well, we were "discussing" a trade where I acquire Toby. He wanted Dipo for Toby, and while I wouldn't be getting the BR's on Toby, I was thinking about it, at least about what else could be added in to make up for me not getting the BRs on Toby.

I am just really high on all of the Orlando Magic IRL. I don't think their record IRL truly shows the type of potential that team has, especially with the ability to add in another lotto pick this season. And, it isn't like a fluky season for Toby, since he has been with the Magic, and gotten real playing time, he has been a really good combo forward. 

Not only does Dan relinquish Harris and his BRs, he also gives up Wes. And while Wes did tear his achilles, we all would like to think that the team that owns the player in their last year under contract, has some sort of advantage in resigning him. And has really shined this season and is a really good SG in this league and is becoming a complete player. He was probably on his way towards a 60-70 million dollar contract in real life, let alone what he would have commanded in here with all of us having cap space.

I just really think Dan gets fucked hard in this trade and think it was majorly overlooked by Bryan and Ian in the acceptance process.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Dan hasn't even accepted

[Charles Barkley]

Mar 16, 2015 21:26:52 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Dan hasn't even accepted

I honestly don't think he will, last time I asked him what he wanted for Toby, which was in early to middle of January, he replied with: "Giannis"

[Ian Noble]

Mar 16, 2015 21:41:50 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Mar 16, 2015 21:26:52 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Dan hasn't even accepted

I honestly don't think he will, last time I asked him what he wanted for Toby, which was in early to middle of January, he replied with: "Giannis"

Tobias has sat the bench for Dan's Phoenix all season long. When Wesley Matthews got injured, he didn't move Kawhi to SG and put Harris at SF, he activated Alonzo Gee and kept Tobias on the bench.

Tobias Harris shouldn't be enough of a reason to reject this trade.

[Sam Bowie]

Mar 16, 2015 21:46:24 GMT Ian Noble said:

Tobias has sat the bench for Dan's Phoenix all season long. When Wesley Matthews got injured, he didn't move Kawhi to SG and put Harris at SF, he activated Alonzo Gee and kept Tobias on the bench.

Tobias Harris shouldn't be enough of a reason to reject this trade.

Yes, Ian is right. Dan did that in his post of March.
About the trade, I think it should be accepted once Dan replies to it based on the GMs involved. JR deserves this one. Time to change his luck. Moreover, this trade doesn´t affect the league`s general order if you know what I mean. It only swaps the teams in the middle of the ranking.

[Charles Barkley]

Mar 16, 2015 21:56:40 GMT Sam Bowie said:

Mar 16, 2015 21:46:24 GMT Ian Noble said:

Tobias has sat the bench for Dan's Phoenix all season long. When Wesley Matthews got injured, he didn't move Kawhi to SG and put Harris at SF, he activated Alonzo Gee and kept Tobias on the bench.

Tobias Harris shouldn't be enough of a reason to reject this trade.

Yes, Ian is right. Dan did that in his post of March.
About the trade, I think it should be accepted once Dan replies to it based on the GMs involved. JR deserves this one. Time to change his luck. Moreover, this trade doesn´t affect the league`s general order if you know what I mean. It only swaps the teams in the middle of the ranking.

What post of March?

How does one GM deserve something in a trade? I don't understand that comment. If you "lose" a series of trades, that doesn't mean you should get to "win" the next one. 

Every trade is important, they all effect things. Every team is just as important as another team. 

It seems like you are saying that this trade isn't important because of the teams it effects. That's a terrible ideology to have man. One trade is just as important as another. Moreover, if anything, this trade should be more important than others because of the amount of players being moved. 

[Walt Frazier]

Mar 16, 2015 21:46:24 GMT Ian Noble said:

Mar 16, 2015 21:41:50 GMT Charles Barkley said:

I honestly don't think he will, last time I asked him what he wanted for Toby, which was in early to middle of January, he replied with: "Giannis"

Tobias has sat the bench for Dan's Phoenix all season long. When Wesley Matthews got injured, he didn't move Kawhi to SG and put Harris at SF, he activated Alonzo Gee and kept Tobias on the bench.

Tobias Harris shouldn't be enough of a reason to reject this trade.

Not to be too harsh but, Dan's ineptitude as a GM shouldn't be reason to let him screw himself further. If anything, shouldn't we have learned from JR's woes? Let's protect Dan a little bit. He has a better piece in Tobias than he knows, let's help him realize that.

[Deleted]

Dan has his reasons for doing this trade. He accepted the trade as a three way. It was brought to his attention even before we posted the trade because What had happened last time Indy posted a trade and made it a three way, even though he had both Trades accepted by each GM. I made sure that was not the case here and I talked to even Phoenix about where we were with the trade. This trade was not posted until all three gms agreed. I know Dan has not accepted yet. I hope he sticks to his promise And accept a the trade and lets the comittee finalize the trade one way or another. Nothing is guaranteed in the league and Wes Matthews was not guaranteed to return even though Dan had his BRs. I honestly see him leaving Phoenix before resigning there. Tell me you guys dont. Now I'm not saying he will resign with us either. He may never play a day in the uniform but he would be a Spur in hope of adding him And other FAs with the cap we have made I'm this trade. With the 10 2nds rounders we acquired and Martin And Harris, we hope we can bring greatness back to SA. We as Gms know what we want to do and where we want to go with our rosters, with the overall goal of winning it all..but Dan agreed to do this trade with us because he sees certain things happening with his team that we do not. He has plans on who he wants in Phoenix and who he wants to go after in FA and maybe Wesley was just not that guy at that position. Indy improves his depth, I rebuild the best I can. But in the end all three of us agreed to this trade and even if Dan takes all the comments here And decides not to do the trade...I will still respect him because I know he knows what he wants to do and has a plan and he's a great GM
..active or not. Sometimes we all may decisions and sometimes it takes us all longer too pull the trigger on certain types of trades. Who knows where Dan and Larry will go with there teams after this but I hope as a veteran GM we continue with this league because it's about trust and I trust every GM I make a deal with. Those that have done me wrong..you all know because I have issues with those gms. Best of luck to each of us. We all agreed and I hope I can continue with my plans after Dan agrees and the trade gets accepted. The future is bright in SA, Indy and Phx. Thanks for everyone's thoughts and opinions but only those on the TC and the GMs in the trade matter. Thanks to both Gms and Gl here forward.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Or better, let us wait for him to speak up.

[Deleted]

Mar 17, 2015 1:04:41 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Mar 16, 2015 21:46:24 GMT Ian Noble said:

Tobias has sat the bench for Dan's Phoenix all season long. When Wesley Matthews got injured, he didn't move Kawhi to SG and put Harris at SF, he activated Alonzo Gee and kept Tobias on the bench.

Tobias Harris shouldn't be enough of a reason to reject this trade.

Not to be too harsh but, Dan's ineptitude as a GM shouldn't be reason to let him screw himself further. If anything, shouldn't we have learned from JR's woes? Let's protect Dan a little bit. He has a better piece in Tobias than he knows, let's help him realize that.


Dan is a great gm. He's a vet GM and he is as active as he needs to be. Don't be trying to make this like Dan's making a bad decision..when really your just trying to screw me yet again. Is that really the case. Dan knows what he is doing. Its his team. Please stop trying to run gms teams. Or am I right you just dislike me this much? Dan will accept If he wants and if he thinks it will be best for his team. Its not your decision. And with that and one more accept...we will all move on...


And guess what we will be better than you Walt...

[Deleted]

I hate this for Phoenix, but good job JR!

[Walt Frazier]

Mar 17, 2015 1:31:00 GMT @griz2385 said:

Mar 17, 2015 1:04:41 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Not to be too harsh but, Dan's ineptitude as a GM shouldn't be reason to let him screw himself further. If anything, shouldn't we have learned from JR's woes? Let's protect Dan a little bit. He has a better piece in Tobias than he knows, let's help him realize that.


Dan is a great gm. He's a vet GM and he is as active as he needs to be. Don't be trying to make this like Dan's making a bad decision..when really your just trying to screw me yet again. Is that really the case. Dan knows what he is doing. Its his team. Please stop trying to run gms teams. Or am I right you just dislike me this much? Dan will accept If he wants and if he thinks it will be best for his team. Its not your decision. And with that and one more accept...we will all move on...


And guess what we will be better than you Walt...

I really wish you weren't so fucking paranoid JR. I even asked, if there was a way to leave Tobias out and replace him with someone of similar money but not so much value to Phoenix. If there was, I'd accept it. That's how much Tobias means, IMO, to this trade.

And I never said anything about his activity. Stop making shit up. I think it's dumb anyone would play Alonzo Gee over Tobias Harris. Unless they're trying to tank or something. Which, OK, that runs rampant here but if the guy doesn't like Tobias he should trade him. From what Charles has said, he seems to value him very highly, but he is getting about nothing for him here. Still makes no sense at all.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU, THIS IS ABOUT DAN/PHOENIX. Stop being a paranoid loon!

Thanks :-)

[Charles Barkley]

Mar 17, 2015 1:18:11 GMT @griz2385 said:

Dan has his reasons for doing this trade. He accepted the trade as a three way. It was brought to his attention even before we posted the trade because What had happened last time Indy posted a trade and made it a three way, even though he had both Trades accepted by each GM. I made sure that was not the case here and I talked to even Phoenix about where we were with the trade. This trade was not posted until all three gms agreed. I know Dan has not accepted yet. I hope he sticks to his promise And accept a the trade and lets the comittee finalize the trade one way or another. Nothing is guaranteed in the league and Wes Matthews was not guaranteed to return even though Dan had his BRs. I honestly see him leaving Phoenix before resigning there. Tell me you guys dont. Now I'm not saying he will resign with us either. He may never play a day in the uniform but he would be a Spur in hope of adding him And other FAs with the cap we have made I'm this trade. With the 10 2nds rounders we acquired and Martin And Harris, we hope we can bring greatness back to SA. We as Gms know what we want to do and where we want to go with our rosters, with the overall goal of winning it all..but Dan agreed to do this trade with us because he sees certain things happening with his team that we do not. He has plans on who he wants in Phoenix and who he wants to go after in FA and maybe Wesley was just not that guy at that position. Indy improves his depth, I rebuild the best I can. But in the end all three of us agreed to this trade and even if Dan takes all the comments here And decides not to do the trade...I will still respect him because I know he knows what he wants to do and has a plan and he's a great GM
..active or not. Sometimes we all may decisions and sometimes it takes us all longer too pull the trigger on certain types of trades. Who knows where Dan and Larry will go with there teams after this but I hope as a veteran GM we continue with this league because it's about trust and I trust every GM I make a deal with. Those that have done me wrong..you all know because I have issues with those gms. Best of luck to each of us. We all agreed and I hope I can continue with my plans after Dan agrees and the trade gets accepted. The future is bright in SA, Indy and Phx. Thanks for everyone's thoughts and opinions but only those on the TC and the GMs in the trade matter. Thanks to both Gms and Gl here forward.

We were talking about Tobias Harris, not Wes Matthews. Dan doesn't have BRs on Wes, he does on Toby. 

[Jeremiah Hill]

Anyone who has anything against this trade needs to shut up. None of these players are game changers and this doesn't exactly "shake the fabric of the league". This is a cool fun trade that if each team is happy with should go through.

[Sam Bowie]

Mar 17, 2015 0:53:45 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Mar 16, 2015 21:56:40 GMT Sam Bowie said:

It seems like you are saying that this trade isn't important because of the teams it effects. That's a terrible ideology to have man. One trade is just as important as another. Moreover, if anything, this trade should be more important than others because of the amount of players being moved. 

Unless the trade is absolutely awful, I think that a trade should be rejected if it hurts the league (ex.: if it makes the worst team even worse turning it less attractive for potential GMs) or if it involves a new GM that clearly doesn´t know what he is doing.

[Blake Bowman]

Phoenix gets wrecked.. Like, ravished harder than Rick Rude. And I'd definitely say that at 22, Harris' potential is more valuble than it's being treated, plus he gives Wes who has value. Just my two-penn'orth.

[Walt Frazier]

Mar 17, 2015 2:08:44 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Anyone who has anything against this trade needs to shut up. None of these players are game changers and this doesn't exactly "shake the fabric of the league". This is a cool fun trade that if each team is happy with should go through.

Anyone who doesn't see how Phoenix is hurting his team significantly needs to pay attention.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Mar 17, 2015 2:39:33 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Mar 17, 2015 2:08:44 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Anyone who has anything against this trade needs to shut up. None of these players are game changers and this doesn't exactly "shake the fabric of the league". This is a cool fun trade that if each team is happy with should go through.

Anyone who doesn't see how Phoenix is hurting his team significantly needs to pay attention.

Tobias Harris is average at best it doesn't matter what his potential is because Phoenix is trying to resign Khawi eventually and Harris isn't going to be apart of that plan. Harris has limited value with only 2 years left. I don't mean to give away Dan's plan but this seems like either a set up move for something else or he is trying to put together a team that is decent enough to attract a free agent to pair with Khawi. Khawi is special and we'll see it again in the playoffs this year. Either way his team isn't devastated by this deal. He didn't trade away any picks. His only mistake was waiting this long to trade Harris because he had more value last year. Next season he has 0 value. And he wouldn't have value on an inflated deal that Dan would need to give him to keep him. Just because a player is "young" doesn't mean they have more value. This kind of thinking is why Philly won't be good again until they fire Sam Hinkie. Houston rode as an 8-10 seed for a few years and are in a better position than pretty much all of the teams that have tanked in the past few years.

[Walt Frazier]

Mar 17, 2015 3:39:33 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Mar 17, 2015 2:39:33 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Anyone who doesn't see how Phoenix is hurting his team significantly needs to pay attention.

Tobias Harris is average at best it doesn't matter what his potential is because Phoenix is trying to resign Khawi eventually and Harris isn't going to be apart of that plan. Harris has limited value with only 2 years left. I don't mean to give away Dan's plan but this seems like either a set up move for something else or he is trying to put together a team that is decent enough to attract a free agent to pair with Khawi. Khawi is special and we'll see it again in the playoffs this year. Either way his team isn't devastated by this deal. He didn't trade away any picks. His only mistake was waiting this long to trade Harris because he had more value last year. Next season he has 0 value. And he wouldn't have value on an inflated deal that Dan would need to give him to keep him. Just because a player is "young" doesn't mean they have more value. This kind of thinking is why Philly won't be good again until they fire Sam Hinkie. Houston rode as an 8-10 seed for a few years and are in a better position than pretty much all of the teams that have tanked in the past few years.

Kawhi plays the 2/3 depending on the team/system and Tobias plays the 3/4 depending on the team/system. Keep both! Bird Rights on Tobias! Keep Kemba. There are 3 positions plus Taj as an amazing 6th man, or possible starter if other players don't sign.

I don't think Tobias hurts re-signing Kawhi, they are different types of players. You could sign a SG and play Kemba/Signee/Kawhi/Tobias/whoever

Or sign a SF and play Kemba/Kawhi/Signee/Tobias/whoever

Or sign a PF and play Kemba/Kawhi/Tobias/Signee/whoever

Or sign a C and do a bunch of variations.

Still not seeing it, seems a loss of value.

Tobias is worth much more to Phoenix than he is to anyone else in this league. This trade is silly and hurts him a lot.