|
Post by Alex English on Feb 19, 2015 22:17:48 GMT
What does everyone think about what went down today? Here are the trades so far: Denver Nuggets Acquire:Draft Rights to Cenk Akyol Philadelphia 76ers Acquire:JaVale McGee OKC 2015 1st round pick (top 18 protected) Draft rights to Chukwudiebere Maduabum Sacramento Kings Acquire:Andre Miller Washington Wizards Acquire:Ramon Sessions Portland Trail Blazers Acquire:Arron Afflalo Alonzo Gee Denver Nuggets Acquire:Thomas Robinson Will Barton Victor Claver POR 2016 1st round pick (top 14 protected) Minnesota Timberwolves Acquire:Kevin Garnett Brooklyn Nets Acquire:Thaddeus Young Oklahoma City Thunder Acquire:Enes Kanter DJ Augustin Kyle Singler Steve Novak Utah Jazz Acquire: Kendrick Perkins 1st round pick 2nd round pick Detroit Pistons Acquire:Reggie Jackson Philadelphia 76ers Acquire:LAL 2015 1st round pick (top 5 protected) Maybe more draft picks?? Phoenix Suns Acquire:Brandon Knight Milwaukee Bucks Acquire:Michael Carter-Williams Tyler Ennis Miles Plumlee Philadelphia 76ers Acquire:Isaiah Canaan 2nd round pick Houston Rockets Acquire:KJ McDaniels Houston Rockets Acquire:Pablo Prigioni New York Knicks Acquire:Alexy Shved 2 future 2nd round picks Phoenix Suns Acquire:Marcus Thornton 2016 1st round pick Detroit Pistons Acquire:Tayshaun Prince Boston Celtics Acquire:Isaiah Thomas Jonas Jerebko Luigi Datome Phoenix Suns Acquire:Danny Granger Justin Hamilton John Salmons Two 1st round picks Miami Heat Acquire:Goran Dragic Zoran Dragic New Orleans Pelicans Acquire:Shawne Williams Norris Cole
|
|
|
Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 19, 2015 22:19:39 GMT
Jazz also get a first rounder and a 2nd in the Enes deal
|
|
|
Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 19, 2015 22:22:37 GMT
Hinkie being a cheap S.O.B backfired on him losing KJ like that
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 22:23:34 GMT
Great post... Norris Cole is going to the Pelicans, though.
|
|
|
Post by Alex English on Feb 19, 2015 22:24:05 GMT
Jazz also get a first rounder and a 2nd in the Enes deal Changed. I was thinking the Jazz got way too little for Kanter, that makes more sense.
|
|
|
Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 19, 2015 22:26:08 GMT
Why did the bucks give up Brandon Knight for MCW. Knight is so much better
|
|
|
Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 19, 2015 22:27:14 GMT
Also one more thing Sixers get the top 5 protected lakers pick that the suns had
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 22:27:29 GMT
The best trade was Afflalo to Portland. They now have everything they need to make a deep run. Their lack of depth was killing them, and it showed.
Wonder what Philly got for dumping all of their promising players (again).
Like wtf, does Philly just want to permanently tank? What the hell is the point in drafting these players high and then trading them away for another high draft pick? They're not going to get a Lebron.
|
|
|
Post by Alex English on Feb 19, 2015 22:28:09 GMT
The Suns didn't get much for Dragic. I guess his value was pretty low since he announced to the world he was leaving in the offseason.
Their backcourt trio now goes from Dragic, Bledsoe and Thomas to Bledsoe, Knight and Thornton. Plus no Ennis.
|
|
|
Post by Alex English on Feb 19, 2015 22:34:09 GMT
Why did the bucks give up Brandon Knight for MCW. Knight is so much better I agree. Carter-Williams sucks and I figured the Sixers would trade him since he is not the efficient analytics style player that would fit well with a team run by Sam Hinkie. It's good news for Tyler Ennis though who should get a lot more playing time with just MCW and Jared Bayless to battle for minutes.
|
|
|
Post by Alex English on Feb 19, 2015 22:37:28 GMT
Wonder what Philly got for dumping all of their promising players (again). Like wtf, does Philly just want to permanently tank? What the hell is the point in drafting these players high and then trading them away for another high draft pick? They're not going to get a Lebron. I don't know, they didn't dump much. The got rid of McDaniels because they don't want to pay him come the offseason, and Isaiah Canaan is pretty good. Then they got rid of MCW who sucks anyway. He was never part of their long term plans.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 22:42:16 GMT
>Thinking MCW sucks.
Man, it's the fact that he was in Philly and was literally the only person that was guarded or could shoot the ball. I agree, I don't think he's a world beater, but I think he will develop nicely under Kidd.
Oh, btw, Josh's own Ish Smith went to the pelicans too. Pretty sure he, and hamilton (who went to the pelicans as well i think), and williams are all just going to get bought out though.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 22:43:24 GMT
If the Lakers pick falls outside the top 5 and the Thunder pick falls outside the top 18, 76ers could have 4 first-round picks in 2015.
Sam Hinkie - "I'll take whats in the box"
|
|
|
Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 19, 2015 22:44:25 GMT
Even if you think MCW is underrated there is no doubt Knight is better. Heat have a nice starting 5 now
Dragon-Wade-Deng-Bosh-Kareem Abdul Jabbar Junior
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 22:51:23 GMT
Even if you think MCW is underrated there is no doubt Knight is better. Heat have a nice starting 5 now Dragon-Wade-Deng-Bosh-Kareem Abdul Jabbar Junior Yeah, Knight > MCW. But with Ennis and Plumlee in there too, it's not that big of a headscratcher. They might be wanting to just have Jabari play point forward
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 22:53:25 GMT
Suns made out great. They got back a few first Rounders. They got better at the PG position. Green and Bledsoe should be enough at the 2. They bring in Vet Granger who will finally get on a team since leaving Indy to get mins. Thank God! Tired of hearing he's done. Overall I think they improved the most and should mesh well. Not only that I think this improves Bledsoe. We will see more from him. They still have a nice frontcourt. I think they finally get into the West. OKC of course will get in. Not sure who gets bumped out...
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 22:54:51 GMT
Suns made out great. They got back a few first Rounders. They got better at the PG position. Green and Bledsoe should be enough at the 2. They bring in Vet Granger who will finally get on a team since leaving Indy to get mins. Thank God! Tired of hearing he's done. Overall I think they improved the most and should mesh well. Not only that I think this improves Bledsoe. We will see more from him. They still have a nice frontcourt. I think they finally get into the West. OKC of course will get in. Not sure who gets bumped out... Wait... you think the Suns IMPROVED at the PG position? You know Dragic is was a top 15 overall player last year, and is a top 10 PG this year.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 22:58:09 GMT
Yes they did..
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 22:59:56 GMT
How is Brandon Knight better than Dragic?
|
|
|
Post by Alex English on Feb 19, 2015 23:00:22 GMT
Man, it's the fact that he was in Philly and was literally the only person that was guarded or could shoot the ball. No. Him being in Philly inflated his stats since he had usage rates above 25%. He doesn't deserve having such a large role on a team. And what do you mean MCW can shoot the ball? He is probably one of the worst shooters in the league. His career numbers so far are 39.6% from the floor and 26.1% from three. He's also a turnover machine with an assist to turnover ratio of 1.64. Which is unbelievably bad. The best in the league have ratios of 4:1 or 5:1. Michael Carter-Williams actually sucks. With a smaller role in Milwaukee he should be able to play more efficiently, but he'll never be an above average starting point guard.
|
|
|
Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 19, 2015 23:00:54 GMT
I agree Knight > Dragic
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 23:02:48 GMT
Man, it's the fact that he was in Philly and was literally the only person that was guarded or could shoot the ball. No. Him being in Philly inflated his stats since he had usage rates above 25%. He doesn't deserve having such a large role on a team. And what do you mean MCW can shoot the ball? He is probably one of the worst shooters in the league. His career numbers so far are 39.6% from the floor and 26.1% from three. He's also a turnover machine with an assist to turnover ratio of 1.64. Which is unbelievably bad. The best in the league have ratios of 4:1 or 5:1. Michael Carter-Williams actually sucks. With a smaller role in Milwaukee he should be able to play more efficiently, but he'll never be an above average starting point guard. Your argument works and doesn't. His totals were inflated because of higher usage, yes. But his %'s suffered because he was on the 1st page of the scouting report... I'm not saying he's super good or anything, but he could become an above average point guard, and I think he is finally in a place where we will be able to put these arguments/projections to the test If he is going to succeed anywhere, it'll be in Milly under Kidd.
|
|
|
Post by Alex English on Feb 19, 2015 23:10:33 GMT
Your argument works and doesn't. His totals were inflated because of higher usage, yes. But his %'s suffered because he was on the 1st page of the scouting report... I'm not saying he's super good or anything, but he could become an above average point guard, and I think he is finally in a place where we will be able to put these arguments/projections to the test If he is going to succeed anywhere, it'll be in Milly under Kidd. Not really. He just can't shoot. His stats at Syracuse are very similar. 39.8% from the floor and 30.7% from three, the college three. If he can become a defensive first PG then he might be able to find a solid role in the NBA. But right now he sucks. If I had him I'd trade him ASAP while there are still believers in his skill.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 23:12:30 GMT
Your argument works and doesn't. His totals were inflated because of higher usage, yes. But his %'s suffered because he was on the 1st page of the scouting report... I'm not saying he's super good or anything, but he could become an above average point guard, and I think he is finally in a place where we will be able to put these arguments/projections to the test If he is going to succeed anywhere, it'll be in Milly under Kidd. Not really. He just can't shoot. His stats at Syracuse are very similar. 39.8% from the floor and 30.7% from three, the college three. If he can become a defensive first PG then he might be able to find a solid role in the NBA. But right now he sucks. If I had him I'd trade him ASAP while there are still believers in his skill. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he sucked forever, I'm just saying it seems like everyone has written him off as failed, and I think he could get better. But hey, I'm not trading Brandon Knight for him
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 23:23:07 GMT
How is Brandon Knight better than Dragic? I personally think he is. They are similar. I just think his game And Bledsoes will mesh well together. I can't wait. Of course Dragic will standout in Miami because they have not had a point guard of his caliber in some time. I wish them both the best. Don't be surprised how today's trades affect the East playoff seeding. The Suns got ecactly what they needed. But then again I am a Suns fan ....
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 23:27:05 GMT
Guess Isaiah Thomas won't be winning 6th man of the year now , he definitely had my vote.
|
|
Glenn Robinson
Milwaukee Bucks
Starter
Posts: 1,226
Mar 2, 2024 5:20:47 GMT
|
Post by Glenn Robinson on Feb 19, 2015 23:43:26 GMT
Some of you guys are hilarious. Brandon Knight is not that good and will be demanding a huge contract this offseason. The Bucks were not looking to dump a ton of money into a player that won't take them to the next level. Regardless what you think about MCW, this was a signal that the face of the Bucks is now Jabari and Giannis. "Oddly, the Bucks — perhaps the NBA’s most surprising success story this season — played better as a team when Knight was on the bench this season, according Basketball Reference’s on-off data. With Knight off the court, Milwaukee scored at a rate of 107.7 points per 100 possessions, up from 103.2 with him on the court. The team’s defense also improved with Knight off the court, as it allowed 103.5 points per 100 possessions with Knight on the court and 99.3 with him off of it." www.bucksketball.com/2015/02/bucks-trade-knight-to-phoenix-get-carter-williams-plumlee-in-three-team-deal/Try and look past the box score stats. Knight pounds the air out of the ball and doesn't set up his teammates. Keeps his head down on the fast break all the time and almost averages as many turnovers as he does assists.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Apr 29, 2024 6:38:07 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 23:51:00 GMT
Some of you guys are hilarious. Brandon Knight is not that good and will be demanding a huge contract this offseason. The Bucks were not looking to dump a ton of money into a player that won't take them to the next level. Regardless what you think about MCW, this was a signal that the face of the Bucks is now Jabari and Giannis. "Oddly, the Bucks — perhaps the NBA’s most surprising success story this season — played better as a team when Knight was on the bench this season, according Basketball Reference’s on-off data. With Knight off the court, Milwaukee scored at a rate of 107.7 points per 100 possessions, up from 103.2 with him on the court. The team’s defense also improved with Knight off the court, as it allowed 103.5 points per 100 possessions with Knight on the court and 99.3 with him off of it." www.bucksketball.com/2015/02/bucks-trade-knight-to-phoenix-get-carter-williams-plumlee-in-three-team-deal/Try and look past the box score stats. Knight pounds the air out of the ball and doesn't set up his teammates. Keeps his head down on the fast break all the time and almost averages as many turnovers as he does assists. But... but.. he's better than Dragic!
|
|
|
Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 19, 2015 23:57:52 GMT
Some of you guys are hilarious. Brandon Knight is not that good and will be demanding a huge contract this offseason. The Bucks were not looking to dump a ton of money into a player that won't take them to the next level. Regardless what you think about MCW, this was a signal that the face of the Bucks is now Jabari and Giannis. "Oddly, the Bucks — perhaps the NBA’s most surprising success story this season — played better as a team when Knight was on the bench this season, according Basketball Reference’s on-off data. With Knight off the court, Milwaukee scored at a rate of 107.7 points per 100 possessions, up from 103.2 with him on the court. The team’s defense also improved with Knight off the court, as it allowed 103.5 points per 100 possessions with Knight on the court and 99.3 with him off of it." www.bucksketball.com/2015/02/bucks-trade-knight-to-phoenix-get-carter-williams-plumlee-in-three-team-deal/Try and look past the box score stats. Knight pounds the air out of the ball and doesn't set up his teammates. Keeps his head down on the fast break all the time and almost averages as many turnovers as he does assists. That's stupid. Why are the Bucks winning games then? Parker has been out and Giannis has only started dominating this past month. Knight has carried that team
|
|
|
Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 20, 2015 0:20:08 GMT
That KJ Mcdaniels to Houston is so sick!
Now Houston bench is just boosted a notch!
|
|