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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 8, 2015 6:08:05 GMT
#2 - Next season I think the ratings should start out lower for the most part. We went a bit high, though I believe everyone had this class overrated, so we just went with that general idea. This is pretty much it imo. This might have been the most hyped class since 2003. Almost nobody has live up to expectations though, but I don't think we need to make any new rules about it. We just need to keep it in mind next year. I think a system like the one I described makes sense because of the reasons I state. It reduces most issues we are having with current rookies. I have long supported the ratings given to current rooks because they actually do in fact play the way they are "supposed" to within the SIM. I just think they are way too good ovr in general.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 8, 2015 14:11:04 GMT
I agree with this for the most part, but I still think rookies that haven't played at all in real-life really shouldn't be rated all that high. I just don't get how we can back the thought of letting them contribute to a degree that is very noticeable when they don't in real-life. If the point is to make it as real as possible, I would think this is a no brainer. Essentially, the same thing as Jeremiah said.Their overall is inflated and they are making a difference in sims because of it.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 8, 2015 14:17:52 GMT
I agree with this for the most part, but I still think rookies that haven't played at all in real-life really shouldn't be rated all that high. I just don't get how we can back the thought of letting them contribute to a degree that is very noticeable when they don't in real-life. If the point is to make it as real as possible, I would think this is a no brainer. Essentially, the same thing as Jeremiah said.Their overall is inflated and they are making a difference in sims because of it. Yet we have had a 68 player going stud mode and a 76 player riding the bench. Players will produce differently in different situations.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 8, 2015 14:43:37 GMT
I agree with this for the most part, but I still think rookies that haven't played at all in real-life really shouldn't be rated all that high. I just don't get how we can back the thought of letting them contribute to a degree that is very noticeable when they don't in real-life. If the point is to make it as real as possible, I would think this is a no brainer. Essentially, the same thing as Jeremiah said.Their overall is inflated and they are making a difference in sims because of it. Yet we have had a 68 player going stud mode and a 76 player riding the bench. Players will produce differently in different situations. Yeah but you have no proof that if given the same opportunity that 76 would produce in line with his rating. When we rate players we have to take everything into account, I understand that. BUT these bench riders have no in NBA history to rest their laurels on. For example we all know Dragic Isaiah and Bledsoe going to get fewer minutes. No one is rushing to drop their ratings because we know their situation has changed but it had nothing to do with their actual respective games. But these rookies can't rest on their past play because they have none or very little in the NBA. We can point to D-League stats all we want for some of them but to be honest Kevin Jones out of WVU played a bit for the Cavs a few seasons before we got LBJ back. He is the definition of a fringe player in the NBA and he averaged like 22 and 11 in the D-League and then 19 and 8 the next season with way lass minutes. All success in the D-League shows me is that that player is at the very least fringe NBA caliber. It's interesting to see that because it really shows the difference in competition levels between the NBA and D League.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 15:10:55 GMT
... Kevin Jones was my homeboy. He had so much heart and hustle.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 8, 2015 17:50:07 GMT
I agree with this for the most part, but I still think rookies that haven't played at all in real-life really shouldn't be rated all that high. I just don't get how we can back the thought of letting them contribute to a degree that is very noticeable when they don't in real-life. If the point is to make it as real as possible, I would think this is a no brainer. Essentially, the same thing as Jeremiah said.Their overall is inflated and they are making a difference in sims because of it. Yet we have had a 68 player going stud mode and a 76 player riding the bench. Players will produce differently in different situations. Who is this 68? Does he play on a team with a bunch of other low rated players?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 9, 2015 5:01:15 GMT
Yet we have had a 68 player going stud mode and a 76 player riding the bench. Players will produce differently in different situations. Yeah but you have no proof that if given the same opportunity that 76 would produce in line with his rating. When we rate players we have to take everything into account, I understand that. BUT these bench riders have no in NBA history to rest their laurels on. For example we all know Dragic Isaiah and Bledsoe going to get fewer minutes. No one is rushing to drop their ratings because we know their situation has changed but it had nothing to do with their actual respective games. But these rookies can't rest on their past play because they have none or very little in the NBA. We can point to D-League stats all we want for some of them but to be honest Kevin Jones out of WVU played a bit for the Cavs a few seasons before we got LBJ back. He is the definition of a fringe player in the NBA and he averaged like 22 and 11 in the D-League and then 19 and 8 the next season with way lass minutes. All success in the D-League shows me is that that player is at the very least fringe NBA caliber. It's interesting to see that because it really shows the difference in competition levels between the NBA and D League. I'm not really advocating for D-League stats to mean anything to us at all, personally. I'm saying the team situation they are placed on matters even more than their rating. That's all I was saying.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 9, 2015 5:07:29 GMT
Yet we have had a 68 player going stud mode and a 76 player riding the bench. Players will produce differently in different situations. Who is this 68? Does he play on a team with a bunch of other low rated players? I believe the 68 (or something around there) would be Caboclo, who had some nice games in here b/c his team sucks balls. I haven't even followed him that closely, did he get traded since then? Anyway, my point is if you put him on a team that bad IRL he might do the same thing. Even if he isn't even that good, if the team sucks he will produce. Just like I've had rookies in the mid-70's sitting most of the season or barely playing. They aren't producing, because my team is solid/good and I have better players. Team situation matters even more than their OVR rating is all I was saying.
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