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Post by Alex English on Jan 18, 2015 21:55:11 GMT
 Denver Nuggets trade:78 Danny Granger - $5,000,000 - $5,550,000 - $6,160,500 76 Brandan Wright - $980,360 - $1,470,540 76 Thomas Robinson - $3,065,300 - $3,883,735 - $5,149,833 74 Kevin Seraphin - $507,336 - $1,014,672 SAC 2016 2nd round pick CHI 2016 2nd round pick DEN 2018 2nd round pick Will Barton's contract - $700,000 Jeff Taylor's contract - $490,180 Total: $10,743,176 (125% = $13,428,970)  San Antonio Spurs trade:81 Nikola Pekovic - $9,176,863 - $10,186,318 - $11,306,814 72 Brandon Rush - $3,330,000 - $3,696,300 - $4,102,893 64 Jamaal Franklin - $507,336 - $607,336 Total: $13,014,199
I accept. This is to solidify my center position. Lopez is close to being traded by the Nets and he's still just coming back from being injured almost all of last season. Pekovic is having a terrible year as well and his role seems to go to Dieng more and more everyday with how well he's playing but Pek is still an established center in the league who can serve as insurance for Lopez. I give up a couple younger and cheaper guys with a bunch of 2nd round picks. JR gets some flexibility as he can save more than $6 million for the offseason while getting some younger guys to help him build his team back up. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 18, 2015 21:58:55 GMT
Seems like a lot of junk for a decent center, a very scarce position
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Post by Alex English on Jan 18, 2015 22:04:59 GMT
Seems like a lot of junk for a decent center, a very scarce position Brandan Wright alone was a big part of the Rondo trade and was just moved again by himself for a 2015 1st round pick. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 18, 2015 22:05:54 GMT
Seems like a lot of junk for a decent center, a very scarce position Brandan Wright alone was a big part of the Rondo trade and was just moved again by himself for a 2015 1st round pick. Im just not a fan of him, to each their own though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 22:10:12 GMT
I accept
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 18, 2015 22:35:56 GMT
Seems like a lot of junk for a decent center, a very scarce position Agreed |
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Post by Alex English on Jan 18, 2015 22:49:03 GMT
Is the center position even scarce? It seems to be doing pretty well to me.
DeMarcus Cousins
Dwight Howard
Al Horford
Joakim Noah
Al Jefferson
Marc Gasol
Nikola Vucevic
Andre Drummond
Jonas Valanciunas
Greg Monroe
Brook Lopez
Robin Lopez
Marcin Gortat
Roy Hibbert
Nikola Pekovic
Omer Asik
DeAndre Jordan
Tyson CHandler
There's 18 legit centers right there and I'm sure I've forgotten a few guys. Then you have some promising younger prospects who are looking to make a place for themselves as well like Nerlens Noel, Gorgui Dieng, Alex Len, Jusuf Nurkic, Mason Plumlee and others. The center position is in a pretty good place.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 18, 2015 23:08:02 GMT
Is the center position even scarce? It seems to be doing pretty well to me. DeMarcus Cousins Dwight Howard Al Horford Joakim Noah Al Jefferson Marc Gasol Nikola Vucevic Andre Drummond Jonas Valanciunas Greg Monroe Brook Lopez Robin Lopez Marcin Gortat Roy Hibbert Nikola Pekovic Omer Asik DeAndre Jordan Tyson CHandler There's 18 legit centers right there and I'm sure I've forgotten a few guys. Then you have some promising younger prospects who are looking to make a place for themselves as well like Nerlens Noel, Gorgui Dieng, Alex Len, Jusuf Nurkic, Mason Plumlee and others. The center position is in a pretty good place. Yeah but if you're looking at all the centers, there is a lot less mid level centers than there are solid guards. This really isn't about the position scarcity argument, I'm sure theres some standard deviation algorithm to handle the argument for us. What it is about is Brand Wright for Nikola Pekovic. JR just lives in 2008, was going to trade Marion for Green, and now Granger, who is a pile of shit. It's just dumb to me how he values players, he is the most irrational GM that I know of in the league. And this is just another irrational trade. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 2:36:45 GMT
Orlando Johnson will be released...
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 19, 2015 2:48:02 GMT
There is a guy who will likely end up as a decent big off the bench, and given the player option available to Pekovic and the fact that its not like he's on his way up (he's bad OK) and likely would have declined that option anyways. This is actually a decent trade for JR. He gets 3 2nds which isn't a big deal but we all know how valuable they can be in sneaking into the ass end of the 1st and even if he doesn't do that he needs all the youth he can get.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 19, 2015 20:42:20 GMT
Can we get some reasoning JR? Seems like Pekovic is the main value here and you're losing him to Mr Former EOTY.
At least you're getting some picks though, Sam Hinkie would be proud.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 19, 2015 22:12:11 GMT
Can we get some reasoning JR? Seems like Pekovic is the main value here and you're losing him to Mr Former EOTY. At least you're getting some picks though, Sam Hinkie would be proud. For what it's worth, he wanted Lowry in a deal for peko, so I don't know how he accepts this. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 19, 2015 22:17:43 GMT
I'd love to hear some competent reasoning on this as well.
Long-term, BR-type pieces that JR gains:
Danny Granger - actually a negative with his contract.
TRob - Bust. Has some flashes but guy isn't doing anything of note in the NBA overall.
Bunch of 2nd Round Picks - Damn near worthless.
If he got BRs on Wright & Seraphin I think I would probably accept, b/c I think those are the two best players he gets. But, since he doesn't have their BR's, I'm pretty meh on this for JR's team.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 19, 2015 23:27:06 GMT
I'd love to hear some competent reasoning on this as well. Long-term, BR-type pieces that JR gains: Danny Granger - actually a negative with his contract. TRob - Bust. Has some flashes but guy isn't doing anything of note in the NBA overall. Bunch of 2nd Round Picks - Damn near worthless. If he got BRs on Wright & Seraphin I think I would probably accept, b/c I think those are the two best players he gets. But, since he doesn't have their BR's, I'm pretty meh on this for JR's team. JR actually said in the Utah Spurs rejected thread, I think it was that one, that 2nd round picks dont matter to him, so we can't really say that's why he did it. He just has a hard on for Danny Granger. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 0:39:51 GMT
Other than because its fair...
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 20, 2015 2:23:22 GMT
Other than because its fair... Your opinion of fair is skewed man. When you send half the league outrageous offers, you become that irrational GM. I'm sorry, but I disagree that this trade is fair. Maybe in your world, but not in mine. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 20, 2015 2:25:22 GMT
Other than because its fair... Like, you do realize Danny Granger blows now and it isn't 2008 anymore, and you'll be paying this guy 5 million each of the next three years right? Like, Alex unloads that contract unto you and you give him Pek. You're get fucked twice and I doubt you were even taken out to dinner. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 20, 2015 2:31:14 GMT
Other than because its fair... Like, you do realize Danny Granger blows now and it isn't 2008 anymore, and you'll be paying this guy 5 million each of the next three years right? Like, Alex unloads that contract unto you and you give him Pek. You're get fucked twice and I doubt you were even taken out to dinner. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 2:56:45 GMT
First of all when you can even get a little girl to touch your coochie, come talk to daddy. I think Indy is where they are now because they traded Granger. He is far from finished in the league. And 5MIL isnt the wirst salary in the league. But accept or reject, i have moves determining if this gets passed or not...
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 20, 2015 3:20:16 GMT
First of all when you can even get a little girl to touch your coochie, come talk to daddy. I think Indy is where they are now because they traded Granger. He is far from finished in the league. And 5MIL isnt the wirst salary in the league. But accept or reject, i have moves determining if this gets passed or not... Ok daddy, bc that's not really weird. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 20, 2015 3:48:05 GMT
Haha that was pretty weird JR.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 3:52:16 GMT
Cant tell me
3 picks
wright
Granger
Robinson
Seraphin
Are not even enough to pass
Vs
pekovic
Rush
I really dont care if it passes..just vote....
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 20, 2015 3:53:52 GMT
Cant tell me 3 picks wright Granger Robinson Seraphin Are not even enough to pass Vs pekovic Rush I really dont care if it passes..just vote.... JR, it really seems like you still don't seem to grasp the value of Bird Rights players and the much lower value of Non-BR players. Also, mediocre players on longer contracts eating up your cap space are bad (Danny Granger...and maybe TRob too). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 5:55:04 GMT
Cant tell me 3 picks wright Granger Robinson Seraphin Are not even enough to pass Vs pekovic Rush I really dont care if it passes..just vote.... JR, it really seems like you still don't seem to grasp the value of Bird Rights players and the much lower value of Non-BR players. Also, mediocre players on longer contracts eating up your cap space are bad (Danny Granger...and maybe TRob too). How about you just accept it so Peck doesn't leave by PO now just like Draymond in FA .... I want both to stay but who says they will... I understand contracts...but at the same time i do like to put players together that like to win...or try |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 5:56:20 GMT
Accept or deny guys...
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Post by Danny Longley on Jan 20, 2015 14:01:46 GMT
I'll Accept. Here's my line of thinking:
Danny Granger
<->
Brandon Rush
Jamaal Franklin
the 5m at the end hurts a bit, but it's at least cushioned by ditching Pek.
Nikola Pekovic
<->
Brandan Wright
Kevin Seraphin
2nd Rounders (3)
Considered rejecting because all previous signs say that this trade is mainly for Granger - but I don't think the 2nds are as useless as people paint them to be. But I really think Pekovic is being overvalued here. He's 29, doesn't play D and misses a lot of games.
Also not particularly concerned with the Bird Rights here since when Wright and Seraphin hit the market, the way roster looks, JR could have a shit ton of cap space with the TOs and the TV Deal.
Not the perfect trade, but JR gets a ton of stuff to flip here. Heck I'm surprised that people aren't even bringing up Alex's side - Pek could just opt out with Lopez already on the roster.
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jan 20, 2015 16:06:38 GMT
Interesting that JR would want to deal a 7 footer whos been in the league for only 5 years and has career averages of 13 & 7 and shoots over 50% from the floor and 75% from the line.
And the Pacers are not in the situation they're currently in because they traded Danny Granger. They're in the situation because Paul George is out for the year and Lance Stephenson left. Granger hasn't averaged double digit scoring since 2011-12
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Post by Alex English on Jan 20, 2015 17:28:38 GMT
Currently sitting at 1 accept and 0 rejects.
Lots of talk but still only the one vote.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 20, 2015 19:37:25 GMT
No way this should go through, just my thoughts. If he can't even distinguish that the Pacers are bad because Paul George is out for the season and not Granger being traded, then nothing else should have to be said. Garbage for a quality center with BR.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 20, 2015 21:45:01 GMT
It's difficult to accept this deal. The Spurs could get more, and should do. It's reminiscent of so many Spurs deals over the years.
Only reason I'm not rejecting is that it's not a draft pick, but it's painful to see the Nuggets further capitalising. It may be that, in the grand scheme of things, some teams are forever going to be underachievers in this league because of countless trades like this one that all add up to a depressing outlook.
I accept.
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