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Post by Ian Noble on May 27, 2012 13:55:07 GMT
I was thinking of adding this rule to the Trade Regulations thread: - Players with expiring contracts cannot be traded from March 1st onwards each regular season.
I seem to remember that GMs tend to trade away all their expiring contracts when April rolls around, or especially during the playoffs themselves, when they suddenly realise they can't re-sign their expiring players. That's not a problem in itself but the expiring players tend to end up with teams that can easily re-sign them and we end up having a less competitive Off Season. Big name free agents tend to get shipped to teams that can re-sign them and have the re-signing advantage - when they should not do. Also I think it's important to reward GMs who actually plan ahead, so putting this rule in place would penalise those GMs who only realise their situation at the last minute. *Also* in real life there's a trade deadline in mid-February that stops this from happening. Whilst I always allow GMs to keep trading until the playoffs and then only exclude playoff teams from trading (I'll add these points to the trade regulations actually), we don't have a trade deadline that stops this kind of thing. I just felt like it would be good to get some of your feedback guys, what do you think about this rule? Is March 1st too soon? Too late?
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Post by Danny Longley on May 27, 2012 15:14:27 GMT
This definitely hurts the GMS that don't plan ahead, but could hurt the GMs who are actually making moves to get expirings in order hold on to those "big-names" in the process as well.
If you really wanted to penalise those GMs, I'd say just putting a trade deadline would be a fairer solution and would give everyone an equal if not greater sense of urgency for GMs to make up a specific plan. but putting a specific lock on expirings seems iffy to me. Just my opinion.
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Post by Alex English on May 27, 2012 16:14:11 GMT
I think it's a very good rule. I remember in the old D5 some teams would make a bunch of trades for expiring players just before free agency so they would have a lot of money to try and sign a big name free agent. This hurts the gms who had been planning ahead for free agency as the number of competing teams would rise significantly.
It's also something that is impossible to do in real life because there is a rule like this in the NBA. Teams can make trades once the playoffs are over but before July 1st (such as draft day trades) so long as they are not trading expiring contracts.
March 1st could be too soon though, maybe April 1st or the first day of the playoffs? The time it takes to sim the playoffs and do the draft and sort out the logistics of the upcoming free agency takes a month or two which is pretty long time for a sim league.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 16:17:33 GMT
I feel though that the top teams of each conference that are playoff bound should not be able to trade expirings at all after April 1st. Sometimes teams try and make themselves better right before the playoffs start.
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Post by JP Inawat on May 27, 2012 18:11:38 GMT
I'm all up for a trade deadline. Keeps things real and competitive.
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on May 27, 2012 18:30:19 GMT
I 100% agree with an expiring contracts deadline of some form.
I think that a hard trade deadline, while being more fair and easier, would not be the best for the sim league in general.
A compromise could be a hard trade deadline that starts from say March 1st and extended differently for each team. As soon as your team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs you are allowed to trade anyone on your team, including expiring contracts, to other, non-playoff teams. Playoff teams would not be able to trade their expiring (or anyone else) at any point after the March 1 deadline.
This would force hard choices for playoff team GM's of win now and lose a guy in FA or play it safe for the future.
It would be a slight advantage for the non-playoff teams but those are the teams that need the most help anyway. It would allow them to still trade while the playoffs/late season are going and keep league activity up for sure. Overall, I think this would be the best for competitive balance while still addressing the problem.
Just my opinion. Maybe March 1 isn't the right date, maybe it is? Good discussion though.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on May 27, 2012 18:56:21 GMT
I think this is a good rule. Moreover, I think that teams that made the playoffs (or are close to) should not be able to deal with eliminated teams (or are close to).
If those trades are allowed, every sort of deal can go through weeks before the playoffs with the obvious arguments.
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 28, 2012 1:20:50 GMT
there isn't trade deadline?
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 28, 2012 1:21:23 GMT
i think that we should've a trade deadline by the time of the All Star Game, keep things real
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Post by Ian Noble on May 28, 2012 19:52:16 GMT
I like what the Clippers had to say on this matter. I think a combined approach would be best: March 1st Trade Deadline for all expiring players. No expiring players can be traded after March 1st.
April 1st Only teams who are eliminated from the playoffs may trade after this date.
Start of Off Season Re-Signing and Free Agency Expiring players enter Free Agency or are re-signed. All trading resumes.
What do you think guys?
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Post by Alex English on May 28, 2012 20:25:34 GMT
I like what the Clippers had to say on this matter. I think a combined approach would be best: March 1st Trade Deadline for all expiring players. No expiring players can be traded after March 1st.
April 1st Only teams who are eliminated from the playoffs may trade after this date.
Sounds good to me. Start of Off Season Re-Signing and Free AgencyAll trading stops. End of Off Season Re-Signing and Free AgencyAll trading starts again. [/blockquote] What do you think guys?[/quote] Are you talking about all trading in general here? What would be the logic to not allow trading during the offseason? The salary charts will have advanced so trading expiring contracts won't affect anything and I don't see any reason to not allow other trades at any time during the year apart from the playoffs.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 28, 2012 20:30:41 GMT
Start of Off Season Re-Signing and Free AgencyAll trading stops. End of Off Season Re-Signing and Free AgencyAll trading starts again. [/blockquote] What do you think guys?[/quote] Are you talking about all trading in general here? What would be the logic to not allow trading during the offseason? The salary charts will have advanced so trading expiring contracts won't affect anything and I don't see any reason to not allow other trades at any time during the year apart from the playoffs.[/quote] Oh good point, lol. I wasn't thinking that through was I? I'll remove it from that post to clear it up, thanks!
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on May 28, 2012 21:46:04 GMT
I like what the Clippers had to say on this matter. I think a combined approach would be best: March 1st Trade Deadline for all expiring players. No expiring players can be traded after March 1st.
April 1st Only teams who are eliminated from the playoffs may trade after this date.
Start of Off Season Re-Signing and Free Agency Expiring players enter Free Agency or are re-signed. All trading resumes.
What do you think guys? Just thinking ahead here about potential issues... What about the team that is fighting for the 8th spot and gets eliminated after April 1st? Can they trade expirings or not? Other than this specific issue, I think it is a good system that I fully back.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 29, 2012 11:48:28 GMT
What about the team that is fighting for the 8th spot and gets eliminated after April 1st? Can they trade expirings or not? Unfortunately it's just hard luck really. It's not perfect but I don't see an effective way around it.
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Post by Bobcats im in my phone on May 29, 2012 12:59:36 GMT
What about the team that is fighting for the 8th spot and gets eliminated after April 1st? Can they trade expirings or not? Unfortunately it's just hard luck really. It's not perfect but I don't see an effective way around it. Why not a trade deadline for all teams in mid february like real nba?
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Post by Ian Noble on May 29, 2012 13:14:19 GMT
Unfortunately it's just hard luck really. It's not perfect but I don't see an effective way around it. Why not a trade deadline for all teams in mid february like real nba? I did this before on the old D5 and it tends to just kill the league activity, not advisable.
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 29, 2012 21:29:04 GMT
Why not a trade deadline for all teams in mid february like real nba? I did this before on the old D5 and it tends to just kill the league activity, not advisable. i see... I think we could do something like, the teams can deal after april 1st, but the trades only get accepted if both of them aren't in the offs, if one of them end in the playoffs, then the trade is put on hold and after both teams are eliminated, they see if they want to continue with the trade
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