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Post by Walt Frazier on May 24, 2012 16:09:24 GMT
Los Angeles Lakers Trade 78 Matt Barnes $1,906,200 74 Jordan Hill $2,855,760 65 Jason Collins $1,325,181
Total: $6,087,141
Minnesota Timberwolves Trade 76 Martell Webster $5,256,000 $5,712,000 71 Malcolm Lee $500,000 $762,195 $854,389 71 Wayne Ellington $1,154,040 $2,083,042 $3,103,733
Total: $6,910,040
This trade gives me some interesting expiring contracts, especially Barnes and Hill. I'm locked into a LOT of contracts for 2-3-4 years, and I'd like to have some roster flexibility heading into next season. This gives me that, and some interesting players in Barnes and Hill who, if they don't work out, they are gone next season.
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Post by Magic Johnson on May 24, 2012 16:35:38 GMT
I accept, Collins is trash, and Matt Barnes with his bad playoff performance in real life will diminish his value and ratings considerably, Jordan Hill is the one guy I did not want to give up, because he is one of those players that is improving and will improve as time goes on.
I get 3 solid players in return a project in Malcolm Lee, a decent shooter in Wayne Ellington that can backup KB, and Martell Webster can do the same things Matt Barnes can PLUS HE IS YOUNGER then Matt Barnes.
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Post by Alex English on May 24, 2012 16:55:16 GMT
Wow, Walt is robbing the Lakers with this one.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 24, 2012 17:34:11 GMT
Not sure what your criteria is Alex. Ratings? Subject to change. Barnes won't be that good again, Hill shouldn't be going anywhere, and Collins is literally nothing.
Money? It's equal this year, if you think I get better talent, well my two guys expire, and there are no bird rights from what I remember, so I have no better chance at re-signing them than anyone else does.
Talent? Hill might be the best player in here, but he's not all that good. Malcolm Lee is an interesting youngster, Ellington shot 40% from 3 his first two seasons in the NBA, and both have solid ratings right now too, capable backups.
Magic Johnson brought something like this to me, we made it work with the salaries, and then posted. He likes getting the younger Webster who is locked in for 2 years, I like the expirings since I have so many damn 2-4 year contracts.
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 24, 2012 17:45:35 GMT
IMO Lakers is getting the better deal here...
Barnes isn't going to improve and he's not a good defender nor a great 3-pt shooter. Jordan Hill is the only valuable player in the trade for the Lakers while T-Wolves gives 3 young good players who has lots of potential.
T-Wolves is clearly doing this for expiring contracts and is giving good prospects for this, so for me it's a fair trade.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 17:55:52 GMT
I'm not trying to correct you or anything Kitty, but Barnes is a HECK of a defender.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 24, 2012 18:04:07 GMT
Fair enough Rex, but Barnes is not going to be a 78. I'd think closer to 75...he's a "do everything" kind of guy, including good defense, but 78 it just too rich for my tastes.
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Post by Alex English on May 24, 2012 18:10:19 GMT
Well Hill and Barnes are clearly the two best players in my opinion but I guess you could consider Barnes for Webster even because Webster is younger.
So that leaves Hill and Collins for Lee and Ellington and I would consider Collins, Ellington and Lee to be worth basically nothing. Ellington has shown no improvement in three years and Lee will likely do what most second round picks do and end up in Europe/D-League or as an unremarkable role player. All three of those guys are extremely easy to replace in my opinion.
Jordan Hill though could actually become something. Despite being buried on the bench of the Rockets and Lakers he has still shown some promise and he averages 13 and 10 per 36 minutes which would make him a pretty good starting power forward.
That is how I see this deal at least.
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Post by Aubrey Graham on May 24, 2012 18:15:46 GMT
I accept, we can discuss who's getting the better deal all day but at the end of the day this trade isn't going to cripple any of these franchises.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 18:42:33 GMT
Fair enough Rex, but Barnes is not going to be a 78. I'd think closer to 75...he's a "do everything" kind of guy, including good defense, but 78 it just too rich for my tastes. I'm not commenting on the trade, I was simply defending the man against what CHA said....he can defend; ask Lebron and Kobe.
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Post by Magic Johnson on May 24, 2012 18:49:05 GMT
Barnes cannot defend anymore, watch the LAL-OKC series again, he literally got destroyed by Kevin Durant to the point Mike Brown had to go to DEVIN EBANKS, DEVIN EBANKS PEOPLE.
I agree with DEN on J. Hill (he could really become special in real life), but I wasn't getting the best offers for him and I did NOT want to lose him for nothing in the offseason and overpay (using MLE) just to keep him on the offseason, I already have Bynum, Bargs, E. Davis, so J. Hill would have a tough time getting minutes here.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 25, 2012 0:48:25 GMT
Well Hill and Barnes are clearly the two best players in my opinion but I guess you could consider Barnes for Webster even because Webster is younger. So that leaves Hill and Collins for Lee and Ellington and I would consider Collins, Ellington and Lee to be worth basically nothing. Ellington has shown no improvement in three years and Lee will likely do what most second round picks do and end up in Europe/D-League or as an unremarkable role player. All three of those guys are extremely easy to replace in my opinion. Jordan Hill though could actually become something. Despite being buried on the bench of the Rockets and Lakers he has still shown some promise and he averages 13 and 10 per 36 minutes which would make him a pretty good starting power forward. That is how I see this deal at least. Hill has potential...the thing with this trade though, long-term, I get no talent at all. None of these guys are likely to be back with me next year, and if I even try to sign them, I get no advantage by having them on my team...they're just regular FA's to me, just like you or anyone else. Anyway, though of course it's my own trade, I feel like what Miami said...this isn't going to seriously damage either franchise, no one rated above 78 being traded, and the two highest ratings, I think most know they are going to drop a little.
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Post by Isiah Thomas on May 25, 2012 2:05:06 GMT
I accept
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Post by Alex English on May 25, 2012 2:42:55 GMT
Well Hill and Barnes are clearly the two best players in my opinion but I guess you could consider Barnes for Webster even because Webster is younger. So that leaves Hill and Collins for Lee and Ellington and I would consider Collins, Ellington and Lee to be worth basically nothing. Ellington has shown no improvement in three years and Lee will likely do what most second round picks do and end up in Europe/D-League or as an unremarkable role player. All three of those guys are extremely easy to replace in my opinion. Jordan Hill though could actually become something. Despite being buried on the bench of the Rockets and Lakers he has still shown some promise and he averages 13 and 10 per 36 minutes which would make him a pretty good starting power forward. That is how I see this deal at least. Hill has potential...the thing with this trade though, long-term, I get no talent at all. None of these guys are likely to be back with me next year, and if I even try to sign them, I get no advantage by having them on my team...they're just regular FA's to me, just like you or anyone else. Anyway, though of course it's my own trade, I feel like what Miami said...this isn't going to seriously damage either franchise, no one rated above 78 being traded, and the two highest ratings, I think most know they are going to drop a little. The fact that Barnes and Hill are free agents and probably won't resign is a very good point. You are picking his pocket talent wise but if one or both leave in free agency, and if Magic was thinking the same thing, then I can see how this deal makes sense.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 25, 2012 15:29:06 GMT
I THINK with only 5 CM's still, and one of them in the trade, we need just 2 votes either way to accept/reject?
If so, this is accepted, if not, get them votes in :-)
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Post by Ian Noble on May 26, 2012 9:16:59 GMT
I said in a previous trade I was concerned that the Lakers are depleting their talent pool with every trade, and I believe they're doing so with this trade also. I think Minnesota gets the better end of the deal. With that being said it's not going to stop the Lakers from contending. I accept. Trade passed.
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