Ricky Rubio

[Clyde Drexler]

Apr 6, 2014 4:52:23 GMT Walt Frazier said:

How does Rubio make more of his 3's than Jennings if jennings is the better 3pt shooter?

What you are saying literally does not compute.

Basically Myro believes that Jennings is the better shooter, but since he shoots a lot and has horrible shot selections he has the same comparable stats to Rubio who just can't make those shots.

[Mike Krzyzewski]

I absolutely hate Jennings as a player but with that being said, he has some very good individual skills. I hate the way they translate to a team (since they don't very well) but he still has those skills.

I don't like Rubio very much any more as well as he is kind of a 1 trick pony to me. Since I rated them only 1 point apart though, clearly I consider them similar players.

As you know, stats don't always tell the entire story, sometimes you have to use the eye test:)

Either way, I stick by my ratings for both Jennings and Rubio.

[Walt Frazier]

Lol Barber. So they are not both good defenders, not both great playmakers, don't both limit TO's, and don't both rebound well? Don't both get identical steal #'s? Don't have similar 3pt%'s?

You're right, I'm way off. The ability to score well alone is worth 15 points to this league. Seems a bit crazy but whatever.

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Apr 6, 2014 14:06:02 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I'm not even going to argue this it's so ridiculous. They are such different players that for you to assume they are similar just because some of their stats are close to each other is extremely short-sighted.

What other tangible way can a player be measured by?

[Jeremiah Hill]

There is a reason I rated Brandon Jennings a 76. Because even with splitting hairs I'd still much rather have Rubio on my team than Jennings.

[Walt Frazier]

Apr 6, 2014 14:06:02 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I'm not even going to argue this it's so ridiculous. They are such different players that for you to assume they are similar just because some of their stats are close to each other is extremely short-sighted.

I don't think they are similar players, but I'm looking for some evidence into how Jennings has a better or equal impact on the game. You can argue he has a worse one since he takes about twice the shots at that terrible %, when he could pass to a better shooter/scorer and help his team instead.

I think Rubio is a better playmaker and defender so I'd take Rubio in a heartbeat. Ask most people who they'd rather have on their team.

Honestly guys, I'm fine with Rubio's scoring decreasing but his passing should be elite and his defense should remain very good as well. Offensive awareness should be crazy high (court vision and such). He's making improvements each year on his shot but there is nothing I can say to suggest he's a good shooter other than his overall 3PT% is around avg.

As long as his passing is elite and his steals are elite and his defending is very good and his offensive awareness is very high I have no problem if his shot takes a hit here.

[Charles Barkley]

Maybe Jennings needs dropped down a tad, because he isn't better than Rubio as far as I am concerned.

I like Rubio and feel that some day he will blossom into a fantastic PG. He still is 22 so he will have years ahead of him as long as he doesn't blow out his knee again.

I see no problem lowering Rubio's shooting, I assume they have a 2-PT/Jumper type stat? Because he can get to the basket in a Steve Nash sort of way. I think that specifically lowering Rubio's mid range 12-17 foot jumper is smart. Remember Walt, it can always go back up when he works on it and develops it, which I believe he will.

My verdict: Lower Rubio's mid-range jumper. I'd assume this would put him a point or two less. Would rather have Rubio than Jennings, there's a lot of reasons why, but the main reason is that Rubio is a better floor general and exhibits the proper skill set that is of a true PG.

80.50

[Walt Frazier]

I think the 78 and 79 ratings are going to affect other areas of his game is probably my biggest worry, and there is nothing backing up that anything other than his shooting needs to take a hit.

[Ian Noble]

I'm going to go in for a conservative 80.

The stuff Walt's posting shouldn't be ignored. Rubio's not a bonehead player like JR Smith (or Brandon Jennings, har!), he's got his head screwed on straight.

He's soft as feather pillows, can't shoot and is poor on defense. Steve Nash is also poor on defense, Rajon Rondo also can't shoot, but they both excel as point guards and we rate them highly.

Rubio's not anywhere near as dominant as Rondo or Nash, but I think he's a dependable point guard.

[Walt Frazier]

This "poor on defense" talk is interesting. I've looked around and have seen different articles go both ways. Some say he is poor without too much explanation to be honest and others go into the different ways he is an elite help defender and his length and lateral quickness, plus willingness to play defense, make him an ok on-ball defender.

[tbftw71]

Rubio is a talented, talented point guard. And I agree with Ian that 80 is appropriate. Rubio fanboy here too. Rubio doesn't force anything. Takes the smart play every time. And is only 23. Don't forget that. He'll develop more into his body as his career progresses. Best passer I've ever seen though.

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Apr 6, 2014 20:12:28 GMT tbftw71 said:

Rubio is a talented, talented point guard. And I agree with Ian that 80 is appropriate. Rubio fanboy here too. Rubio doesn't force anything. Takes the smart play every time. And is only 23. Don't forget that. He'll develop more into his body as his career progresses. Best passer I've ever seen though.

I don't think he will ever develop a body.

[Danny Longley]

79

[Charles Barkley]

Apr 6, 2014 20:40:58 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Apr 6, 2014 20:12:28 GMT tbftw71 said:

I don't think he will ever develop a body.



Rubio is 6'4 185 and 22. CP3 is 6'0 175 and 28. Rubio may not ever have the height to weight ratios of an NFL receiver, but that's not the point. He already has the size and length that any GM would love in a PG. Give him 6 years and he will break the 200 pound barrier. The guy was raised on fish in Spain, let's give him a minute to get some red meat in his system here in the States.

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He looks like he's 6'4 155.

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After reading some of Walt's stuff, I think he should be an 80 simply because of his passing skills.

[Charles Barkley]

Every taller guy always looks "skinnier" than they actually are. I mean, if you didn't get that Texas cattle and instead only ate fish during your formative years, you'd be lighter too. I don't see Rubio developing this crazy body but I don't anticipate him staying long and lanky and below 200 till he's 30. He also now has access to the best trainers and training equipment money can buy now. I'd be interested to look at his weight gain from the time he was drafted until now.

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Rubio is one of the best +/- guys in the game. That needs to be taken into effect. Stop looking at basic stats guys. 4.9 +. How is he bad at defense again?

[Mike Krzyzewski]

Based on all the other arguments, I will raise my rating from a 78 to a 79 for Rubio.

[Walt Frazier]

Mike's new rating makes it a 79.44

Come on, any brave soul want to put in another 80? Just bump it one point if you have already voted. Or a new person who hasn't voted yet. Honestly this doesn't have as many votes as some of the other threads. Favors has 5 more votes for example.

Anyone else out there?

[Bob McAdoo]

Based on what I've read here and a quick review of PG ratings I would support a rating of 81 for Mr. Rubio. Part of what makes this process so difficult is there isn't a comprehensive list of new ratings.

[Walt Frazier]

Apr 10, 2014 4:22:37 GMT Bob McAdoo said:

Based on what I've read here and a quick review of PG ratings I would support a rating of 81 for Mr. Rubio. Part of what makes this process so difficult is there isn't a comprehensive list of new ratings.

This is the best we can do right now - dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/3712/rating-change-summary-pt-3

Has all the updated ratings at this time. I realize that doesn't have all of the other ratings in it, but those are the currently proposed new ratings for the players who have been up for discussion over the last week or so.

[Tracy McGrady]

I'll go with 79.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

80 sounds good

Rubio is like Gallinari in the Bitch category - looks like one, but isn't.

[Chris Mullin]

79

[Walt Frazier]

Billy King sparked this post, but it was in the "League Leaders" section. I'll put his quote here that sparked it and then my findings below.

May 11, 2014 5:14:59 GMT @swooshthehoop said:

May 11, 2014 5:04:40 GMT Walt Frazier said:

WTF is Emeka Okafor doing at 2nd in our league in Rebounding? Funny sim engine doesn't give enough assists either, our league leader has 8.0 assists. That's off by like 20%! Big deal IMO but it is what it is I guess.

WTF is Ricky Rubio doing averaging 17.6PPG? That's more than what Tony Parker, Isaiah Thomas, Goran Dragic, Jeff Teague, and Ty Lawson average! Funny sim engine doesn't account for the horrid FG% Rubio shoots in real life either. Big deal IMO but it is what it is I guess.

I agree actually. Rubio does only shoot 41.8% in here, shot 38.1% IRL, so that needs to come down...for some reason he shoots way better 3pt in here than RL too, he's over 40% in here, that needs to come down.

Go check the Rubio stockwatch, I never said he should be scoring this well and I never said he had a great shot or even a very good 3pt shot, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

I like that you had to go and look at my individual team's statistics b/c that's how far you like to go out of your way to harass me. Good stuff Billy.

ALSO, if you really want to go down this path...

D5 Stat - RL Stat
3.1 reb - 4.2 reb
7.7 ast - 8.6 ast
1.9 stl - 2.3 stl
.28 blk - .13 blk
41.8%FG - 38.1%FG
42.1%3pt - 33.1%3pt
82.1%FT - 80.2%FT


So, Rubio needs to have his shooting lowered in this game, no doubt. Wanna know the kicker though Billy, on all those counting stats above?

In D5, Rubio plays 37:17 mpg.
In RL, Rubio plays 32:10 mpg.

You know what that means right? His Rebounding, Assists, Steals all need raised quite a lot. He's over a rebound less, almost an entire assist less, and almost half a steal less per game in D5 than he is IRL, but he is playing MORE minutes in D5.

So again, this is why I felt Rubio should stay about where he is rating wise, and the 78 was way too low from a lot of people. His FT is close enough to not really touch it, his FG shooting needs to come down only a little, but the way to do that - his 3pt shot needs lowered a good deal, not sure why it's that high. If we lower his 3pt %, his FG% will pretty much correct itself I would think. BUT his passing/Off-Awareness need a big raise, stealing needs a big raise, Rebounds need a big raise...and then there's the whole other issue that IMO he's a solid defender, while some of you guys think he's a terrible defender...but even if we just go with what we can see, Rubio's changes should result in about a net neutral gain/loss.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention!