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Post by Alex English on May 1, 2014 3:29:42 GMT
Oh, the second 88 is supposedly Vlade Divac. But we all know that's horseshit and that he only said it because "Chris Bosh scale".
Edit: Yea just found it as you quoted it.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 1, 2014 3:31:15 GMT
Per Ian and a league vote, Vlade's votes count.
Sorry that upsets you guys? I'm just tallying votes here.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 1, 2014 3:33:43 GMT
Oh, the second 88 is supposedly Vlade Divac. But we all know that's horseshit and that he only said it because "Chris Bosh scale". Edit: Yea just found it as you quoted it. All of Vlade's other ratings counted based on the Chris Bosh scale. horseshit? Thanks man, you're a real winner. Basically saying I'm cheating, love you guys too. Bunch of dicks.
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Post by Alex English on May 1, 2014 3:40:40 GMT
All of Vlade's other ratings counted based on the Chris Bosh scale. horseshit? Thanks man, you're a real winner. Basically saying I'm cheating, love you guys too. Bunch of dicks. Vlade exaggerating his ratings to make a point =/= you are cheating That's a massive leap in logic and I don't even know how you can come to that conclusion from my post.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 1, 2014 3:41:38 GMT
Not just your post Alex, the string of posts "I don't see an 88, can you post that other 88? That 88 is horseshit" just added up. I'm sensitive to accusations of Cheating, sorry if I took it out of context but it wasn't just your post. Billy's tone is what set me off to begin with.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on May 1, 2014 3:47:14 GMT
Haha I was just surprised that someone else said 88, and was too lazy to go check.
Although like what Alex said, that's Vlade's Chris Bosh scale rating.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 1, 2014 3:57:54 GMT
I hear you guys, sorry, but my alarms were going off, mainly from Billy's post I think. Anyway, should probably discuss players in their own threads but Batum had a lot of discussion and this is where he ended up, granted just barely. And since it's already been started, I'll go on....
How many 3rd options avg 11 boards a game for an entire month, while also being able to average 5+ apg over an entire season, and have broken double digit assists a few times, can score 20+ when needed, have a nice 3pt shot and nice FT stroke, score great at the rim, AND PLAY GOOD DEFENSE?
I get where you guys are like, hmm, how does Portland have 3 85+ guys, but Batum is just a damn special player. I hope more of you realize it after watching playoffs since that's all some of you seem to do.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 5:26:32 GMT
Just to settle this, I am changing my vote to an 85. While I don't think Batum is that good on offense, he's done a STELLAR job on Harden.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 1, 2014 11:09:20 GMT
Just to settle this, I am changing my vote to an 85. While I don't think Batum is that good on offense, he's done a STELLAR job on Harden. Scores 25 and 26 but isn't good on offense. Cool. How about his stellar rebounding or passing skills, not part of the offense? Anyway I will update this later.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 1, 2014 11:12:38 GMT
Updated, you get your way Billy. Now that Baum is only up for a one point increase, he won't get one at all, which means DeRozan will now be a point better than Batum. Whatever
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 1, 2014 12:00:49 GMT
The third scoring option on any team should never be above an 81 unless you've assembled one of the greatest lineups in NBA history (see the Miami Heat) I already addressed why you are wrong about him regressing but this point in general is ignorant and too simple in my opinion. The Heat have a 99, a 90 who plays like a 95 (I believe we mainly took down his fatigue or Hardy, not his skills), and an 88. Why can there not be teams that have 89, 86, and 85 or something like that? People want Parsons up to an 83, but he's already an 81 so accordding to you he can never go higher as long as Harden and Dwight are still in Houston. Better go lower DeAndre Jordan, already have CP3 and Blake over an 81, can't have a third guy above 81. Gotta lower one of Iggy/David Lee to 81, and Klay Thompson may never go above an 81 if that team stays in tact. Nets can't have Lopez, Johnson, and Deron all above 81. Valanciunas may never go above 81 (Lowry and DeRozan). Conley,Marc Gasol, ZBo? Gotta drop someone to 81. Heck, Tyreke, JRue, Anthony Davis, Ryan Anderson? All at least an 81? Better go put up some rating changes Billy. Spurs big three? Big 4 now, all at 81 or better after Kawhi increase Rose Noah Boozer? West, George, Hibbert, one of then may never go above 81... Guess right now that is Hibbert Better lower Ibaka... Wall, Beal, Nene, Gortat, Ariza, better make sure only two are over 81. Folks, this is why we do NOT listen to Billy.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 13:10:10 GMT
Just to settle this, I am changing my vote to an 85. While I don't think Batum is that good on offense, he's done a STELLAR job on Harden. Scores 25 and 26 but isn't good on offense. Cool. How about his stellar rebounding or passing skills, not part of the offense? Anyway I will update this later. He can't create his own shot.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 1, 2014 13:46:10 GMT
I would argue that if he was better at going that he would probably be a superstar. I have seen him take plenty of defenders off the dribble though, he may not be a superstar at this point but I disagree that he can't create his own shot, he just is not amazing at it. He chooses to play within the system but can, and HAS, been a dominant player in many different areas of the game, when needed.
Doesn't matter, not trying to get you to change your rating back, I think people just aren't seeing inside the stats the way I am. Doesn't mean I am right and they are wrong but if a player can average 11 RPG for an entire month, he's afucking great rebounder and his rating should show that. If he can average 5 APG two seasons in a row, he is a damn good passer and his rating should show that. If he can actually play defense well, something that relatively few players in this league do, his rating should reflect that. He is just a special player IMO, don't see any weakness in his game other than maybe he is not an elite scoring option who creates his shot all the time, but on the flip side he knows his role in a system and doesn't mess it up like some of the less intelligent players in the league.
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Post by Shane Battier on May 4, 2014 12:21:17 GMT
Where's Afflalo?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2014 14:13:38 GMT
Updated with all the ratings I missed over the last couple months. Should be up to date now!
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Post by F5 - Pinoy Sakuragi on Jul 26, 2014 19:20:11 GMT
Do you have an exact date already for the next implementations of some of those rating changes?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 27, 2014 23:37:52 GMT
Updated with all the ratings I missed over the last couple months. Should be up to date now! Jennings name was cross out already but the rating in both league remains the same sir.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 27, 2014 23:50:34 GMT
Updated with all the ratings I missed over the last couple months. Should be up to date now! Jennings name was cross out already but the rating in both league remains the same sir. I've done the change on my end and put the #'s out there for Barber and Ian to copy/paste. Since I made this thread, I'm keeping track of my own work here I guess! That change should be in as soon as those guys copy/paste to their own spreadsheets. Ian I believe is on "Holiday" so he may not put the change in here for awhile, but F5 should have it sooner than later.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 29, 2014 14:31:28 GMT
78 Lance Stephenson - 82, 79, 81, 80, 80, 82, 81, 80, 82, 82, 81, 82, 80 = 81
77 Thaddeus Young - 78, 79, 79, 79, 80, 81, 81, 82 = 80
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 29, 2014 16:01:54 GMT
78 Lance Stephenson - 82, 79, 81, 80, 80, 82, 81, 80, 82, 82, 81, 82, 80 = 8177 Thaddeus Young - 78, 79, 79, 79, 80, 81, 81, 82 = 80Those are already up there. I did 4 last night, I don't know if they are the correct form, but they are up for discussion. If I only work, and get everything right (which is very doubtful), we will have them all done before next Monday.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 29, 2014 16:15:19 GMT
78 Lance Stephenson - 82, 79, 81, 80, 80, 82, 81, 80, 82, 82, 81, 82, 80 = 8177 Thaddeus Young - 78, 79, 79, 79, 80, 81, 81, 82 = 80Those are already up there. I did 4 last night, I don't know if they are the correct form, but they are up for discussion. If I only work, and get everything right (which is very doubtful), we will have them all done before next Monday. Ah my bad, didn't see them
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 29, 2014 16:42:45 GMT
Those are already up there. I did 4 last night, I don't know if they are the correct form, but they are up for discussion. If I only work, and get everything right (which is very doubtful), we will have them all done before next Monday. Ah my bad, didn't see them All good. Lance at an 81 is such a shame
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Aug 9, 2014 20:46:48 GMT
Love the new format for the list Walt.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Aug 10, 2014 2:06:42 GMT
Love the new format for the list Walt. Yea, it was as much for me as for everyone else, but works great for both me and all of you! Thanks man.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Aug 20, 2014 3:58:24 GMT
Another round done! I think it was 16 players with a 3-point rating change, and one player (Maxiell) with a 4-point change.
Next up, 19 players with a 2-point rating change!
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Post by Walt Frazier on Sept 26, 2014 15:56:28 GMT
Finished up the rating changes that were voted on in April (and before!)
It may feel like things are going to slow down a little, but we will also be working on incoming Rookie Ratings in addition to the other ratings that you can still see could use work.
Thanks, and keep the threads coming!
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 26, 2014 2:39:55 GMT
Interesting fact: The average player rating when the league began was 75.615 The average player rating now is 75.815 I think we've done pretty well to keep things from spiraling out of control Well done everyone!
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Post by James Kay on Dec 26, 2014 5:56:25 GMT
Interesting fact: The average player rating when the league began was 75.615 The average player rating now is 75.815 I think we've done pretty well to keep things from spiraling out of control Well done everyone! Interesting fact: The average player rating when the league began was 75.615 The average player rating now is 75.815 I think we've done pretty well to keep things from spiraling out of control Well done everyone! Well as optimistic as this sounds, and given my relative recent joining, I'd wonder what the ratio of "rookies:non-rookies" or "on their way out players:current contributors" was when the league began. Its possible as the league has gotten older we've failed to trim the rosters to the extent they probably were managed at the leagues conception. Or maybe we've just actually achieved a great level of consistency. Just from my gut feeling though, I feel as though we are trending upwards in player ratings.
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Post by Alex English on Dec 26, 2014 20:59:13 GMT
Interesting fact: The average player rating when the league began was 75.615 The average player rating now is 75.815 I think we've done pretty well to keep things from spiraling out of control Well done everyone! Interesting fact: The average player rating when the league began was 75.615 The average player rating now is 75.815 I think we've done pretty well to keep things from spiraling out of control Well done everyone! Well as optimistic as this sounds, and given my relative recent joining, I'd wonder what the ratio of "rookies:non-rookies" or "on their way out players:current contributors" was when the league began. Its possible as the league has gotten older we've failed to trim the rosters to the extent they probably were managed at the leagues conception. Or maybe we've just actually achieved a great level of consistency. Just from my gut feeling though, I feel as though we are trending upwards in player ratings. Without looking at anything I'd definitely be on your side. It feels like our ratings have skewed upwards for sure. But I broke it down a little more: I got slightly different numbers for this year but whatever. Overall you can see ratings have been very stable, not just among the whole database but also with every different skill level. We aren't getting top heavy with a bunch of filler at the bottom to bring down the average. It's just consistent, and if anything, ratings are dropping slightly. I'm actually a little surprised because I agree it doesn't feel that way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 21:11:28 GMT
Maybe we argue over the close ones but do a pretty good job on the obvious ones?
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