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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 10, 2014 15:29:21 GMT
"Trading of draft picks is allowed up to a maximum of four years in the future. First round picks may not be traded in consecutive years."
it should have exception, some teams are on a win now mode and doesn't need those damn picks.
one of the example is that i don't have my 2015 pick so i cant trade my 2014 pick and 2016 pick which is not good to me, i would really like to trade my 2014 pick to upgrade my PF position and have a greater chance of winning championships.
HOW WILL LEBRON AND WADE RE-SIGN ON MY TEAM IF MY TEAM IS MADE UP OF BUNCH OF ROOKIES WHO HASN'T PROVEN ANYTHING YET.
THAT IS WHY WE HAVE 5 TRADE COMMITTEES SO THAT THEY CAN SEE IF THE TRADE WILL BLOW UP THE FUTURE OF THE TEAM OR WILL BENEFIT THEM.
WHAT A RULE.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 15:56:19 GMT
This is the "San Antonio Rule" if you catch my drift. Honestly, I liked the one in every three year rule better but Ian implemented this rule for a reason.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 10, 2014 16:11:27 GMT
you are right Vlade, and also i think TC needs to have exception on trades for contenders and rebuilding teams.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 16:36:29 GMT
you are right Vlade, and also i think TC needs to have exception on trades for contenders and rebuilding teams. Why? The Spurs thought they would contend for a lot of years and now look at them. Just to clarify, I am not against the rule but I do like the one in three year rule better. For one thing, a team should not be able to trade a draft pick four years away.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 10, 2014 16:46:50 GMT
I'm with Vlade here. I like having some type of rule in place, but the consecutive year thing is kinda flawed.
For instance, lets say you have all your picks. You're allowed to trade away either BOTH your 2014 and 2016, or you can trade away ONLY your 2015. Doesn't really make sense.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 10, 2014 17:27:44 GMT
It's called the Sepian Rule, it's a real rule and for real reasons. Even with the Sepian Rule the real life Knicks/Nets are essentially going to be dead in the water for the next 5-6 years because of all the picks they've traded away and they will be getting nothing in return, no title and barely even a playoff run.
Definition: The NBA prohibits teams from trading first-round draft picks in successive seasons. The rule was put in place in response to Ted Stepien's disastrous run as owner and de facto general manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers.
During Stepien's reign, the Cavaliers made a practice of trading future draft picks for marginal veteran players. His most notable deal sent a 1982 first-round pick to the Los Angeles Lakers in exchange for Dan Ford and the 22nd overall pick in 1980. That 1982 pick wound up being the first overall selection, which the Lakers used to select future hall-of-famer James Worthy.
Some other notable players who were selected with picks Stepien traded away:
Sam Perkins (1984, 4th overall)
Derek Harper (1983, 11th overall)
Roy Tarpley (1986, 7th overall)
Detlef Schrempf (1985, 8th overall)
Dennis Rodman (1986, 27th overall)
Stepien sold the team to George and Gordon Gund after the 1983 season. As part of the deal, the NBA gave the Cavaliers bonus first-round draft picks in 1983 through 1986. The league also prohibited the trade of first-round picks in successive seasons, which came to be known as the Ted Stepien Rule.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 10, 2014 17:35:11 GMT
I hope that the player agents in this game don't over-value playing in a large market, because let's be honest. Carmelo Anthony was the only player in the NBA who wanted to go to the mess that is the Knicks, and that's because his wife wanted to live there. The only reason Stoudamire wanted to go there is because they were the only team dumb enough to give his broke down ass a 100 million dollar contract. He would have stayed in Phoenix if they would have given him the same contract. The rest of that roster is in shambles who's key role player of the bench was like a 40 year old rookie a few seasons ago.
No other real player wants to go there (or Brooklyn) for the minimum contract like they do in Miami. Quality vets didn't even take minimums to play with in-his-prime Kobe to title chase. Heck, even Garnett and Pierce are probably wishing they would have stayed in Boston, at least they'd be having fun.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 10, 2014 17:46:23 GMT
Your two best courses of action are to try and trade for you pick back, which isn't likely because if I'm BKN I'm trying really hard to keep you from being able to move players.
Or try like hell to resign Lance Stephenson to a reasonable contract and then use him in a package deal to move Amare Stoudamire to a rebuilding team looking to clear cap space.
Besides your picks are low value because you have LBJ, your picks aren't going to be lotto picks anyways.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2014 17:58:20 GMT
I like the rule and I think it should absolutely stay as is. It's actually a real rule as you can see from Jeremiah's posts and is good for limiting how much a team can trade away it's future. Having exceptions for win-now teams won't do anything because things change so quickly in this league. When the Spurs traded away their 2014 pick they were a contender. Also with an exception like that there would just be endless arguments about which teams qualify as win-now teams because it's a subjective measurement.
Either way you can trade away 2 or your 4 available 1st round picks. With the 2015 pick gone you can still trade your 2017 pick.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 10, 2014 17:59:30 GMT
Your two best courses of action are to try and trade for you pick back, which isn't likely because if I'm BKN I'm trying really hard to keep you from being able to move players. Or try like hell to resign Lance Stephenson to a reasonable contract and then use him in a package deal to move Amare Stoudamire to a rebuilding team looking to clear cap space. Besides your picks are low value because you have LBJ, your picks aren't going to be lotto picks anyways. Stephenson will hit big this summer. about 9 to 12 million. and also 2014 draft will be really deep, GM who wants to rebuild must get as many picks as they can.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2014 18:02:08 GMT
Your two best courses of action are to try and trade for you pick back, which isn't likely because if I'm BKN I'm trying really hard to keep you from being able to move players. Or try like hell to resign Lance Stephenson to a reasonable contract and then use him in a package deal to move Amare Stoudamire to a rebuilding team looking to clear cap space. Besides your picks are low value because you have LBJ, your picks aren't going to be lotto picks anyways. Stephenson will hit big this summer. about 9 to 12 million. and also 2014 draft will be really deep, GM who wants to rebuild must get as many picks as they can. You can always trade them away after you draft them.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 10, 2014 18:11:48 GMT
It's called the Sepian Rule, it's a real rule and for real reasons. Even with the Sepian Rule the real life Knicks/Nets are essentially going to be dead in the water for the next 5-6 years because of all the picks they've traded away and they will be getting nothing in return, no title and barely even a playoff run. Definition: The NBA prohibits teams from trading first-round draft picks in successive seasons. The rule was put in place in response to Ted Stepien's disastrous run as owner and de facto general manager of the Cleveland Cavaliers. During Stepien's reign, the Cavaliers made a practice of trading future draft picks for marginal veteran players. His most notable deal sent a 1982 first-round pick to the Los Angeles Lakers in exchange for Dan Ford and the 22nd overall pick in 1980. That 1982 pick wound up being the first overall selection, which the Lakers used to select future hall-of-famer James Worthy. Some other notable players who were selected with picks Stepien traded away: Sam Perkins (1984, 4th overall) Derek Harper (1983, 11th overall) Roy Tarpley (1986, 7th overall) Detlef Schrempf (1985, 8th overall) Dennis Rodman (1986, 27th overall) Stepien sold the team to George and Gordon Gund after the 1983 season. As part of the deal, the NBA gave the Cavaliers bonus first-round draft picks in 1983 through 1986. The league also prohibited the trade of first-round picks in successive seasons, which came to be known as the Ted Stepien Rule. the rule was implemented after all the deals i had. if i knew back then that this rule will be implemented in the future, i will definitely not trade my 2015 pick. and also, how about the following teams with consecutive picks that was traded away? brooklyn, Golden state, orlando, sacramento and san antonio? if you traded the 2014 pick, your next pick that can be traded is 2016 then 2018, 2020 and so on. but if you traded away your 2015 pick, you can just trade your 2017,2019,2021.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 10, 2014 18:22:13 GMT
i can trade them away. but what if i really need a big help on my team right now? i cant wait till summer and draft players.
i think it should go back to 3 consecutive year rule.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2014 18:27:33 GMT
the rule was implemented after all the deals i had. if i knew back then that this rule will be implemented in the future, i will definitely not trade my 2015 pick. and also, how about the following teams with consecutive picks that was traded away? brooklyn, Golden state, orlando, sacramento and san antonio? if you traded the 2014 pick, your next pick that can be traded is 2016 then 2018, 2020 and so on. but if you traded away your 2015 pick, you can just trade your 2017,2019,2021. Those teams traded away their picks before the rule was put in place. After this years draft there won't be anymore teams with consecutive picks traded away. Sorry man, but I just don't buy that you have a real problem here. You can't trade your pick for this year but so what? It will shift every year. Next year you'll have your upcoming pick traded and the 2015 and 2017 picks will be the advantageous pair over the 2016 and 2018 picks. Then the Cavs, Pacers and Clippers will have the worse pair. Every year there will be teams in the position that you and Phoenix are in right now.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 10, 2014 18:45:32 GMT
the rule was implemented after all the deals i had. if i knew back then that this rule will be implemented in the future, i will definitely not trade my 2015 pick. and also, how about the following teams with consecutive picks that was traded away? brooklyn, Golden state, orlando, sacramento and san antonio? if you traded the 2014 pick, your next pick that can be traded is 2016 then 2018, 2020 and so on. but if you traded away your 2015 pick, you can just trade your 2017,2019,2021. Those teams traded away their picks before the rule was put in place. After this years draft there won't be anymore teams with consecutive picks traded away. Sorry man, but I just don't buy that you have a real problem here. You can't trade your pick for this year but so what? It will shift every year. Next year you'll have your upcoming pick traded and the 2015 and 2017 picks will be the advantageous pair over the 2016 and 2018 picks. Then the Cavs, Pacers and Clippers will have the worse pair. Every year there will be teams in the position that you and Phoenix are in right now. my problem here is that the rule was implemented late in the season and i really wanna boost my team right now but i cant because im stuck with a 1st round pick that can't help me win a championship right now.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 10, 2014 18:55:40 GMT
please read. Of course, in spite of the Stepien rule, a team could still end up without a first-round pick on an annual basis, since the rule only applies to future first-rounders. So a team like Toronto, which traded away its 2013 first-round pick, is now free to move its 2014 first-rounder, if it so chooses. In other words, a team can give up back-to-back first-round picks if the first of those two drafts has already passed. Another quirk of draft-pick trading rules: Teams are allowed to trade away consecutive first-rounders of their own as long as they still adhere to the Stepien rule by acquiring other teams’ picks. For example, the Celtics are currently in line to receive 2014 and 2016 first-rounders from the Nets, along with a 2015 first-rounder from the Clippers. So if Danny Ainge wanted to, he could send out Boston’s own 2014, 2015, and 2016 first-round picks without any issue — he could even flip the Clippers’ 2015 pick on top of that, since it would still leave the team with the picks from the Nets in ’14 and ’16. www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/12/trading-future-draft.html
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 10, 2014 19:31:26 GMT
So try and trade for another team's likely late 2015 first rounder, you have the pieces to work a deal.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Feb 28, 2018 21:32:17 GMT
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Feb 28, 2018 21:39:41 GMT
The rule in nba is that but as long as you have a pick in 19 which mia doea its gsw he could trade 18 thats how the nba doea it
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 28, 2018 22:18:17 GMT
I don't want to change the rule.
There's specific reasons why the rule exists as it does here and is slightly different to the NBA rule, not least because the GMs wanting to trade away as many picks as possible are almost always the GMs who should keep their picks.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 28, 2018 23:11:35 GMT
I don't want to change the rule. There's specific reasons why the rule exists as it does here and is slightly different to the NBA rule, not least because the GMs wanting to trade away as many picks as possible are almost always the GMs who should keep their picks. They also are the ones who tend to quit too.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 1, 2018 1:34:22 GMT
I don't want to change the rule. There's specific reasons why the rule exists as it does here and is slightly different to the NBA rule, not least because the GMs wanting to trade away as many picks as possible are almost always the GMs who should keep their picks. They also are the ones who tend to quit too. Vlade and Billy are already out.. Me and JR are still in
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 1, 2018 3:20:24 GMT
They also are the ones who tend to quit too. Vlade and Billy are already out.. Me and JR are still in You have been the first one to do it that didn't leave in like a month.
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