Spurs and Celtics

[Ian Noble]

^{Boston Celtics}

Receive:
76 Isaiah Thomas - $884,293
70 Greg Oden - $5,500,000
72 Tyler Hansbrough - $4,255,423

Total: $10,639,716 (uses $2,824,716 of the Celtics $14,772,693 cap space).

^{San Antonio Spurs}

Receive:
80 Ray Allen - $6,750,000 - $6,950,000
69 Marquis Daniels - $1,065,000 - $1,085,000

Total: $7,815,000

I've been shopping Ray Allen for a while, I feel bad he's not going to a contender, the Warriors really pursued him and I'm sure he would've much rather ended up with Dwight, Steph and co.

The Spurs don't have any draft picks or cap flexibility until 2016, so I figured for JR this is a matter of why not pursue a bit of quality on a two year contract and see where it takes you?

Isaiah Thomas is my main target in this deal. Whether or not I'll be able to re-sign him is another matter, this may be a rental, I have a lot of cap space and I'm willing to make the gamble but it's not like I'll be contending any time soon.

I don't have a point guard and it'll be great to have an all Sacramento young backcourt with Thomas and McLemore alongside each other! I really think the new Kings ownership are making the Maloofs look like amateurs, so I'd be very happy with both these guys on my new look Celtics.

Oden and Hansbrough I'm not high on, but they're both good guys, both relatively young still, and I genuinely might renew one or both of their contracts at season's end so long as they don't mind a rebuild.

I accept.

[Deleted]

I accept. I don't expect Thomas to resign with our team after the season. Same goes for Oden and I'm far from a Hansbrough fan. I need a scorer and Ray gives us that. Our team at this point is all about just playing and rebuilding and making each game a matchup. Sometimes GMs despise one another and as of right now I will not let the owner of my pick get Wiggins. We have started the season 4-3. Maybe we have made past mistakes, but we won't let past bad decisions allow another great team to get even better. I believe that because of past decisions our rebuild will not begin until the season after next. Ray will be a starter for us until then and we look forward to being in each game and just maybe a playoff spot.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Hmm I don't really get this for San Antonio. Thomas finally has some trade value and you ship him for... a 38 year old shooting guard.

I guess tanking doesn't matter since SA doesn't own its own pick, but I still don't really get this. This is gonna give you like 6 players who can start at the wing and 0 who can start at point guard. Plus Boston has all those picks... you could have at least gotten one of them!

Anyway, I want to hear some other opinions before I make a decision. I realize Thomas' value may be deflated because he is expiring, which is the only reason this is moderately acceptable. Still, you're giving up about 8 mil in cap room AND potentially your best asset for another wing player. I'll probably accept, but I still want to hear some more thoughts.

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Feb 21, 2014 21:48:35 GMT @griz2385 said:

Sometimes GMs despise one another and as of right now I will not let the owner of my pick get Wiggins. We have started the season 4-3. Maybe we have made past mistakes, but we won't let past bad decisions allow another great team to get even better.

So basically you are making this trade to try and hurt Denver because you don't like English? That's mature.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Feb 22, 2014 1:02:05 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Feb 21, 2014 21:48:35 GMT @griz2385 said:

Sometimes GMs despise one another and as of right now I will not let the owner of my pick get Wiggins. We have started the season 4-3. Maybe we have made past mistakes, but we won't let past bad decisions allow another great team to get even better.

So basically you are making this trade to try and hurt Denver because you don't like English? That's mature.

Why do you think the real life Sacramento Kings have lost so much, they don't want to give their protected 1st pick to Cleveland?

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The point is I'm not starting Thomas, he will leave in FA and I need another scorer now. This is my team. I do have a starting PG in Barea. I don't need Thomas. My roster as is has no use for Oden or Hansbrough. A few seasons ago I admit I made a few bad choices. Even so I am active and I Never TANK. Denver has a great team and is a great GM. I'm not being immature. I'm just saying I will compete to win as many games as possible. I will not allow him a chance at Wiggins or any top 3 pick. I could understand if I was a new GM, but I have no picks for two seasons. At that time I will rebuild and I will change directions. At this point for my team this is what I want to do and it's fair. I just want to run my team and do so by staying active like I always have and compete to win each game.

[Alex English]

I think I'm going to have to vote to reject this. Isaiah Thomas is worth way more than this and the only thing that makes this even worth considering is that Thomas has an expiring contract. Ray Allen is 38 years old and is having the worst season of his career with career lows in points per game, field goal percentage, 3 point percentage and a few other categories too. He is nowhere near his 80 rating. Also Marquis Daniels isn't event in the NBA anymore while Hansborough is a very serviceable player. Isaiah Thomas is one of the few assets the Spurs have and this is giving him away for pennies on the dollar.

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Feb 22, 2014 1:04:42 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Feb 22, 2014 1:02:05 GMT Vlade Divac said:

So basically you are making this trade to try and hurt Denver because you don't like English? That's mature.

Why do you think the real life Sacramento Kings have lost so much, they don't want to give their protected 1st pick to Cleveland?

This stateent doesn't even make sense, so try again.

JR, why did you trade for Thomas in the first place then? Didn't you give up one of your picks?

[Bob McAdoo]

I like Vlade's point. I just went through the extensive discussion thread where the Spurs acquired IT3 and it was fierce.


FWIW, as a newbie to this league I can see the difficulty in being patient and sticking to a plan but I can also support any GM's desire to make changes hoping that lightning will strike.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I think this is a fair trade, but after revisiting the trade that brought IT to San Antonio, I'm going to reject.

dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/2617/new-wolves-spurs

As others have pointed out, it is just inconsistent to trade a really good 1st rounder for Thomas, claim you want him as your long-term starting PG, and then trade him for Ray Allen. The Spurs don't have enough cap to re-sign Thomas this offseason, and I would be inclined to accept this trade if it was near the deadline. I'd rather see the Spurs make room to accommodate Thomas instead of just moving him for pennies on the dollar.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Also, you say you want to win now. Thomas is going to be an 80+ once Ian puts the rating change in, whereas Allen probably deserves another decrease this season.

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Feb 22, 2014 20:16:03 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Also, you say you want to win now. Thomas is going to be an 80+ once Ian puts the rating change in, whereas Allen probably deserves another decrease this season.

Really I have no choice but to try and win every game. I'm a competitor and tanking will never be part of what I do. I can't rebuild for two seasons. I could but with the guys I have I won't get near what I would want. I know how things work in our league. There's a really good chance Thomas wouldn't stay. Really guys I don't care if the trade gets rejected. We are winning and that's what matters most to me. And as for Allen getting a decrease, I honestly feel that it shouldn't. He has been an important guy to the Heats recent championships.

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Feb 22, 2014 20:55:15 GMT @griz2385 said:

Feb 22, 2014 20:16:03 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Also, you say you want to win now. Thomas is going to be an 80+ once Ian puts the rating change in, whereas Allen probably deserves another decrease this season.

Really I have no choice but to try and win every game. I'm a competitor and tanking will never be part of what I do. I can't rebuild for two seasons. I could but with the guys I have I won't get near what I would want. I know how things work in our league. There's a really good chance Thomas wouldn't stay. Really guys I don't care if the trade gets rejected. We are winning and that's what matters most to me. And as for Allen getting a decrease, I honestly feel that it shouldn't. He has been an important guy to the Heats recent championships.

You have known that Denver will get this pick for a while now; why are you all of a sudden changing your mind on Thomas? I am with Barber 100%, you should be trying to make room for IT rather than trading him for old crap.

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Feb 22, 2014 21:45:44 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Feb 22, 2014 20:55:15 GMT @griz2385 said:

Really I have no choice but to try and win every game. I'm a competitor and tanking will never be part of what I do. I can't rebuild for two seasons. I could but with the guys I have I won't get near what I would want. I know how things work in our league. There's a really good chance Thomas wouldn't stay. Really guys I don't care if the trade gets rejected. We are winning and that's what matters most to me. And as for Allen getting a decrease, I honestly feel that it shouldn't. He has been an important guy to the Heats recent championships.

You have known that Denver will get this pick for a while now; why are you all of a sudden changing your mind on Thomas? I am with Barber 100%, you should be trying to make room for IT rather than trading him for old crap.

If it was guaranteed that he would resign with our club, I wouldn't. I'm not going to trade my players for cap room for a chance that Thomas leaves anyway.

[Bryan Colangelo]

So what does your starting lineup look like JR before and after this trade.

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Feb 22, 2014 22:39:14 GMT Bryan Colangelo said:

So what does your starting lineup look like JR before and after this trade.

As of right now my starting lineup will not change. Even if this trade would pass.

Frye
Harrington
Beasley
Miller
Barea

[Bryan Colangelo]

But wouldnt your team be better with Tomas as PG? So allen would be your 6th man?

[Walt Frazier]

JR, that team hurts my soul man. You keep trading for the older players who have very minimal value in the league. Right now you have Isaiah Thomas, Gerald Green, Arron Afflalo, Channing Frye, Tristan Thompson as your most valuable pieces.

Ray Allen is a huge downgrade in value, even with IT2 needing re-signed.

I reject based on a large value decrease to a team that is already low on value.

[Ian Noble]

rejected.