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Post by Alex English on Feb 13, 2015 22:47:56 GMT
Can we get some Dante Cunningham up in hurr? Cunningham is already in the game. He was on the Timberwolves for a year or two. He seems to have fallen through the cracks as he's not on the roster page or the free agent list. But you can see him on the Twolves roster from last year: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/board/90/2013-14-rosters |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 23:02:05 GMT
He's good. Lots of hustle and rebounding and his shot falls well on open looks.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 2, 2015 14:29:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 14:34:26 GMT
dude... players are added in the offseason... |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 3, 2015 0:26:07 GMT
dude... players are added in the offseason... he is bumping it to be added in the list. Robert Covington and Brian Roberts please. |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Mar 10, 2015 4:58:40 GMT
When is Mirotic going to be added?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 10, 2015 11:46:42 GMT
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2015 12:51:22 GMT
Nikola Mirotic shouldn't be a free agent, he should be given to the Bulls.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 10, 2015 12:54:38 GMT
Nikola Mirotic shouldn't be a free agent, he should be given to the Bulls. why? |
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2015 14:43:33 GMT
Nikola Mirotic shouldn't be a free agent, he should be given to the Bulls. why? Because he was drafted by the Bulls and we've incorporated draft rights into this league. |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Mar 10, 2015 15:02:23 GMT
Because he was drafted by the Bulls and we've incorporated draft rights into this league. Draft rights for players drafted in the league. |
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2015 15:19:39 GMT
Because he was drafted by the Bulls and we've incorporated draft rights into this league. Draft rights for players drafted in the league. Nope. The Raptors got Jonas Valanciunas who was also from the 2011 draft. Pretty sure the Blazers got Victor Claver too. We used to have a thread listing draft rights but I think it was removed when Proboards updated all the sites to the new version. I even jokingly claimed Chukwudiebere Maduabum because the option was there, even though he'll never spend one day on an NBA roster. |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Mar 10, 2015 15:25:07 GMT
Ok then.
However, don´t you lose the rights to players if they go to the nba in real life and you don´t sign them. It has been almost half season now and there has not been a word from Bulls, not even to ask about him.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2015 15:36:16 GMT
Yea you lose unclaimed second round picks after one year. Mirotic was taken in the first round though and they get signed automatically based on the salary scale. He should be given to the Bulls at whatever the rookie salary scale is for where he was taken. That's my opinion at least. Ian is the one to decide though.
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Post by Sam Bowie on Mar 10, 2015 15:37:17 GMT
Also, there is no realistic way for Bulls to sign Mirotic now. I mean they don´t have the money to offer Mirotic what he got in real life. We could let Bulls hold Mirotic rights for next off-season or we could let him sign for a typical rookie contract but in both cases he would be getting rewarded for being an inactive GM. Yea you lose unclaimed second round picks after one year. Mirotic was taken in the first round though and they get signed automatically based on the salary scale. He should be given to the Bulls at whatever the rookie salary scale is for where he was taken. That's my opinion at least. Ian is the one to decide though. Nikola Mirotic got $5,305,000 $5,543,725 $5,782,450 in real life which is not the rookie scale. I believe there is a rule for players drafted after a certain period of time. www.basketballinsiders.com/can-the-bulls-bring-over-nikola-mirotic/"This summer, two things will have changed. Most importantly, the Bulls are no longer bound by the rookie wage scale, which previously would have limited Mirotic to a starting salary of a little over $1 million per year and locked him in to team control for up to four years. After three years have passed, a team has the option of signing a draftee to whatever contract it has room for via either cap room or exceptions to the cap. Such a contract must be for at least three years, exclusive of any option years.
The second new development is that the Bulls will have access to either the $5.305 million mid-level exception or cap room, which will allow them to pay Mirotic enough to entice him to come over."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 18:31:31 GMT
wtf why isnt he in the game if he was drafted. this has really fucked me. im sorry that i assumed that a player not even in the goddamn game or on the salary database was going to be a free agent this offseason when he got added.
mirotic was going to be THE signing of the utah jazz this offseason and now i am 100% fucked. ive made trades influenced by thinking i was going to get to make him an offer he couldnt refuse.
if the bulls have the rights to him why doesnt it say so on the league salary database? that mistake has fucked me team now... i trades thaddeus young and just gave up detroits pick because i thoufht i needwd the cap spacw to sign mirotic.
i demand justice
also im in a hispital on a phone with a shattered screen i apologize for the typos
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2015 21:38:23 GMT
wtf why isnt he in the game if he was drafted. this has really fucked me. im sorry that i assumed that a player not even in the goddamn game or on the salary database was going to be a free agent this offseason when he got added. mirotic was going to be THE signing of the utah jazz this offseason and now i am 100% fucked. ive made trades influenced by thinking i was going to get to make him an offer he couldnt refuse. if the bulls have the rights to him why doesnt it say so on the league salary database? that mistake has fucked me team now... i trades thaddeus young and just gave up detroits pick because i thoufht i needwd the cap spacw to sign mirotic. i demand justice also im in a hispital on a phone with a shattered screen i apologize for the typos Forgetting about Mirotic right now, just basing your offseason on being able to sign one specific player is never a good idea. There are a lot of new GMs going into this free agency and it will be interesting to see how much everyone gets pissed off. In free agency there are 1 or 2 winners and a lot of losers. Don't assume you'll be a winner. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 10, 2015 21:57:22 GMT
wtf why isnt he in the game if he was drafted. this has really fucked me. im sorry that i assumed that a player not even in the goddamn game or on the salary database was going to be a free agent this offseason when he got added. mirotic was going to be THE signing of the utah jazz this offseason and now i am 100% fucked. ive made trades influenced by thinking i was going to get to make him an offer he couldnt refuse. if the bulls have the rights to him why doesnt it say so on the league salary database? that mistake has fucked me team now... i trades thaddeus young and just gave up detroits pick because i thoufht i needwd the cap spacw to sign mirotic. i demand justice also im in a hispital on a phone with a shattered screen i apologize for the typos Forgetting about Mirotic right now, just basing your offseason on being able to sign one specific player is never a good idea. There are a lot of new GMs going into this free agency and it will be interesting to see how much everyone gets pissed off. In free agency there are 1 or 2 winners and a lot of losers. Don't assume you'll be a winner. I briefly read through what you had said Alex, and I think I messaged Ian about this subject regarding Mirotic, because I was looking to sign him. I forget what he said, but, in my opinion, he should be a FA this off-season. I look at it like this, when the league started and you guys all picked your teams, did you get the draft picks that were owed to you because of the RL NBA teams trades? That is how I look at it. If those picks weren't given to you in real life, then why should the draft rights be given to you. Plus, the new rule states that you have to claim the player, and the previous GM of the Bulls never did so. To me, it doesn't directly effect me, and Mirotic is likely the last over seas FA that will be in this situation, and I just don't think it is right that the Bulls should automatically be given that player. I think the other cases are different because those players, like Jonas, weren't as good at the time as Mirotic is, or at least as coveted as Mirotic is. That's my 2 cents on the subject anyways. |
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2015 23:54:46 GMT
I briefly read through what you had said Alex, and I think I messaged Ian about this subject regarding Mirotic, because I was looking to sign him. I forget what he said, but, in my opinion, he should be a FA this off-season. I look at it like this, when the league started and you guys all picked your teams, did you get the draft picks that were owed to you because of the RL NBA teams trades? That is how I look at it. If those picks weren't given to you in real life, then why should the draft rights be given to you. Plus, the new rule states that you have to claim the player, and the previous GM of the Bulls never did so. To me, it doesn't directly effect me, and Mirotic is likely the last over seas FA that will be in this situation, and I just don't think it is right that the Bulls should automatically be given that player. I think the other cases are different because those players, like Jonas, weren't as good at the time as Mirotic is, or at least as coveted as Mirotic is. That's my 2 cents on the subject anyways. Yea what I'm saying is just my opinion on the situation, not an official ruling. But as for what you're saying, Valanciunas was way more coveted at the time. They're both from the 2011 draft and Jonas was taken 5th while Mirotic was taken 23rd. When we started teams didn't get draft picks owed, but they did get draft rights. If it applied to Valanciunas it should apply to Mirotic. |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Mar 11, 2015 1:08:50 GMT
If it applied to Valanciunas it should apply to Mirotic. Different situation. Bulls was able to sign Mirotic in real life because the time to offer a rookie scale contract expired. Why should he get rookie scale in here if he got MLE money in real life? Also, Like I said before Bulls could have claimed Mirotic in the off-season but they didn´t. If he is allowed to sign Mirotic during next off-season, we would be rewarding a GM for being inactive. |
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Post by Alex English on Mar 11, 2015 3:32:57 GMT
Different situation. Bulls was able to sign Mirotic in real life because the time to offer a rookie scale contract expired. Why should he get rookie scale in here if he got MLE money in real life? Also, Like I said before Bulls could have claimed Mirotic in the off-season but they didn´t. If he is allowed to sign Mirotic during next off-season, we would be rewarding a GM for being inactive. The money is irrelevant. It's about draft rights, and the Bulls held the rights. Why do you assume Shane Battier could have claimed him in the offseason? If Ian hasn't said anything official about a situation then nothing really happens. At the end of the day he's the one running the league and issues get dealt with as they come up. There isn't a huge staff of people to deal with these sorts of things. Also how would the Bulls be getting rewarded for being inactive? Even if we assume he is somehow, who cares and how is it relevant? His actions should have nothing to do with the situation. If being consistent with the rules means Mirotic goes to the Bulls, then that's what should happen. If not, then he goes to free agency. There isn't a different set of rules for active GMs. |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Mar 11, 2015 3:45:39 GMT
Different situation. Bulls was able to sign Mirotic in real life because the time to offer a rookie scale contract expired. Why should he get rookie scale in here if he got MLE money in real life? Also, Like I said before Bulls could have claimed Mirotic in the off-season but they didn´t. If he is allowed to sign Mirotic during next off-season, we would be rewarding a GM for being inactive. The money is irrelevant. It's about draft rights, and the Bulls held the rights. The way I see it money is absolutely not irrelevant because Mirotic probably would have stayed with Real Madrid if Bulls didn´t offer MLE money. Also, if Bulls GM claimed Mirotic during off-season he could have offered him the MLE like Bulls did in real life. If he gets that same chance during next off-season it would be unfair, because he would be getting a good and proven NBA player for cheap. |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Mar 11, 2015 3:48:43 GMT
If Bulls didn´t offer MLE money in real life, Mirotic probably would have been another Fran Vazquez.
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 11, 2015 20:44:08 GMT
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 27, 2015 20:46:31 GMT
Case closed.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 30, 2015 4:06:44 GMT
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Post by Alex English on Apr 30, 2015 5:14:08 GMT
Huertas is good and could have played in the NBA a long time ago. He's much better than Prigioni. It's interesting why some guys choose to play in Europe when they're more than good enough to play in the NBA and get real playing time.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 30, 2015 8:04:53 GMT
Huertas is good and could have played in the NBA a long time ago. He's much better than Prigioni. It's interesting why some guys choose to play in Europe when they're more than good enough to play in the NBA and get real playing time. Its pretty simple really. Would you rather play and live in Barcelona or Memphis or some shit? I think it has a lot to do with things like loyalty as well. I don't know if Barca was the first team Huertas has ever played with, but I think a lot of the Euro guys have a lot of loyalty to the teams that gave them their first shot. And then they got comfortable playing with them, enjoyed the weather in Spain, as well as the food, and just chilled over in Europe. They also likely started a family, and moved their family immediate family members to Spain. Making a transition from Spain to the United States would be hard on their family. I think they know they can play in the NBA, and likely make more money doing so, but I also think they have loyal ties to their teams, as well as other factors like the weather and starting their family there as well as moving their family there. And rather up root them and leave for the United States, they decided to stay in Spain. Also, I'm not sure on the schedules for the Euro guys, but I think its like soccer where they have the national league, like the Spanish league, and a champions league. The schedule in Europe may be less taxing on a player. |
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Post by Alex English on Apr 30, 2015 13:55:02 GMT
Its pretty simple really. Would you rather play and live in Barcelona or Memphis or some shit? I think it has a lot to do with things like loyalty as well. I don't know if Barca was the first team Huertas has ever played with, but I think a lot of the Euro guys have a lot of loyalty to the teams that gave them their first shot. And then they got comfortable playing with them, enjoyed the weather in Spain, as well as the food, and just chilled over in Europe. They also likely started a family, and moved their family immediate family members to Spain. Making a transition from Spain to the United States would be hard on their family. I think they know they can play in the NBA, and likely make more money doing so, but I also think they have loyal ties to their teams, as well as other factors like the weather and starting their family there as well as moving their family there. And rather up root them and leave for the United States, they decided to stay in Spain. Also, I'm not sure on the schedules for the Euro guys, but I think its like soccer where they have the national league, like the Spanish league, and a champions league. The schedule in Europe may be less taxing on a player. Yea that works for Spanish guys like Rudy Fernandez and Juan Carlos Navarro. I get wanting to play in your home country. But Huertas is Brazilian, and he didn't come up through the Barcelona system. He played for other European teams first. Commenting in general I meant lots of other guys too like Milos Teodosic and Bo McCallebb. They would definitely crack a rotation on an NBA team. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 1, 2015 3:33:27 GMT
Its pretty simple really. Would you rather play and live in Barcelona or Memphis or some shit? I think it has a lot to do with things like loyalty as well. I don't know if Barca was the first team Huertas has ever played with, but I think a lot of the Euro guys have a lot of loyalty to the teams that gave them their first shot. And then they got comfortable playing with them, enjoyed the weather in Spain, as well as the food, and just chilled over in Europe. They also likely started a family, and moved their family immediate family members to Spain. Making a transition from Spain to the United States would be hard on their family. I think they know they can play in the NBA, and likely make more money doing so, but I also think they have loyal ties to their teams, as well as other factors like the weather and starting their family there as well as moving their family there. And rather up root them and leave for the United States, they decided to stay in Spain. Also, I'm not sure on the schedules for the Euro guys, but I think its like soccer where they have the national league, like the Spanish league, and a champions league. The schedule in Europe may be less taxing on a player. Yea that works for Spanish guys like Rudy Fernandez and Juan Carlos Navarro. I get wanting to play in your home country. But Huertas is Brazilian, and he didn't come up through the Barcelona system. He played for other European teams first. Commenting in general I meant lots of other guys too like Milos Teodosic and Bo McCallebb. They would definitely crack a rotation on an NBA team. I was generalizing it. I wasn't sure where Huertas came up, but I knew he was Brazilian. And they don't even speak Spanish, so my reasoning for Euro players staying over seas probably doesn't apply in his case, but in general, I think it does. I'd think the top 3 dudes on a Euro roster, especially the Spanish league, could crack the 12 man in the NBA, but they go from being a starter to rarely seeing time, and the money is probably different. They probably wouldn't earn what they earn over seas, considering endorsements and everything. I was a big Rudy fan, didn't think he got a fair shake in Portland. |
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