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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 18, 2013 3:30:04 GMT
To Toronto Raptors
81 Kemba Walker - $2,568,360 - $3,272,091 - $4,433,683
2nd Rounder - 2014 - 76ers
Total Incoming: 2,568,360
Total Outgoing: 3,187,808
To Charlotte Bobcats
82 Serge Ibaka - $3,187,808
Total Incoming: 3,187,808
Total Outgoing: 2,568,360
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 18, 2013 3:32:00 GMT
I accept this trade, its hard for me to deal away Ibaka but i really wanted a PG who i can control for a few years. Now i will be able to go out and get a PF who can help Hibbert out next season.
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Jul 18, 2013 3:45:05 GMT
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 18, 2013 3:46:06 GMT
i wouldnt mind keeping this here for a week if anything.
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Post by James Kay on Jul 18, 2013 3:50:31 GMT
I accept.
At the end of the day, Ibaka is the better player.
They are both 23, and Ibaka has already established himself as one of the best PFs in the league.
He is on a contending team, posted career-highs in 2012-2013, and has has lead the league in blocks the past two seasons, all with a pretty high FT% for a big man.
Kemba, on the other hand, also 23, has a mediocre FG% and an even worse 3P% and is on the Bobcats, not exactly the most conducive environment for improvement.
I'm already stacked with first rounders for 2014, and two second rounders are well worth the upgrade, IMO.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jul 18, 2013 4:00:23 GMT
Definitely fair, but doesn't make sense for the Bobcats
Ibaka, while good, isn't one of the best Power Forwards in the league. He is a great defensive big with a poor offensive game, which is exactly what Nerlens Noel will bring to the table. Their front-court will be two defensive guys who will find it hard to score.
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Post by James Kay on Jul 18, 2013 4:04:52 GMT
Besides, the PG position is way deeper than the 4.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 18, 2013 4:14:45 GMT
Biyombo is a center
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Post by James Kay on Jul 18, 2013 4:17:24 GMT
I'm talking league wide not my own team obviously hahah
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 4:51:18 GMT
Dear Billy, Shut the fuck up! You are not the expert on trades and you got raped a way worse than this in your recent deal with Golden State. Mr. Kay, sorry Billy seems so intent on being rude to you; I guess you are not the n00b!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 4:58:32 GMT
Dear Billy, Shut the fuck up! You are not the expert on trades and you got raped a way worse than this in your recent deal with Golden State. Mr. Kay, sorry Billy seems so intent on being rude to you; I guess you are not the n00b! Aww, power-puff is still mad? Just goes to show the superior maturity that Vlade Divac has. The only reason I told you to shut the fuck up is you are being mean to James Kay for NO REASON! You may not like the trade, and that's fine. Honestly, I would tell him to review the free agent rules before he decides to do this deal, BUT HE PROBABLY DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THE RULES! Why don't you just back off for two seconds and let the poor guy breath. I mean, you aren't trying to run him off right? I am just happy he took the Bobcats and wants to try to do well in the league, because, as I said before, I would like this deal for him if we used real-life free agent rules. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 5:00:13 GMT
Oh, and I actually found your little Power-Puff Girl thing to be kind of funny. I guess you missed my little joke about me being Bubbles.
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Jul 18, 2013 5:15:44 GMT
Listen gents....take this convo OUT of this trade thread...if you guys wanna fuck w each other do it somewhere else and stay out of trade threads!!!
2 f'ing pages of nothing but BS!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 5:21:16 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 18, 2013 12:42:25 GMT
Leaning heavily towards rejecting. The fact that Ibaka can walk after this year, VERY easily could walk, is a biiiig negative and brings his value down. Kemba is locked in and Toronto will have bird rights (though these aren't as beneficial in this sim as real life, at all).
Also, Charlotte already has some quality big men, at least some good potential, etc, and their PG is nowhere near that well set.
I'll probably wait to vote until Ian says if we should even vote on this at all, since it's w/in Kay's first week.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 18, 2013 12:49:01 GMT
I reject.
This is why I have just introduced the 1 week rule, maybe it should be 1 month? How many other offers were fielded before the trigger was pulled on this deal? I'm guessing none?
After just drafting a Power Forward #3 in Nerlens Noel, now Charlotte are trading their franchise point guard for another Power Forward who they'll almost certainly lose after one season.
Seems like whenever a newbie signs up for a team the vultures start circling to see what spoils are on offer. Good thing we have a Trade Committee.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 18, 2013 14:56:27 GMT
I reject. This is why I have just introduced the 1 week rule, maybe it should be 1 month? How many other offers were fielded before the trigger was pulled on this deal? I'm guessing none? After just drafting a Power Forward #3 in Nerlens Noel, now Charlotte are trading their franchise point guard for another Power Forward who they'll almost certainly lose after one season. Seems like whenever a newbie signs up for a team the vultures start circling to see what spoils are on offer. Good thing we have a Trade Committee. I dont get it? so i would have to give up even more to get Kemba on my team even though at this point Ibaka is better than Kemba? The new GM just came in and i understand waiting 1 week or 1 month, but you guys would still react like this regardless of the time frame, so why bother doing the 1 week rule or 1 month rule. Might as well get it over with and state your opinion. For me this is frustrating since this deal is as even as it gets, and the reason for TC to not accept this, was 1) he's a new GM, 2) how could you trade your PG for a PF when you have Noel already on the team. The thing is, how do we know what Bobcats plan is for this off season? Every GM here has there own opinion on how to run a team and it cannot be done in a matter of 1 trade. This would be Kevin first trade here and it's not like he is getting ripped off, or losing out on anything. Yeah he's loosing a PG, but what if he has plans to trade Noel for a PG? plans to trade Robinson for a PG? he also has 2 others PG on his team who can play that position. we just do not know what his plan is. If he were to explain his plan on his team, would that even help? or is this just going to be ... this is a new gm, lets not allow this big trade to happen because it doesn't make sense at the time. When would there ever be a time for him to run his own team? I get you want to watch over the new GM's when they come in and make sure they are not trading away good players for bad players or destroying there future, but this trade was a 23 year old for a 23 year old and its still getting rejected. I'm just saying Ian, let Kevin explain what his plan is before jumping the gun and rejecting the deal. There has to be a plan that he wants accomplish before the start of the season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 15:00:57 GMT
Also, just for my knowledge, can't Noel play center?
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 18, 2013 15:03:56 GMT
Also, just for my knowledge, can't Noel play center? i dont no much about basketball prospects but isnt noel a poor man PF, since he;s very undersize. I would think center is to much for him lol. |
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Jul 18, 2013 15:12:14 GMT
I would Reject as well.
Kemba is locked in for 3 years (unless he doesn't pick up the TO's, which would be a disaster). He already had Noel, Biyombo and Robinson in the low post. Trading your star PG for another C/PF that could very well walk away after this season, IMO isn't worth the risk. He has no real quality backup PG's to speak of. Hinrich and Miller are aging vets on the decline and Douglas is far from starting quality. The free agent PG stock is far from all-star quality after the top 2 go, so a PG there isn't really going to help much.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jul 18, 2013 15:19:25 GMT
Also, just for my knowledge, can't Noel play center? If he adds a lot of weight. He's EXTREMELY thin for a Center, but that's mostly due to the lack of exercising because of his ACL injury. He has the weight of a shooting guard. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 18, 2013 15:24:14 GMT
I'm at work so can't reply in detail just yet. But... This would be Kevin first trade here and it's not like he is getting ripped off, or losing out on anything. Who the hell is Kevin? |
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 18, 2013 15:26:40 GMT
Whoops I mean James lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 15:31:55 GMT
Also, just for my knowledge, can't Noel play center? If he adds a lot of weight. He's EXTREMELY thin for a Center, but that's mostly due to the lack of exercising because of his ACL injury. He has the weight of a shooting guard. My dad thought he played on the perimeter when he first saw him!  |
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jul 18, 2013 16:15:38 GMT
He only weighs like, 206 lbs or something.
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Post by James Kay on Jul 18, 2013 19:22:18 GMT
In response to all these messages, I am not perfectly clear on the situation regarding Ibaka's contract. Does his contract make him that much less valuable than Kemba?
I was looking to move Ibaka, to be honest, I just thought it was a good value for Kemba.
IMO, league leader in blocks for 2 consecutive seasons > mediocre % shooter.
Especially when they are both 23 and one of them is on OKC and the other is on Charlotte.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jul 18, 2013 19:47:16 GMT
Check the salaries section before making deals. No sense in moving Walker if you're gonna lose Ibaka in a year.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jul 18, 2013 19:49:06 GMT
Check the salaries section before making deals. No sense in moving Walker if you're gonna lose Ibaka in a year. QFT |
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Post by James Kay on Jul 18, 2013 21:28:21 GMT
I did, doesn't Kemba have a player option that same year anyway?
But regardless, I meant to trade ibaka to a contender beforehand. Would this not be likely because of his contract?
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 18, 2013 21:29:40 GMT
In response to all these messages, I am not perfectly clear on the situation regarding Ibaka's contract. Does his contract make him that much less valuable than Kemba? You will have a tough job re-signing Ibaka, especially since you're a little overloaded at the Power Forward position. Other factors that will be against you include your expected poor W/L record for the upcoming season meaning your team will not be especially appealing to a player like Ibaka. Also, whilst one season of commitment from you to Ibaka is slightly impressive, it will not outweigh other factors when a championship calibre team makes an offer. The trade looks like you trading Kemba Walker for a one-season Ibaka loan before he jets off to a playoff team. If you're thinking of taking on Ibaka just to move him elsewhere, I recommend getting a third team in on the action who will take Ibaka before you move him. It helps to keep your team's status in mind. The Bobcats are unquestionably in a building phase, and the bricks are all there waiting in the 2014 draft, but until you have a promising league record and interesting players on your roster that can pull in free agents (like James Harden pulled in Dwight, no doubt), it's not worth gambling that you'll re-sign Ibaka, the chances are slim. |
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