JP Inawat
Former Suns GM
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Post by JP Inawat on Jun 20, 2013 15:43:29 GMT
Phoenix Suns trades: Lamar Odom (79) $8,200,000 Darius Miller (69) $500,000/$600,000/ $700,0002013 PHX 1st Round Pick Total: $8,700,000 Sacramento Kings trades: Eric Gordon (81) $5,137,617 Corey Brewer (76) $2,688,000 CHA 2015 2nd Round Pick SAC 2015 2nd Round Pick Total: $7,825,617 I accept. Good riddance to Odom, and it helps with my playoff odds this year. Oh, and I clear $600,000 cap space. That's a huge amount of money! And just to make Brooklyn happy, I get a shooting guard! Yay! ;D Sorry that he's a combo guard though. Just kidding. We're friends! ...Right? Are we? XD My starting lineup will be Camby/Smith/Butler/Gordon/Sessions backed by O'Neal/Hawes/Outlaw/Brewer/Fredette.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 20, 2013 16:06:09 GMT
Reject.
Phoenix' 1st for an expiring Eric Gordon and expiring Corey Brewer? Clearing $600,000 is nothing.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 20, 2013 16:35:28 GMT
Accept. I'm surprised Walt rejected this, I see nothing wrong with it. Phoenix has the cap space to re-sign Gordon, so if he wants to give up a mid 1st round pick in this terrible draft to get the home team advantage in free agency then I'm fine with that.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 20, 2013 16:39:20 GMT
He has the same ability before the trade to sign Gordon for next year as he does after the trade. I don't think a Player Agent should give much preference to the Suns with Gordon only playing for them for 3 regular season games or so.
Anyway, I'll think about it I guess. I don't see Phoenix as having a legitimate shot at competing in the playoffs so I think he gives up his pick for no reason.
Just my opinion. I won't be surprised if the trade passes but it doesn't make much sense to me.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 20, 2013 17:04:12 GMT
He has the same ability before the trade to sign Gordon for next year as he does after the trade. I don't think a Player Agent should give much preference to the Suns with Gordon only playing for them for 3 regular season games or so. Anyway, I'll think about it I guess. I don't see Phoenix as having a legitimate shot at competing in the playoffs so I think he gives up his pick for no reason. Just my opinion. I won't be surprised if the trade passes but it doesn't make much sense to me. Well even if he only plays 3 games I think the fact that you are trading for a player and want to keep them long term should account for something, how ever insignificant it may be. Plus looking at Gordon specifically he actually really wanted to go to the Suns last off-season but the Hornets matched the offer sheet.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 20, 2013 17:06:30 GMT
And before someone compares this trade to my trade with the Blazers...2 things.
1) Portland got 3 players rated 78, 79, and 80 while giving a 74. Phoenix gets an 81 and a 76 while giving a 79.
2) Portland has the 2nd best record in the West. Phoenix is only the 8th seed by 1 game right now. This also means, of course, that Phoenix' pick will be much better than Portland's.
Just saying, while there are some similarities (team trying for a playoff run giving up their pick), Phoenix is a worse team giving up a better pick for less help.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 20, 2013 17:10:18 GMT
He has the same ability before the trade to sign Gordon for next year as he does after the trade. I don't think a Player Agent should give much preference to the Suns with Gordon only playing for them for 3 regular season games or so. Anyway, I'll think about it I guess. I don't see Phoenix as having a legitimate shot at competing in the playoffs so I think he gives up his pick for no reason. Just my opinion. I won't be surprised if the trade passes but it doesn't make much sense to me. Well even if he only plays 3 games I think the fact that you are trading for a player and want to keep them long term should account for something, how ever insignificant it may be. Plus looking at Gordon specifically he actually really wanted to go to the Suns last off-season but the Hornets matched the offer sheet. Really depends on the Player Agent. I can see it mattering a little, they gave up a pick to get him, but generally that will only be a factor if almost everything else is pretty much even, then you side with the team that gave up a pick for him last year. Sorry to say but, what does Phoenix have going into next season? Basically Tobias Harris, Ramon Sessions, Jimmer. I don't see him as an attractive destination right now. Maybe you do, fair enough.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 20, 2013 17:12:19 GMT
And lastly (sorry for multiple posts), I think Phoenix would have a better shot signing Gordon next year if he got to add a young player in the draft rather than trading it away for a "chance to win this season"? He really doesn't have a chance IMO, so yea. Just my thoughts, good luck to PHX and SAC but just doesn't make enough sense to me.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 20, 2013 17:16:13 GMT
Sorry to say but, what does Phoenix have going into next season? Basically Tobias Harris, Ramon Sessions, Jimmer. I don't see him as an attractive destination right now. Maybe you do, fair enough. Naw, I don't really think it's that attractive a situation. I'm discussing the role of a player agent in general just as much as I'm talking about this trade.
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Glenn Robinson
Milwaukee Bucks
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 20, 2013 19:58:19 GMT
I'm leaning towards rejecting this deal mainly because I think if PHX wanted Gordon, they would probably have a pretty good shot at signing him in the off-season vs trading their pick and re-signing. What happens if PHX can't re-sign Gordon? They just lost a 1st round pick. Doesn't make sense to me. I'll let others weigh in on this trade before I make an official vote. Can JP explain a little more about the move? He could probably get into the playoffs without Gordon, and even then I don't think Gordon makes enough impact to take you on a deep push into the playoffs.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 20, 2013 20:33:52 GMT
Based on what I've seen in free agency things like "Gordon wants to play in Phoenix" only really come into play when a player agent is on the fence about where a player should go. Or it might keep the Suns in the running for Gordon a little longer than they would be otherwise. It is a positive factor, but it doesn't have the same force as it does in real life where it's quite clear Gordon is steering his career towards home.
You could see it as Phoenix acquiring one of the few players they have an edge in signing. But you could also see it as Phoenix having almost nothing to offer besides and could easily be bullied out of the process by one of the contender teams with cap space (Dallas $25m, Indiana $41m, New York $37m).
Of all the Shooting Guards available this Off Season, Eric Gordon has the highest franchise value, he's one of the primary guys that the more alluring destinations will be bidding for and I think Phoenix's chances of re-signing are slim if one of them gets in the mix.
With that in mind I'm content to allow this trade to go through, it's a weak draft and maybe he'll get lucky. Just so long as Phoenix knows the gamble he's taking.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 20, 2013 20:36:35 GMT
they would probably have a pretty good shot at signing him in the off-season vs trading their pick and re-signing. Actually I just read Glenn's analysis and I can't believe it didn't occur to me. I reject. This trade is a rather bad idea from Phoenix's POV, and it's not like they have much of trade value to fall back upon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 20:51:39 GMT
they would probably have a pretty good shot at signing him in the off-season vs trading their pick and re-signing. Actually I just read Glenn's analysis and I can't believe it didn't occur to me. I reject. This trade is a rather bad idea from Phoenix's POV, and it's not like they have much of trade value to fall back upon. There needs to be a new rule. Once votes are made no changes. Milwaukee made opinions but its not a fact he will resign. Why do you guys more and more each day try to run a gms team? It makes me sick.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 20, 2013 21:31:51 GMT
Phoenix currently has the 17th pick, I don't consider giving that up in this draft in order to 'control the rights' of Eric Gordon to be worthy rejection. It's interesting you all see it differently. I guess I'm the odd man out on this one.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 20, 2013 21:37:13 GMT
There needs to be a new rule. Once votes are made no changes. Milwaukee made opinions but its not a fact he will resign. Why do you guys more and more each day try to run a gms team? It makes me sick. This is really poorly thought out. What happens when someone rejects but the explanation of the GMs or the point of view of another TC member convinces them to change their vote to accept the deal. Would you still be in favour of this rule? I doubt it. It's just the next chapter in 'JR hates the trade committee'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 22:21:03 GMT
There needs to be a new rule. Once votes are made no changes. Milwaukee made opinions but its not a fact he will resign. Why do you guys more and more each day try to run a gms team? It makes me sick. This is really poorly thought out. What happens when someone rejects but the explanation of the GMs or the point of view of another TC member convinces them to change their vote to accept the deal. Would you still be in favour of this rule? I doubt it. It's just the next chapter in 'JR hates the trade committee'. Well then don't make a decision until you are sure. If you reject, it stays rejected. I'm not going to back off when I feel you guys truly base decisions off if the team was your. It's not. So stop deciding based on that. Phx has been here ever since this league began. Let him run his team.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 22:26:33 GMT
Phoenix currently has the 17th pick, I don't consider giving that up in this draft in order to 'control the rights' of Eric Gordon to be worthy rejection. It's interesting you all see it differently. I guess I'm the odd man out on this one. This is because you guys need a system. Based off gm status, time as gm, activity. You can add or change but there needs to be a system. Shits just not working..
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 20, 2013 23:07:56 GMT
they would probably have a pretty good shot at signing him in the off-season vs trading their pick and re-signing. Actually I just read Glenn's analysis and I can't believe it didn't occur to me. I reject. This trade is a rather bad idea from Phoenix's POV, and it's not like they have much of trade value to fall back upon. Yea I said the same thing at the end of my last post. If Gordon is going to sign with Phoenix, I think there's a better chance he signs if that draft pick is also in town, versus losing it in this trade. Also (this is directed at Alex), I am probably remembering this incorrectly, but re-signing a player in this league isn't that much of an advantage. Especially if your team is weak to start with. I can say with basically 100% conviction that Gordon will not actually re-sign in the re-signing period with Phoenix without fielding other offers. He may sign with Phoenix after fielding other offers (though honestly I don't think he will based on other teams that will probably come after him), but in that case PHX has a better chance to sign him if he has more assets on his team, not less.
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Jun 20, 2013 23:41:55 GMT
I agree with most of what's been said about trading away the draft pick for virtually 0 chance at signing Gordon. Too many better teams w too much money = Adios mi amigo Gordon!
Reject
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 23:43:19 GMT
I accept this trade and resign as GM on the Kings if this trade is rejected.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 21, 2013 0:01:40 GMT
I accept this trade and resign as GM on the Kings if this trade is rejected. Well with 4 rejects and 1 accept this trade will be rejected. So yeah...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 0:02:34 GMT
I accept this trade and resign as GM on the Kings if this trade is rejected. Well with 4 rejects and 1 accept this trade will be rejected. So yeah... Consider this my rejection then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 0:51:53 GMT
Consider this my resignation then. If you mean resignation, It'd be a shame to see you leave. Even if this trade was accepted, the best you'd be getting is a first round pick in a weak draft. You're going to leave because of a first rounder? Ha, that made me laugh at a very good time; you have no idea. I am leaving because I feel like this league, whether intentionally or unintentionally, screwed me. I knew I wanted to make a run after I drafted Lillard this year, and worked my ass off to get cap space. A team with so many rookies would be able to lure a good free agent or two right? Certainly a team with Lillard and Westbrook would be an attractive destination for someone. However, the league took a shit on all my hard work when it installed that team option rule. You can say the rule was always posted but I honestly did not, and still do not, fathom how a team option does not counts against the cap. Now, almost every team in the league possesses just as much, if not more, cap space than me while not putting in the same level of dedication as me. With another stupid rule in place that the league does not formally know about, the big market rule, I do not see how my list Kings can compete. Dwight will go back to the Knicks, Josh Smith to the Nuggets, and I will be left overpaying for someone decent. In this scenario. I would like to hold on to my money and wait for Lebron or Blake Griffin next year. However, I traded my 2014 1st, thinking I would get the elite FA on the market since I would be one of the few with cap space, and will now need to win next year. I realized all this right after Ian made it clear the team option rule was here to say, so I put a plan into work to try to fix the situation. Had this trade passed, I planned to package a shit ton of picks and give them to Philly, whom I have never traded with ever, for my 2014 1st. That way I could stand to suck for another year and maybe get Wiggins; imagine my team with Wiggins (or another good rookie)/Westbrook/Lillard/Green trying to lure Lebron to come to Sacramento. Basically, the team option rule destroyed all my hard-work and I feel like my team is between rock and a hard place. Factor in the fact that I am not a favorite of some of the player agents, and I feel like my team will be better off with another GM trying to lure free agents to Sac-town. I will say that I enjoyed my time in this league and wish each and everyone of you the best of luck.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 21, 2013 1:27:55 GMT
Really wish you would stay Vlade.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 1:38:59 GMT
Really wish you would stay Vlade. Agreed, but I would understand. Hope you stay!!!
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 21, 2013 2:16:42 GMT
The Team Option rule is stupid. #TeamVlade
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JP Inawat
Former Suns GM
Sophomore
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Aug 25, 2013 16:50:14 GMT
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Post by JP Inawat on Jun 21, 2013 4:03:17 GMT
Wew.. XD If you mean resignation, It'd be a shame to see you leave. Even if this trade was accepted, the best you'd be getting is a first round pick in a weak draft. You're going to leave because of a first rounder? Ha, that made me laugh at a very good time; you have no idea. I am leaving because I feel like this league, whether intentionally or unintentionally, screwed me. I knew I wanted to make a run after I drafted Lillard this year, and worked my ass off to get cap space. A team with so many rookies would be able to lure a good free agent or two right? Certainly a team with Lillard and Westbrook would be an attractive destination for someone. However, the league took a shit on all my hard work when it installed that team option rule. You can say the rule was always posted but I honestly did not, and still do not, fathom how a team option does not counts against the cap. Now, almost every team in the league possesses just as much, if not more, cap space than me while not putting in the same level of dedication as me. With another stupid rule in place that the league does not formally know about, the big market rule, I do not see how my list Kings can compete. Dwight will go back to the Knicks, Josh Smith to the Nuggets, and I will be left overpaying for someone decent. In this scenario. I would like to hold on to my money and wait for Lebron or Blake Griffin next year. However, I traded my 2014 1st, thinking I would get the elite FA on the market since I would be one of the few with cap space, and will now need to win next year. I realized all this right after Ian made it clear the team option rule was here to say, so I put a plan into work to try to fix the situation. Had this trade passed, I planned to package a shit ton of picks and give them to Philly, whom I have never traded with ever, for my 2014 1st. That way I could stand to suck for another year and maybe get Wiggins; imagine my team with Wiggins (or another good rookie)/Westbrook/Lillard/Green trying to lure Lebron to come to Sacramento. Basically, the team option rule destroyed all my hard-work and I feel like my team is between rock and a hard place. Factor in the fact that I am not a favorite of some of the player agents, and I feel like my team will be better off with another GM trying to lure free agents to Sac-town. I will say that I enjoyed my time in this league and wish each and everyone of you the best of luck. Agreed. But my main gripe isn't just with that one rule. It just feels so unfair that teams like mine (ours?) are given a hard time even just keeping players in free agency. I mean, I guess it's only right that players want to play with superstars, but it's like you're given absolutely zero chance to get back to relevancy when you have none. I mean, I think I did a pretty good job as GM of Phoenix, but there are just other teams that are much better. It's a rich get richer thing, and we are the 99%. lol It's a bit disheartening. I've actually been thinking of leaving the league as well as I have been very busy with real life, compounded with having a hard time building a better team, but I just really want to see it through for now. And I hope you do as well. If you really need picks, I'll still propose back to you the three second rounders I offered in place of the 1st rounder just to see if it will get accepted that way. To the TC, you guys make a good point and I understood that the 1st round pick might be overkill but yeah, I was going for the home team advantage. Something that does not seem to matter to you guys, and thus makes me think that I've already lost Smith in Free Agency. But, whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 4:50:40 GMT
Wew.. XD Ha, that made me laugh at a very good time; you have no idea. I am leaving because I feel like this league, whether intentionally or unintentionally, screwed me. I knew I wanted to make a run after I drafted Lillard this year, and worked my ass off to get cap space. A team with so many rookies would be able to lure a good free agent or two right? Certainly a team with Lillard and Westbrook would be an attractive destination for someone. However, the league took a shit on all my hard work when it installed that team option rule. You can say the rule was always posted but I honestly did not, and still do not, fathom how a team option does not counts against the cap. Now, almost every team in the league possesses just as much, if not more, cap space than me while not putting in the same level of dedication as me. With another stupid rule in place that the league does not formally know about, the big market rule, I do not see how my list Kings can compete. Dwight will go back to the Knicks, Josh Smith to the Nuggets, and I will be left overpaying for someone decent. In this scenario. I would like to hold on to my money and wait for Lebron or Blake Griffin next year. However, I traded my 2014 1st, thinking I would get the elite FA on the market since I would be one of the few with cap space, and will now need to win next year. I realized all this right after Ian made it clear the team option rule was here to say, so I put a plan into work to try to fix the situation. Had this trade passed, I planned to package a shit ton of picks and give them to Philly, whom I have never traded with ever, for my 2014 1st. That way I could stand to suck for another year and maybe get Wiggins; imagine my team with Wiggins (or another good rookie)/Westbrook/Lillard/Green trying to lure Lebron to come to Sacramento. Basically, the team option rule destroyed all my hard-work and I feel like my team is between rock and a hard place. Factor in the fact that I am not a favorite of some of the player agents, and I feel like my team will be better off with another GM trying to lure free agents to Sac-town. I will say that I enjoyed my time in this league and wish each and everyone of you the best of luck. Agreed. But my main gripe isn't just with that one rule. It just feels so unfair that teams like mine (ours?) are given a hard time even just keeping players in free agency. I mean, I guess it's only right that players want to play with superstars, but it's like you're given absolutely zero chance to get back to relevancy when you have none. I mean, I think I did a pretty good job as GM of Phoenix, but there are just other teams that are much better. It's a rich get richer thing, and we are the 99%. lol It's a bit disheartening. I've actually been thinking of leaving the league as well as I have been very busy with real life, compounded with having a hard time building a better team, but I just really want to see it through for now. And I hope you do as well. If you really need picks, I'll still propose back to you the three second rounders I offered in place of the 1st rounder just to see if it will get accepted that way. To the TC, you guys make a good point and I understood that the 1st round pick might be overkill but yeah, I was going for the home team advantage. Something that does not seem to matter to you guys, and thus makes me think that I've already lost Smith in Free Agency. But, whatever. Smith will be taking his talents and heading to the Rocky Mountains and that's a guarantee!
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 21, 2013 5:31:48 GMT
Wew.. XD Agreed. But my main gripe isn't just with that one rule. It just feels so unfair that teams like mine (ours?) are given a hard time even just keeping players in free agency. I mean, I guess it's only right that players want to play with superstars, but it's like you're given absolutely zero chance to get back to relevancy when you have none. I mean, I think I did a pretty good job as GM of Phoenix, but there are just other teams that are much better. It's a rich get richer thing, and we are the 99%. lol It's a bit disheartening. I've actually been thinking of leaving the league as well as I have been very busy with real life, compounded with having a hard time building a better team, but I just really want to see it through for now. And I hope you do as well. If you really need picks, I'll still propose back to you the three second rounders I offered in place of the 1st rounder just to see if it will get accepted that way. To the TC, you guys make a good point and I understood that the 1st round pick might be overkill but yeah, I was going for the home team advantage. Something that does not seem to matter to you guys, and thus makes me think that I've already lost Smith in Free Agency. But, whatever. Smith will be taking his talents and heading to the Rocky Mountains and that's a guarantee! He could always take the MLE I'm going to offer him to play in Orlando though... You never know for sure, Владе!
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Chris Mullin
Golden State Warriors
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jun 21, 2013 6:20:43 GMT
#FreeVlade #TeamVlade
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