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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Feb 12, 2023 20:55:17 GMT
Current rating 90 Suggested rating 87.5
Stats per game in 2022/23
PTS: 26.6
AST: 5.5
REB: 4.6
STL: 0.9
BLK: 0.4
TOV: 2.5
Shooting splits:
FG%: .473
3P%: .364
FT%: .848
TS%: .584
Advanced stats:
Only 25th in NBA in total RAPTOR 46th in WAR
27th in NBA in Estimated Plus Minus
62nd in Real Plus/Minus
Obviously still a good player, but he is not playing like a 90. Points are there, but are not translated to wins as both advanced stats and Suns record shows. I’m sure he can be back to the 90 range again if he puts up crazy playoff performance, but we should not keep the rating with old merits only.
He is pretty much behind in all categories in comparison to Dame and SGA who just got voted 89.
Edit. fixed total raptor to 25th. 46th was the WAR rating
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Post by Jared Montini on Feb 12, 2023 21:00:29 GMT
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 12, 2023 21:02:24 GMT
is this thread serious
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 12, 2023 21:09:34 GMT
they were the #1 seed with Booker btw. 20-10 record with him. 11-7 without him.
You using the Suns record as a knock against Booker when it is actually a huge compliment towards him. This thread is stupid, petty, and unethical.
This man led a team to the finals. They won 64 games last year and were the 1 seed. Comparing him to Dame and SGA who can’t even make the playoffs is just silly.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 12, 2023 21:13:26 GMT
You are also using total raptor, which is based on minutes played, and Book has obviously been injured. Literally every claim you made is misleading.
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Post by Jerry West on Feb 12, 2023 21:13:48 GMT
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Feb 12, 2023 21:23:21 GMT
You are also using total raptor, which is based on minutes played, and Book has obviously been injured. Literally every claim you made is misleading. Incorrect, it's based on average per possessions.
"RAPTOR is a plus-minus statistic that measures the number of points a player contributes to his team’s offense and defense per 100 possessions, relative to a league-average player."
Minutes are only used to filter eligibility on the leaderboards: "Players eligible for leaderboards are those who have played in at least 70 percent of their team’s games and average at least 24 minutes per game"
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Post by James Kay on Feb 12, 2023 21:26:57 GMT
I think I have to agree with Josh here... Sabonis explicitly stated that this thread was retaliatory in the Discord.
This seems very strange to post when Booker has only played 5 of the Suns previous 30 games - and then to include the Suns record as an argument for lowering him?
No change.
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Post by James Kay on Feb 12, 2023 21:29:36 GMT
You are also using total raptor, which is based on minutes played, and Book has obviously been injured. Literally every claim you made is misleading. Incorrect, it's based on average per possessions.
"RAPTOR is a plus-minus statistic that measures the number of points a player contributes to his team’s offense and defense per 100 possessions, relative to a league-average player." Minutes are only used to filter eligibility on the leaderboards: "Players eligible for leaderboards are those who have played in at least 70 percent of their team’s games and average at least 24 minutes per game"
That's NOT correct. You said he was 46th in total RAPTOR. He's actually 25th. He is 46th in WAR (wins above replacement which explicitly DOES account for playing time). |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 12, 2023 21:30:23 GMT
You are also using total raptor, which is based on minutes played, and Book has obviously been injured. Literally every claim you made is misleading. Incorrect, it's based on average per possessions.
"RAPTOR is a plus-minus statistic that measures the number of points a player contributes to his team’s offense and defense per 100 possessions, relative to a league-average player." Minutes are only used to filter eligibility on the leaderboards: "Players eligible for leaderboards are those who have played in at least 70 percent of their team’s games and average at least 24 minutes per game"
You claimed he is 45th, which he is in Weighted Average Raptor, which uses minutes played. Booker is 25th in Total Raptor, which does not factor in minutes. This is the most unethical post I’ve ever seen lol |
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Post by George Gervin on Feb 12, 2023 21:32:15 GMT
No change — dude has been hurt this year, and while I am D5’s biggest SGA backer, you can’t seriously put Shai above Booker when SGA hasn’t gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.
And I’m someone who doesn’t think highly of Booker, yet on impact to a team’s success it is hard to argue that he’s not at least a 90.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Feb 12, 2023 21:32:34 GMT
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Feb 12, 2023 21:35:09 GMT
I think I have to agree with Josh here... Sabonis explicitly stated that this thread was retaliatory in the Discord. I would have not posted this if I didn't think he needs a decrease, regardless of my thoughts on Josh.
If I specifically checked if someone in Brooklyn needs decrease due to Josh posting SW on multiple of my players, it doesn't make that less true or change Bookers stats. It makes me a petty person, which I'm okay with.
If it's retaliatory or not, doesn't matter to other people's votes.
I might have voted 0.5 rating lower than I should in my emotions, so I'll change my vote to 87.5 to be more ethical and fair.
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Feb 12, 2023 21:36:23 GMT
Incorrect, it's based on average per possessions.
"RAPTOR is a plus-minus statistic that measures the number of points a player contributes to his team’s offense and defense per 100 possessions, relative to a league-average player." Minutes are only used to filter eligibility on the leaderboards: "Players eligible for leaderboards are those who have played in at least 70 percent of their team’s games and average at least 24 minutes per game"
That's NOT correct. You said he was 46th in total RAPTOR. He's actually 25th. He is 46th in WAR (wins above replacement which explicitly DOES account for playing time). Aah,, you are right. It was sorted by WAR. 25th in raptor is still not 90 ranked player for me. I'll fix the OP |
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Feb 12, 2023 21:39:11 GMT
Incorrect, it's based on average per possessions.
"RAPTOR is a plus-minus statistic that measures the number of points a player contributes to his team’s offense and defense per 100 possessions, relative to a league-average player." Minutes are only used to filter eligibility on the leaderboards: "Players eligible for leaderboards are those who have played in at least 70 percent of their team’s games and average at least 24 minutes per game"
You claimed he is 45th, which he is in Weighted Average Raptor, which uses minutes played. Booker is 25th in Total Raptor, which does not factor in minutes. This is the most unethical post I’ve ever seen lol Mistake by looking at wrong column. Fixed in the original post. Thanks for pointing out |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 12, 2023 21:41:46 GMT
I think I have to agree with Josh here... Sabonis explicitly stated that this thread was retaliatory in the Discord. I would have not posted this if I didn't think he needs a decrease, regardless of my thoughts on Josh.
If I specifically checked if someone in Brooklyn needs decrease due to Josh posting SW on multiple of my players, it doesn't make that less true or change Bookers stats. It makes me a petty person, which I'm okay with.
If it's retaliatory or not, doesn't matter to other people's votes. I might have voted 0.5 rating lower than I should in my emotions, so I'll change my vote to 87.5 to be more ethical and fair.
Don’t backtrack now. You said what you said. For the sanctity of the league, the stockwatch section CANNOT function like this. This is exactly why the only GMs ever posting decreases are me and Jared. |
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Feb 12, 2023 21:51:17 GMT
This is exactly why the only GMs ever posting decreases are me and Jared. Which can be fine as long as you post lowering threads also for your own players, which obviously never happens. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 12, 2023 21:56:44 GMT
This is exactly why the only GMs ever posting decreases are me and Jared. Which can be fine as long as you post lowering threads also for your own players, which obviously never happens. This is also false. I posted Ben McLemore earlier this season. And FWIW 7 players on my team have new stockwatched down this year (i did trade for some of those players). I’m sure Poeltl will be #8 at some point. I would guess that’s the most out of any team in the league. |
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Post by James Kay on Feb 12, 2023 22:05:52 GMT
Which can be fine as long as you post lowering threads also for your own players, which obviously never happens. And FWIW 7 players on my team have new stockwatched down this year (i did trade for some of those players). I’m sure Poeltl will be #8 at some point. I would guess that’s the most out of any team in the league. Kindly name these players if you are going to paint yourself so strongly as the victim. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 12, 2023 22:10:46 GMT
There’s no way Booker dips below a 90. This thread is ridiculous. I don’t know what happened in the discord, but come on.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 12, 2023 23:04:59 GMT
And FWIW 7 players on my team have new stockwatched down this year (i did trade for some of those players). I’m sure Poeltl will be #8 at some point. I would guess that’s the most out of any team in the league. Kindly name these players if you are going to paint yourself so strongly as the victim. Not saying I’m a victim, everything was ethical other than this Booker thread (and the Jokic rework). Just making the point that my team isn’t immune to decreases like Sabonis was claiming. Current Roster (7 players who have been decreases this year): PG13 Booker John Wall Pat Beverly Avery Bradley DFS Delon Wright Released Players: Ben McLemore Gorgui Dieng Weird Rework that felt like a Decrease: Nikola Jokic |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 13, 2023 2:41:42 GMT
I agree with AS.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 13, 2023 12:38:42 GMT
I think he was too high before. I'm not entirely sure, in a vacuum, he should have a thread up just yet, but I don't feel like he does quite enough currently to justify the 90.
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Post by Jared Montini on Feb 13, 2023 12:50:58 GMT
Kindly name these players if you are going to paint yourself so strongly as the victim. Not saying I’m a victim, everything was ethical other than this Booker thread (and the Jokic rework). Just making the point that my team isn’t immune to decreases like Sabonis was claiming. Current Roster (7 players who have been decreases this year): PG13 Booker John Wall Pat Beverly Avery Bradley DFS Delon Wright Released Players: Ben McLemore Gorgui Dieng Weird Rework that felt like a Decrease: Nikola Jokic Avery Bradley was signed and attempted to be cut immediately by you. You also posted the Bradley SW. Delon weight again, was a thread posted by you before you even signed him lol. Paul George,John Wall, and Beverley were traded for after you knew what they’d be rated in SWs. I don’t think you can count those as being done against you lol. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 13, 2023 13:00:22 GMT
Not saying I’m a victim, everything was ethical other than this Booker thread (and the Jokic rework). Just making the point that my team isn’t immune to decreases like Sabonis was claiming. Current Roster (7 players who have been decreases this year): PG13 Booker John Wall Pat Beverly Avery Bradley DFS Delon Wright Released Players: Ben McLemore Gorgui Dieng Weird Rework that felt like a Decrease: Nikola Jokic Avery Bradley was signed and attempted to be cut immediately by you. You also posted the Bradley SW. Delon weight again, was a thread posted by you before you even signed him lol. Paul George,John Wall, and Beverley were traded for after you knew what they’d be rated in SWs. I don’t think you can count those as being done against you lol. So we are in agreement then? lol I’m confused by this post. I specifically said I traded for some of the players, and also said they were all ethical except for Booker and Jokic. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 13, 2023 13:41:17 GMT
Ian NobleHow much did you pay AS and JB to start this back and fort to increase the activity in D5 proboards?
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 13, 2023 14:35:43 GMT
Ian NobleHow much did you pay AS and JB to start this back and fort to increase the activity in D5 proboards? All I'm wondering is how Jaylen Brown is an " 87 re-work" when Booker is a 92  Booker | vs | Jaylen 26.6 | PPG | 26.9 4.6 | RPG | 7.1 5.5 | APG | 3.2 .473 | FG% | .500 .364 | 3PT | .330 .848 | FT% | .790 Look, personal bias will always be a factor here in the Stockwatch, that's why Walt automatically excludes the highest and lowest ratings we give. Luckily the same system also protects us from revenge threads and Josh and Jared and whoever can keep posting decreases when they're needed. 87 Re-work Booker  I'm joking of course. Just like Jaylen, Devin is able to be one of the top two reasons why a team is in the Finals and at the top of the regular season standings, both of them would've won Finals MVP if their team had won their Finals two years running. I dont know about RAPTOR and WAR because I don't pay attention to them much. 90 no change |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 13, 2023 17:44:56 GMT
89
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Feb 13, 2023 19:41:13 GMT
88.5
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Post by Steve Nash on Feb 13, 2023 21:09:14 GMT
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