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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Feb 8, 2013 1:09:29 GMT
Current rating: 79
Suggested rating: 83-84
Stats as of 2/7/13
PPG: 17.6
RPG: 4.2
APG: 2.3
SPG: 1
TPG: 1.69
FG%: .435
FT%: .832
3P%: .278
DeRozan is the starting SG for the Toronto Raptors. He's still young (23yrs old) and has a ton of potential. He's currently 22 in scoring behind Paul George and Rudy Gay in the 17PPG range and 13th among Guards only. He's also 13th among Guards in rebounding. His 3pt shooting percent is low because basically he doesn't take that many 3pt'rs (22-79 in 49 games). The rest of his stats reflect his singular role as a SG only.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 8, 2013 4:09:55 GMT
You've gotta be kidding me. You have him the same or better than Paul George and Nicolas Batum, huh? Similar points, less boards, less assists, less steals, way less blocks. Sure, less TO's but that's about it. DeRozan's FT% is nice, Batum has been better most of the year...DERozan's 3% is very poor. His FG% is also poor.
If George and Batum only warranted an 83 each, DeRozan should be an 80 TOPS, probably fine just staying at 79.
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Feb 8, 2013 6:30:09 GMT
DeRozan
PPG: 17.6
RPG: 4.2
APG: 2.3
SPG: 1
TPG: 1.69
FG%: .435
FT%: .832
3P%: .278
George
PPG: 17.6
RPG: 7.6
APG: 3.9
SPG: 1.8
TPG: 2.86
FG%: .425
FT%: .813
3P%: .387
Batum
PPG: 15.6
RPG: 6.1
APG: 4.9
SPG: 1.4
TPG: 2.90
FG%: .426
FT%: .851
3P%: .358
Really?!?! Is DeRozan that much worse than these 2?? He a SG ONLY not a G/F like BOTH the other players who get PT at 2 positions. NO WAY on earth should Batum be rated over an 80. George IMO should be at least an 84/85.
His 3pt % is low, again, because he doesn't shoot the 3.
DeRozan 79 attempts in 49 games.
George 279 attempts in 49 games.
Batum 307 attempts in 48 games.
IMO if a player knows they aren't good a particular aspect of their game, they stay away from it, i.e. 3's for DeRozan and don't try to get better at it during a game. That's what the off season is there for. We talkin' 'bout pratice!
I'm in no way saying he's = to George or Batum, but he also isn't a scrub like ur making him out to be either and him being rated at 79 is pitiful, same w George. He's better the 99% of the players rated 79 in the league now.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 8, 2013 14:02:50 GMT
#1 - You are VERY conveniently ignoring blocks. DeRozan gets .3 a game, George gets over twice as many at .7 a game and Batum gets 1.1 (almost 4 times as many)
#2 - George and Batum are better in rebounds (George by a lot)
#3 - Batum and George are better in Assists (...George has almost twice as many, Batum tacks on another 1 per game to that)
#4 - George and Batum are better in Steals (George by almost twice as much)
#5 - Batum is a career 45.2% shooter, and if you take out the one month where he was hurt a bit and played through it, he's at about 43% this year, playing with a bum wrist at the moment as well. George is just "as good/bad" as DeRozan...none of those guys really deserve to be significantly rated ahead of one another, though Batum's career says he's a little better than either.
#6 - FT% favors Batum out of this group, by a lot (career #'s anyway). George is only slightly behind DeRozan here, and Batum is ahead.
#7 - 3pt%...I understand DeMar isn't shooting a ton of them, and that helps his team and it's a smart play, but, individually (what we're looking at for his rating)...he's not good at it. George and Batum both take more and make a lot more at a better %, so DeRozan is waaaaay behind there as well.
Also, I'm talking about how Batum and George look like they're both getting boosts to an 83. You suggesting DeRozan needs an 83-84 is out of control IMO.
We're talking 5 areas (Rebounds, Assists, Steals, Blocks, 3's) where both Batum and George are significantly better (nearly twice as many in almost all of those areas...some areas even more than that).
We've got FG% where maybe DeRozan is slightly better than George, and even pessimistically (considering career #'s) Batum is as good as DeMar (career #'s say he's better).
We've got FT% where DeRozan is very slightly better than George, and Batum has been and is continuing to be significantly better than both.
DeRozan gets more points, but when he does it at basically the same FG%, less 3pt%, and less/similar FT% to these guys, it's just because of usage (I.E. playing on a worse team)
Add all that up, I see at least a 4 point gap in overall rating...and that's probably too small to be honest.
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Feb 8, 2013 14:36:37 GMT
Hehe BTW I wasn't "very conveniently" fogetting blocks. I simply provided stats that a SG would rate the highest in for their position. IMO Blocks come into play for C/F positions as a significant factor in boosting. Also, as I stated, Batum and George play 2 positions whereas DeRozan plays only one. That gives the other 2 more opportunities to improve their stat line over my guy.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 8, 2013 14:40:18 GMT
Ok...but we are talking about a player's rating and the individual categories that make up that rating. I don't see how DeRozan really sniffs these other two, and they only came out at an 83 according to the league, so, 79 for DeRozan sounds right to me.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Feb 8, 2013 22:35:35 GMT
Really?!?! Is DeRozan that much worse than these 2?? He a SG ONLY not a G/F like BOTH the other players who get PT at 2 positions. I thought DeRozan was a G/F? Didn't he get to start the year playing some 3 and then eventually moved him back to the 2 full time, which imo makes much more sense, especially now that they have Gay. |
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Feb 8, 2013 23:33:20 GMT
Really?!?! Is DeRozan that much worse than these 2?? He a SG ONLY not a G/F like BOTH the other players who get PT at 2 positions. I thought DeRozan was a G/F? Didn't he get to start the year playing some 3 and then eventually moved him back to the 2 full time, which imo makes much more sense, especially now that they have Gay. Not sure about that...I know a few basketball sites have him listed as SG only. |
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Post by Alex English on Feb 9, 2013 0:02:12 GMT
According to 82games:DeRozan has played 56% of the Raptors minutes at SG (26.9 minutes per game) DeRozan has played 18% of the Raptors minutes at SF (8.6 minutes per game) DeRozan MPG: 36.9 -> 8.6/36.9=23.3% So almost one quarter of the time he is playing it's at the SF position. That seems about right. I've seen almost every Raptors game and he does get a fair amount of play at the three.
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Post by Otis Smith on Feb 9, 2013 5:01:54 GMT
As a raptors fan I have to say you are being very, very generous with Derozan. At best maybe a 80 but that's it. He is a guy who doesn't shoot well, doesn't defend, and is a high usage guy who shoots at inefficient rate. Nor is he a great passer, rebounder, or averages a high number of steals. He gets a lot of his points through a lot of touches and a lot minutes. Yes he is supremely athletic and a hard worker but he just isn't talented in terms of footwork and other basketball skills.
He is what he is at this point and a 80 is completely fair.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 14, 2013 21:24:37 GMT
I feel Derozan could squeak into an 80 rating, just because he's proven he's a bit special, but since that seems to be the consensus outside of his own GM's opinion it's unlikely his rating change will take a high priority on my (slowly moving) list of players.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 18, 2013 16:23:13 GMT
So I guess he maybe gets an 80? I know this'll be low on priority as Ian said, since it's a 1 point boost, but yea, just wanted to keep it current.
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