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Post by Alex English on Jan 9, 2013 5:32:47 GMT
Miami Heat:
Sends:
88 Chris Bosh - $17,545,000 - $19,067,500 - $20,590,000 - $22,112,500
74 Brendan Haywood - $8,349,000 - $9,073,500 - $9,798,000 - $10,522,500
Receives:
87 Amar'e Stoudemire - $19,948,799 - $21,679,893 - $23,410,988
73 Bill Walker - $1,500,000
64 Lance Stephenson - $915,243 - $981,349
Dahntay Jones' contract - $2,900,000
Matt Carroll's contract - $3,500,000
IND 2013 1st round pick
DEN 2013 1st round pick
Total out: $25,894,000
Total in: $28,764,042
Indiana Pacers:
Sends:
87 Amar'e Stoudemire - $19,948,799 - $21,679,893 - $23,410,988
73 Bill Walker - $1,500,000
IND 2013 1st round pick
Receives:
84 Al Jefferson - $15,000,000
70 Johan Petro - $3,500,000
Total out: $21,448,799
Total in: $18,500,000
Denver Nuggets:
Sends:
84 Al Jefferson - $15,000,000
70 Johan Petro - $3,500,000
64 Lance Stephenson - $915,243 - $981,349
Dahntay Jones' contract - $2,900,000
Matt Carroll's contract - $3,500,000
DEN 2013 1st round pick
Receives:
88 Chris Bosh - $17,545,000 - $19,067,500 - $20,590,000 - $22,112,500
74 Brendan Haywood - $8,349,000 - $9,073,500 - $9,798,000 - $10,522,500
Total out: $25,815,243
Total in: $25,894,000
I accept. I think this trade almost makes my team a contender. Bosh is in a nice comfy situation as the 3rd option on the Heat. I think he can sleepwalk his way through his 18 and 8 per game that he'll get for the next half decade. He'll never be rated higher than 88 since his stats are hurt by having James and Wade on his team but he is locked up for a long time and I think him and Harden make a good one two punch. I'm really not happy about taking on Haywood and his massive contract but I got confirmation that I do have Harden's bird rights so I'm ok with it.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jan 9, 2013 7:26:37 GMT
i accept.
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Post by Larry Bird on Jan 9, 2013 14:28:01 GMT
I accept.
I trade Amare, Walker, and a 1st to get AlJeff and a big expiring contract in Petro.
It was hard finding a capable replacement for Amare, but I think Al Jefferson and his offensive game can do that. If not, then he is a huge expirer that I can trade. I believe this trade makes me a better team going forward.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jan 9, 2013 14:42:33 GMT
There are no ins and outs for each team.
For what i can see, the deal doesn´t look so pretty for Heat. The 1sts might be good but if they are trying to win now this trade won’t help. Amare is a very big if and so far this season in real life he has been average at best. Bosh on the other hand has been pretty good.
I understand that Heat is desperate to trade Haywood but he shouldn´t be. Based on the rules, the fact is Haywood doesn´t make a difference salary wise and I will explain why.
Lebron, Bosh and Wade expire with Haywood. In that last season, Lebron, Bosh and Wade will cost $66M which is more than the $58 cap limit and that means Heat won’t have cap space but they will still have the MLE. If there was a hard cap, it would make sense to trade Haywood but since there is none it doesn´t make sense. Also, Haywood is a decent center which is something hard to find.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jan 9, 2013 15:08:59 GMT
Ruben is right. This trade isn't very good for the Heat. I'll have to think about it some more. I love the trade for Denver the most and Indiana is not far behind. Those 1st round picks are likely to be pretty far down on the draft board, so that's another issue. I'm not so sure I would trade Bosh for an injury prone aging Stoudemire and a couple of late 1sts.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jan 9, 2013 15:23:13 GMT
I don´t like the trade for Nuggets either but that part is ok.
expiring Jefferson + some expiring contracts + Den 2013 1st for $120M over 4 years for Bosh and Haywood doesn´t sound amazing.
I only like the deal for Indiana.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jan 9, 2013 15:24:51 GMT
Yea but when you consider he could have a potential lineup of:
PG. Dragic
SG. Harden
SF. George
PF. Hill
C . Bosh
That looks pretty legit to me. I'll think about it some more today and hopefully have a decision later tonight.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 9, 2013 16:23:08 GMT
I'm not going to vote just yet either, but I share some similar concerns to Glenn and Ruben. I will say, however, that it is FAR too early to judge Amar'e based on this season alone. He's just working back from this injury still and getting into game shape, and each game he has looked a little bit better (I've watched each game).
Also, I know it's a bit of a pain, but in the future these should really be posted in a way that makes it super clear which team trades what w/o us having to go research it.
So,
Heat Trades:
blah blah blah
Heat Receives:
blah blah blah
Total Salary In:
Total Salary Out:
Repeat for the other two teams.
Really, would be nice if this trade was modified to show it in that way...although Ruben and Glenn have broken it down a bit already.
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Post by Alex English on Jan 9, 2013 16:33:00 GMT
I don´t like the trade for Nuggets either but that part is ok. expiring Jefferson + some expiring contracts + Den 2013 1st for $120M over 4 years for Bosh and Haywood doesn´t sound amazing. I only like the deal for Indiana. This. I think the fact that I'm taking Haywood can't be ignored. I'm basically killing any financial flexibility in the future and Miami is dumping a poisonous contract. I think it's worth it, becoming a contender has to come at a price one way or another, but I definitely don't think I'm getting one over on these guys. |
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Post by Larry Bird on Jan 9, 2013 16:36:54 GMT
To the Miami Heat:
87 Amar'e Stoudemire - $19,948,799 - $21,679,893 - $23,410,988
73 Bill Walker - $1,500,000
64 Lance Stephenson - $915,243 - $981,349
Dahntay Jones' contract - $2,900,000
Matt Carroll's contract - $3,500,000
IND 2013 1st round pick
DEN 2013 1st round pick
Miami Heat Send:
88 Chris Bosh - $17,545,000 - $19,067,500 - $20,590,000 - $22,112,500
74 Brendan Haywood - $8,349,000 - $9,073,500 - $9,798,000 - $10,522,500
Total out: $25,894,000
Total in: $28,764,042
To the Indiana Pacers:
84 Al Jefferson - $15,000,000
70 Johan Petro - $3,500,000
Indiana Pacers Send:
87 Amar'e Stoudemire - $19,948,799 - $21,679,893 - $23,410,988
73 Bill Walker - $1,500,000
IND 2013 1st round pick
Total out: $21,448,799
Total in: $18,500,000
To the Denver Nuggets:
88 Chris Bosh - $17,545,000 - $19,067,500 - $20,590,000 - $22,112,500
74 Brendan Haywood - $8,349,000 - $9,073,500 - $9,798,000 - $10,522,500
Denver Nuggets Send:
84 Al Jefferson - $15,000,000
70 Johan Petro - $3,500,000
64 Lance Stephenson - $915,243 - $981,349
Dahntay Jones' contract - $2,900,000
Matt Carroll's contract - $3,500,000
DEN 2013 1st round pick
Total out: $25,815,243
Total in: $25,894,000
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Post by Alex English on Jan 9, 2013 16:37:28 GMT
I'm not going to vote just yet either, but I share some similar concerns to Glenn and Ruben. I will say, however, that it is FAR too early to judge Amar'e based on this season alone. He's just working back from this injury still and getting into game shape, and each game he has looked a little bit better (I've watched each game). Also, I know it's a bit of a pain, but in the future these should really be posted in a way that makes it super clear which team trades what w/o us having to go research it. So, Heat Trades: blah blah blah Heat Receives: blah blah blah Total Salary In: Total Salary Out: Repeat for the other two teams. Really, would be nice if this trade was modified to show it in that way...although Ruben and Glenn have broken it down a bit already. Changed the layout. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 9, 2013 16:47:23 GMT
Thanks guys! Just makes it super clear and doesn't hide anything.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jan 9, 2013 17:15:28 GMT
This. I think the fact that I'm taking Haywood can't be ignored. I'm basically killing any financial flexibility in the future and Miami is dumping a poisonous contract. The problem is Haywood is much more poisonous to you than he is to Miami for the reasons I gave in my 1st post. Even if you remove Haywood and Bosh from the equation, Miami would still have $44M committed to only Lebron and Wade in 3 seasons from now giving them very little cap flexibility. |
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Post by Alex English on Jan 9, 2013 18:15:52 GMT
This. I think the fact that I'm taking Haywood can't be ignored. I'm basically killing any financial flexibility in the future and Miami is dumping a poisonous contract. The problem is Haywood is much more poisonous to you than he is to Miami for the reasons I gave in my 1st post. Even if you remove Haywood and Bosh from the equation, Miami would still have $44M committed to only Lebron and Wade in 3 seasons from now giving them very little cap flexibility. That's true, but it is meaningless to me. Miami's cap situation is completely irrelevant to my ability to improve my team. Obviously committee members will take it into consideration but that's my response to the idea that I'm getting a much better deal than the other two teams here. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 9, 2013 20:38:11 GMT
I'm kinda surprised that Indiana and Miami want to do this deal.
I don't think it's enough to reject. I think at some point we have to let Miami move one of his big 3 even if it makes absolutely no sense for his team, he's proven he's a GM who's going to stick around and that's enough for me.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jan 9, 2013 21:41:23 GMT
I'm kinda surprised that Indiana and Miami want to do this deal. Pacers GM have been offering Amare for the past 2 weeks. His contract looks pretty bad right now. I don´t know if i would add a 1st to get rid of him but Jefferson has more value than Amare for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 23:21:37 GMT
Personally, I like the move for Miami because a healthy Amare is 30,000 times the player Chris Bosh will ever be.
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Post by Alex English on Jan 9, 2013 23:54:27 GMT
I'm kinda surprised that Indiana and Miami want to do this deal. I don't think it's enough to reject. I think at some point we have to let Miami move one of his big 3 even if it makes absolutely no sense for his team, he's proven he's a GM who's going to stick around and that's enough for me. So is that one accept? |
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Post by Jackie Moon on Jan 10, 2013 0:14:49 GMT
Personally, I like the move for Miami because a healthy Amare is 30,000 times the player Chris Bosh will ever be. In their primes, I think they are pretty comparable in talent (Amare being WAAAY more explosive though). Amare will never be the player he once was, but Bosh will never be the player he was in TOR either. I think Amares injury was worse than we were led to believe, the Knicks literally tried to give him away in the off season and no one would bite. |
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jan 10, 2013 1:25:42 GMT
Amare will never be the player he once was, but Bosh will never be the player he was in TOR either. Bosh is doing amazingly well this season. Sure, he doesn´t score as much but his shooting %s are great. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 10, 2013 2:44:03 GMT
Damn, Denver flipped Gortat for Bosh.
Only team this is iffy for is Miami, but I'll accept.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 10, 2013 3:56:34 GMT
To the Miami Heat: 87 Amar'e Stoudemire - $19,948,799 - $21,679,893 - $23,410,988 73 Bill Walker - $1,500,000 64 Lance Stephenson - $915,243 - $981,349 Dahntay Jones' contract - $2,900,000 Matt Carroll's contract - $3,500,000 IND 2013 1st round pick DEN 2013 1st round pick Miami Heat Send: 88 Chris Bosh - $17,545,000 - $19,067,500 - $20,590,000 - $22,112,50074 Brendan Haywood - $8,349,000 - $9,073,500 - $9,798,000 - $10,522,500 Total out: $25,894,000 Total in: $28,764,042 To the Indiana Pacers: 84 Al Jefferson - $15,000,000 70 Johan Petro - $3,500,000 Indiana Pacers Send: 87 Amar'e Stoudemire - $19,948,799 - $21,679,893 - $23,410,988 73 Bill Walker - $1,500,000 IND 2013 1st round pick Total out: $21,448,799 Total in: $18,500,000 To the Denver Nuggets: 88 Chris Bosh - $17,545,000 - $19,067,500 - $20,590,000 - $22,112,50074 Brendan Haywood - $8,349,000 - $9,073,500 - $9,798,000 - $10,522,500 Denver Nuggets Send: 84 Al Jefferson - $15,000,000 70 Johan Petro - $3,500,000 64 Lance Stephenson - $915,243 - $981,349 Dahntay Jones' contract - $2,900,000 Matt Carroll's contract - $3,500,000 DEN 2013 1st round pick Total out: $25,815,243 Total in: $25,894,000 Well, I've looked it over, things look pretty clear and overall, not too bad anywhere that I can see. Bosh for Amar'e wouldn't be fair, but Heat gets rid of Haywood (Ruben, I agree with your comments, but it's still a lot of money paid to a player with a rating at 74 that isn't likely to go up, may even go down, in the future). Heat also gets a useful young player (Walker), and another useful youngster, Stephenson, who should be rated a bit higher...AND 2 1sts, even if they won't be great, it's still some value. Jefferson for Amar'e and the 1st, basically...I see why Indiana does this...gets rid of the longer contract, gets a player who is probably as good or better than the current Amar'e...though Amar'e could get it together again. Al Jeff and a 1st and a decent youngster for Bosh and the bad Haywood contract...really, it's OK by me, not enough to reject anything. Overall, on the trade, I see nothing to reject it...closest thing is it's probably pretty unrealistic for the Heat to take on Amar'e by trading Bosh, in any way shape or form. But, he's still a big name who could theoretically work with LeBron just as well as Bosh does...so.. I'll Accept. |
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jan 10, 2013 7:32:48 GMT
wel i think Amare is better than bosh IRL. amare just had some injuries in his time and i think he is a better scorer and a better player than Bosh. and if you think about the Haywood Contract i basically dumped him for role players and future picks, if that 9m-10m contract of Haywood stays with me longer, i may end up not having MLE because i'll be over the Cap in the future, and btw i watched Amare play, he is getting Better each day. unlike bosh who is only the 3rd option IRL.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jan 10, 2013 7:34:34 GMT
Personally, I like the move for Miami because a healthy Amare is 30,000 times the player Chris Bosh will ever be. i agree  |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jan 10, 2013 15:24:17 GMT
After given some more thought, I'll accept the deal. Good job on your discussions fellas.
Accept
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 10, 2013 15:42:11 GMT
I'm kinda surprised that Indiana and Miami want to do this deal. I don't think it's enough to reject. I think at some point we have to let Miami move one of his big 3 even if it makes absolutely no sense for his team, he's proven he's a GM who's going to stick around and that's enough for me. So is that one accept? Yep, I accept. |
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jan 10, 2013 15:48:43 GMT
finally! an accepted trade.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jan 10, 2013 17:07:05 GMT
finally! an accepted trade. Will you go crazy if Amare keeps getting 10 points and 2 rebounds per game? ;D  He probably will improve but he might not. One thing for sure is that Knicks have been fine without him and they will bench him if they have to. Lebron is still a king with no ring in D5 and his most recent picture proves that he is not happy:  |
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Post by Alex English on Jan 10, 2013 17:32:47 GMT
So who wants Brendan Haywood?
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jan 10, 2013 18:30:04 GMT
So who wants Brendan Haywood? Having Haywood only made sense for Miami. For every other team it is the worst nightmare. ;D Since he was bought out in real life there is no chance of him playing more (in real life) to increase to increase his trade value. |
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Denver Nuggets
Miami Heat
Minnesota Timberwolves
Boston Celtics
Brooklyn Nets
He probably will improve but he might not. One thing for sure is that Knicks have been fine without him and they will bench him if they have to.